With the second option, are we talking about the group sites or links to mediafire where it is?

Inevitably, the argument will be brought down to what is and isn't considered loli/shota-con.
I myself, don't read any of it myself, but removing the genres and series information, may be unnecessary, and will probably remove several miscategorized and well liked series.
You should be able to remove the third party links alone and still argue to be a database website.
Anyway, good luck to us all.

Well i find that most ecchi series have a smaller girl and i dont think those should be gone however any hentai lolicon manga should be removed because its the closest thing to child porn and i think that that could be the reason for removal of adds. if it is a choice between loosing ad revenue and loosing the child porn hentai, i would get rid of the lolicon any day of the week

This issue does put Baka-updates in a tight position. On one hand, if you all choose to keep the info... it'd be seen in the light of "being fair" and so forth. On the other hand, there's the problem of funding for the servers, part or much of which was previously covered by the funds derived from the ads. =/

And then again... now that I recall from various forums I was looking at, Google Adsense has never been very nice to sites which're non "family-friendly" anyways. This includes "sexually explicit" images, "sexually implied" images as well as discussions concerning topics of violence, sex, etc., etc. It doesn't matter whether that "sensitive information" is provided to minors with some warning or blocked from the search bots. As long as any of it exists on that site, well... good luck with Google Adsense.

And also, there's also the possible problem of too many false clicks originating from 1 IP or something like that.

MU was targeted by google because of a guy(?) posting a blog and emailing google's add people and the sponsors themselves to point out the loli/shota. I don't have the link but found it on one of the stickies on mangafox's forums. He listed mangaupdates in the blog and emails as having "content" on the site and being on the top 1000 list or something along with a lot of others. He claims he didn't want google to shut down websites and control the interweb like it is doing, but to point out what he wanted to so he would feel superior or something. Although anyone with 1/10th of a mind would know where it would/did lead.
In my opinion I say do nothing. This is an information website where one goes to get information. Going to out the way to delete the links to all the groups that have a release under one of these two genres would be sad since most of the groups don't do solely those genres but other non-shota/loli releases. At most maybe not let the release pages not have the "DL" link like how licensed releases go.

I would have to agree. These are not children's lives being exploited; it's just someones drawings on paper. Loli/shota manga isn't going to turn people into pedophiles and/or sex offenders, and it certainly shouldn't be a crime to host these manga genres.

I, personally, don't read these genres; however, some people enjoy them, and I don't see any harm in that. Now, if they had a case that directly linked some loli otaku to a underage rape crime, then maybe they would have reason for concern.

I am not interesting in Lolicon or Shotacon but I think you should keep the info and just remove the links (Just to be on the safe side). Even if the content is illegal, I don't why it's so bad to just keep the info of the content.

I'd prefer that the content be kept from principle.

However, I'd like to make another suggestion. How about disabling cover pages to only loli/shota series? So, we'd still keep the majority of the information on the database but remove some of the objectionable content. Yes, the covers are supposed to be censored, but there are a lot that barely have any.

If something MUST be done, do this and see what happens. Use it as a way to test the waters.

Like yourself, I have no interest in Lolicon or shotacon productions, but as many people believe, I think there should be room for all tastes and interests in the manga (and anime) world. The introduction of the victimless crime that is coming about with these ever-increasing witch-hunts perpetrated by politicians who are masters of the knee-jerk response is already too far down the line of killing intellectual freedom on the net.
It isn't just hentai-type titles which are being targeted anymore either. When mainstream manga such as Negima begin to fall under the hammer then what is left? The people forcing this issue will never stop. If they get their way with this, then next it could be depictions of violence. I can see the eventual end of most manga productions unless this is stopped.
As far as Google is concerned, they have set themselves up as guardians of freedom recently with their stance on China, so to find them using their power to veto sites through means of pulling advertising is very disturbing indeed. The saying goes: 'with great power comes great responsibility'. Well Google has that power, but I'm seeing very little sense of responsibility...

One of the few outspoken critics of this insidious trend of censorship is the author Neil Gaiman - he's been promoting the Comic Book Legal Defense fund and has been touring and giving talks on the subject. Unfortunately, there aren't very many voices out there for freedom, but many sites like L7world (which is the site I suspect may have started all this), which are drowning them out with their inflammatory blogging methods.

These types of articles, branded 'tabloid reporting' in the printed media world and subject to guidelines and laws, are ironically allowed to be published with impunity on the web it seems- benefiting from the freedom they are so eager to bring to an end.

As far as MangaUpdates is concerned, I'm not in a position to comment on what you should do from a financial point of view: if you can't survive without advertising and can't get advertising except through Google then your options are limited. But if you start censoring your own links, then where do you draw the line? Do you just remove the hentai links? Or do you go further and start censoring titles like Negima too? If you do, then what about 12 months down the line when some Southern states politician looking for an easy vote-winner starts shouting about something else you're linking to?

It seems freedom of speech on the internet is being suffocated. I'm from one of the worst-offending Countries in this matter - the UK. We have recently had a draconian e-bill forced through parliament in a late-night session which scares the hell out of me. What can I do about it? Well, an election is coming up in a few weeks and for the first time in as long as I can remember, I'm going to vote. I'll be voting for whoever is against that bill. It may not be much, but I'm doing what I can.

I think you guys should leave everything as is. Like you said you are an information website so many people trust that the information you provide here that they are accurate, reliable and complete. For these reasons alone I say continue the norm and just live off donations.

Personally, i would say remove it all if they have a Hentai tag as well. Leave the non-hentai alone.

woops. forgot to add, But for an information only site, i would say leave them. For now.

Sad it has come to this
=<

Seeing how big and heated this has become, doing nothing doesn't seem like the best move atm. At the same time, completely erasing all the series info relating to shotacon and lolicon is overkill. Removing the download links (i.e. the second poll option) seems to be the sensible thing to do for the foreseeable future, if only for this site to avoid legal trouble and whatnot.

Based on how people are voting, it's understandable why the majority is voting for the "do nothing" option, but it irks me as to how many people don't care about a fairly significant subject...

I'm not big into loli or anything, but I'm worried about where the line will get pushed to later if you purge information about them from the site. I read mangafox had to remove Omamori Himari and Dance in the vampire bund, both series which I'm reading. What if they push to ban those next?
I'd suggest a fifth option for your pole: Have loli and shota automatically filtered on the site, and only have them viewable if the filter is manually turned off in the user CP. That way only people who are looking to find it can, and there shouldn't be any reason to complain.

I don't read these genres but I am against censorship in any form. If mangaupdates removes these type of series' from the website there's no guarantee that someone won't come along and ask that the same thing be done to Hentai and Yaoi, and so on.
Mark things clearly, but don't take anything off.

Personally, I think you should just remove all links to websites hosting these genres, but keep series information. And if that doesn't work, then delete all series and information related to them as well. The reason why is that losing this great site is not worth it. I don't read lolicon or shotacon, but I understand why people are upset about it being banned and even agree with them to a certain extent. However, if you decide to do nothing at all, then there's a huge chance that this site will be no more and all of the links and info for those manga and plenty more will be gone, one way or another.

tl;dr Don't let the good suffer for the bad.

In my opinion, removing information and metadata like MangaUpdates would have to do, is nothing less than censorship. Therefore I vote the site continues as it is. If we let this happen it'll just be the first step, until in the end all that's left are happy happy series with a moral message. We live in a free society and manga doesn't harm anyone. People should realise the difference between fiction and real life already!

Thank you for letting us give our opinion on this.

I don't much care between leaving things as-is or removing links to loli/shotacon sites, but I think removing them from the database entirely is a bad idea. For one thing, there's a lot of stuff that winds up with a lolicon tag, but which doesn't really have anything offensive/overtly sexual in it.

they got to step 2 pretty fast

first was fictional rape then fictional children

I wonder what next yaoi/yuri or gore?

First, I am not a fan of this genre. However, from what I have read this seems to be a 'knee-jerk' reaction to a bigger issue. I would agree to removing pornagraphic material concerning children, however, not all manga is pornagraphic. 'Dance in the Vampire Bund' for example.
In my opinion, I think this site clearly identifies titles that may have content that one would not wish to read and also allows the users to block those genre. I do not see the need to do more.
The only other thing you could consider is making users identify their age and thus limiting access to certain genre. Of course, this does not prevent a user from lying about their age to gain access.
There will always be people out there complaining about something.

Thanks for the news update. Too many sites don't bother involving or even informing its user base of issues about its site.

For myself, the addition of the disclaimer was far enough. An option to be able to turn off disclaimers after the first viewing would be a welcome addition for registered users. Right now it feels like a nagging grandmother is hovering over my shoulder every time I see it pop up. If I wanted a filter, I would have used the user CP. Removing the acknowledgment that the content is legal within the country would also be appreciated. In many cases, it is illegal to read loli, shota, hentai or even yaoi but it should be fine to state the facts about who wrote it, published it, scanlated it, etc.

Removing download links would be a minor inconvenience but it may benefit the scanlation groups as it will likely raise traffic to their sites. Many groups complain that visits to their sites, blogs and channels have steadily declined after all. DDLs tend to change and die so people should spend the three seconds to visit the scanlator sites anyway. If removing the DDLs does not negatively impact traffic to MU too much, I say go for it.

Removing links to the scanlation groups' sites and releases or removing the genres/entries altogether is overboard. MU is an information site. Cutting such info out will leave holes all over related genres, primarily hentai and ecchi series, damaging MU's usability and credibility as a comprehensive manga catalogue. If the site gets turned into Swiss cheese, it wouldn't matter that alarmists have stopped pestering MU because the site would already be dead.

I am not a fan of the default filtering option proposed by crystalsouls. The issue I have with this approach is that it will alienate the anonymous population which for the longest I and many others were a part of. For me, being able to access all the info in the site without logging on is one of the biggest conveniences offered by MU. Keeping the disclaimers and giving people the option to shut them off should be enough. If it is implemented though, I wouldn't lose much sleep over it. At least it will negate the need for those annoying disclaimers.

I think removing the download links are sufficient.

I know that some Shotacon and Lolicon are pretty obvious, and I'm not here to defend any of those. However, I want to point out that I've seen plenty of series where the age of the characters weren't very clear. (The characters looked young, but were supposedly over 18, or in some cases over 20.) My concern is in who will be choosing what is okay and what is not. I think that this is especially important since, in my experience, a manga character's youthful cuteness can be misleading to those who are not used to the unique drawing style that seems to define most Japanese manga artwork such as large eyes, outrageous hairstyles and the use of chibis. To these inexperienced observers most manga and anime characters probably look young, and this is where a majority of the problem lies. Like all artwork, manga drawings are essential left open to interpretation, and as such will always be vulnerable to the harsh critique of those lacking understanding. In the end, no one can prove the people depicted are of legal age or not (since they never existed in the first place), so any series that has any romantic/sexual undertones could find their way into these categories. In my opinion, not only is opening the door for censorship a bad idea, but opening the door for censorship from people who don't even read what they are trying to get rid of (Yeah, I'm talking to you advertisers!) is potentially disastrous.

In one way, I'm not surprised that it has come to this in relation to shotacon and lolicon. But in another way, I am surprised by some of the more active protesters. What surprises me is the fact that people are so unbelievably upset by just one tiny facet of the many controversial, and often graphically depicted, genres and themes in manga.

Though I am not a fan of or advocate for the exploitation of children, I have read some decent stories by decent mangaka who treat their topic with maturity and decency. The same thing goes for controversial story lines such as rape, incest, sexual fetishes and domestic violence. That being said, there's always two sides to an argument. I've also regrettably seen many stories which treat these themes as nothing more than cheap and graphic smut.

Truly, it baffles me that people and corporate sponsors take such offense to minors in sexual situations, but ignore in large the overwhelming amount of other topics that can shock, sicken and horrify the public. This mainly concerns websites such as E-hentai.org which host a variety of sexually explicit manga with graphic representations of things such as rape and S&M to more outlandish and stomach-churning fetishes like scatology.


Well, for me, I have to say that I want people to see it as an all or nothing situation. My opinion? Keep the site the same as it is now, by all means. I've never once been forced into looking at anything I didn't want to see through this site. My only suggestion is that perhaps you could introduce a warning for uninformed readers on the page about the level of graphic content. Let people decide for themselves.

I looked at my 'profile' and saw that my 3rd ranked like is Lolicon.

I think that speaks for itself. I think you should just leave it alone.

And if you do decide to purge all of the material, you are going to have to really look at every series. Not every manga tagged as lolicon/shotacon happen to be adult material.

I'm not fan of those genres at the first place, so if they disappear I couldn't care less, however in my opinion, it's good to have the general information here. In my case, for example, I like to read random manga now and then which gives me the opportunity to find something new, but on the other hand also can get 'wrong'. So, I got used to check the genre in advance and the information hare gave me a warning not to read something quite a few times... you really can't tell what a story to be like just according to a cover and name sometimes.

Shotacon and lolicon are not relevant to my interest in spite of that I deeply respect the people's freedom of will/speech who like these genres, so I think the staff of the site should leave everything the same way as they were in the past.

I say remove the download links. I mean, I don't want this site to be hit in the future. It may seem ok to leave everything as it is now, but who knows the implications it can bring further down the line. I myself wouldn't take such a risk.
If you're just removing the download links, it shouldn't be such a problem to how we use the site. We'd just have to go to the scanlators site, which if anything, is good for them. Also, by taking some sort of action, it shows that we're trying to cooperate, and not just shrugging it off and throwing it back in their faces. Whether the action you take is good enough for them or not..well, it's a gamble either way.
Removing the genres and information is a bit OTT. I don't think such measures need to be taken. Not yet anyway :/

Stand your ground. Right now there's no compelling reason to remove it that I can see. If law enforcement agencies come after you - fair enough - but censoring because of what Google thinks is silly.

I voted to remove the links, as it could potentially remove the problem, but I had another thought that wasn't listed.

Couldn't you just... remove the shotacon and lolicon genres from the database without removing the series themselves? Most "loli" or "shota" series have other redeeming qualities or genres that apply to them, so if you don't advertise them as being lolicon or shotacon, might that get rid of the problem? The reason I bring it up is simply because, where do you draw the line and decide what's a loli/shota series? L7world listed Omamori Himari as an example, but if you're familiar with the series, it's clearly not a loli-focused series. Would REC count as lolicon because Aka looks young? But she's 20, and it's not unrealistic for people to look like that at 20, so that'd just be sexist. Of course, Australia recently banned certain smaller breast sizes from pornography so maybe Aka would be considered a loli by some...

But anyway, that's my thought.

I believe you should do Nothing and leave the site as it is. you made the site as a means for people to locate the manga they wanted, so just sit it out, everything will blow over in about a month or so. you don't have to compromise the site we all love for such a trivial matter.

Just don't display Adsense ads on pages marked loli/shota. Problem solved.

I don't really see how anyone can justify that stuff. Get rid of it all.

so i would only remove DL links to sities like megaupload, mediafire, rapidshare... any1 who is interested in loli or shota can use google or any other search engine to find some group thats translating that genre... so i dont see a point in removing links to groups that they can find easly with just couple more clicks....

To me, and to most people I don't think shotacon/lolicon actually matters that much. I'm more about enjoying a good manga. I therefore vote to remove both the genres. Someone posted earlier a link to a blogg which brings up MU, and it was 2 links that linked to the genre page of loli and shota. If the genres were removed no one could say that MU is specifically categorizing them.
Now is not the time to "stand your ground" and show big daddy how tough and stubborn you are. The future of MU may hang in the balance. You don't need genre to tell you about loli/shota, you can just read the manga itself.

How about moving *all* the porn reporting including shota/lolicon to a separate site? But keep the database shared? It feels as if the hentai stuff is actually flooding the release page to the point where it bloats it and finding the actual manga nuggets get harder. Sifting through new releases only to find a bunch of yaoi is really annoying. It's been bothering me for a couple of months already.

That way this site would remain advertisement friendly.

While I do not agree with the publication of Shotacon and Lolicon manga, it is undeniable that these genres do exist, and as a website that gives information on manga there is no fault in providing information regarding titles of this genre. I believe that confirming the existence of the subject material neither condones nor condemns the material itself. It may further be argued that providing links to groups scanning such material also does not condone nor condemn the material. Google in particular should be no stranger to this line of thinking, considering this is the fundamental property for which their search engine relies.

Given the sensitivity and controversy of the subject, I think information on groups scanning and translating the material should remain, however direct links to their sites should be removed. If a person wishes to access such material, the onus is on them to then manually find the group involved. In this way, MangaUpdates is not directly providing such sites with traffic and cannot be accused of doing so.

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and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

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Perhaps a solution could be reached, simply by separating the site into a hentai/normal database. However, by giving in to these unreasonable demands would be too much. How about I remove your right to worship some fictional character under the subset of religion? How would you feel huh?

I am also no fan of shotacon/lolicon, but I've got one thing to say: There are series that are categorized under these genres, but aren't like that at all. "Blood Alone" is one of them. By the way, it is also my only lolicon-series that I've ever read. So I don't want to say: People who read that stuff are all pedos or perverts. I just don't want to claim that.

Anyways, MangaUpdates shouldn't erase a part of its information. It may be better if there really were a second website for all hentai-stuff or lolicon/shotacon stuff. But whenever I find a name somewhere and want to search for it because I'm absolutely clueless & curious, I want to know which genres it has. So it would be absolutely great if there was a saying a là "If you want to know more about this series which includes the following genres:"", please visit this website, where you will find more information."
Would that be an option?

(I don't have time to read all the comment so if the same was said, sorry for another read <_<)

As one who back in the day studied to become kindergarten teacher, having this profession now and having professional experiences with children I am entirely against children porn.
However i think that trying to erase lolicon/shotacon manga/anime/doujinshi is totally senseless. Priority of people who are making decisions should be in preventing the actual crime (ie adults taking out their sexual frustration on children) instead of trying to ban something that is drawn. Drawn images are exactly that, drawn. (For sake of future generations i hope that in most cases are) Pictures based on imagination and not reality. And that is exactly the was reader will see them. As much as pedophiles as such make me sick i'd rather see them fapping over lolikon manga than do some hunting at neighboring school.
Leave it as it is, at best i could go with what the first comment said (erasing the DDL that can be found here). Going along with this "lets censor the internet and RL" will hurt humanity on the long run. I'm not actually expecting that censors will not happen, the only thing we can do is delay the process.
I guess nobody can really learn anything from out history. Censoring literature happen in the past already, until people snapped and stuff happen. I guess this world really is doomed <_<

Like I've stated before, it's all fiction.
If they start removing lolicon/shotacon, what's next?
Personally, I won't cry if there's none of it, but other people enjoy it and it's their right.

I'm against censorship.
Where does it end?

My opinion is that no action should be taken.
To be on the safe side though, I agree with the link removal - and I vote for that.
At least until things clear out (if they do).
Other than that... MU is an information site.

Won't change anything to remove them unless you removed all adult contents to begin with because it's well known they aren't trying to just ban lolicon only, but any h-mangas that seem to involve underage characters.

I think you should leave things as they are, this is an information site afterall. It is ridiculous to try to censor, as where do you draw the line as to what is or not loli/shota. Im not one for reading loli or shota but if theyve removed 'Kaichou wa maid-sama' because its loli then it appears that i will have read some possibly more than i even realised. Will they then move on to more innocent manga series like 'Lucky star', 'Yotsubato', 'K-ON', 'Mahou Sensei Negima' 'Minami-ki' all having young characters/young looking characters portrayed in them. I can see why they pick up on series like 'Kodomo no Jikan'. but it really does depend on what they will class as having loli or shota in them...
Would just a single character or scene lead to the censors crying out "loli/Shota" to a perfectly decent series?!

I dont see what people have against any type of drawn sex, its not real and no people (or animals in some cases lol) are being hurt. Further more most of the time the characters dont even closely resemble humans. Personally i think normal written stories with these kind of content are worse.

Its not real so why censor it? We dont live in China or something like that, why do we have to censor something that doesnt hurt anyone and isnt real.

Actually, if you wait a little bit the situation may clear itself up. The recent supreme court case in the US probably signals that loli/shota can't be banned within the confines of the US unless it explicitly shows real humans in it (read the case on animal abuse in media). So yeah, google/adsense may be fined if they don't stop doing this soon.

But until then, I totally support a removal of such stuff. Not a big fan anyways, and its really not that big of a loss (how big is it, as a percentage of releases anyways? like less than 5%?)

I am a huge believer of freedom of expression and I am quite happy to just move away from a manga that contains material I am not happy with and let those who appreciate it be, but should we really accept the existence of material with sexually explicit content on kids? When people are exposed to any sort of media for a prolonged period of time, it becomes accepted and part of the norm, so is it really worth risking having people walking around with sexual thoughts about children? Don't we all have a duty as part of the community to protect and preserve the innocence and purity of children? Why should anyone enjoy seeing children used in such a manner?
Not to mention that there are sexual predators who prey on young children and who are very likely using these mangas to fuel their obsession and may well even trigger it.
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I think you should eliminate download links in general. You provide enough information already for a person to be able to download releases as is. Not to mention, a lot of scanlation groups prefer people downloading it from their site anyway. Which is understand since they put the time and effort into releasing it. I figure if you really want to read it, you'll be willing to put the effort into finding it. But, eh, that's just me.

I'm not a lolicon/shotacon fan, but I think we better to leave it as it is. This is an information site, not for dl or anything. If the dl links (whether to the site or to the filehost/torrent) for shotacon/lolicon are taken off, but keep the others, then it's not fair for the others, also there's a chance that other genre will be "a controversial topic" in the future. If you want to take those links off, take them all completely, and remove the option to add the link in the add release info.
Sides, this is a work of fiction. People should see it as it is, there's no guarantee or proofs that by reading a shotacon/lolicon manga, people will get affected and turned to a bunch of pedophiles. Also, there are lots of title that have loli/shota faced adult character.
For those of you who don't care, please think if it's your favorite genre, whether it's shoujo/josei/seinen/yaoi/yuri/etc else.

I'm not a loli/shotacon fan myself, but I do like the fact that I can filter it out from searches and releases. If the genres & titles were removed from the database, what's to say they wouldn't be added back except under different genres? Then I wouldn't be able to filter them out anymore =\

Also, I'm sure there are some titles mislabeled as shota/lolicon that aren't.

Though if this is what is causing the funding issue, then I'm not sure what's best to do.

I think censoring is more apropriate. Loli-Hentai manga is a problem and the less popular it gets, the better, Regular manga sould stay, but be limitted to 18+ or smthn.
This is an information site. And cutting out a chunk of information isn't right. imho

I just wanted to point out that since this debate began, it seems to me that the scanlators have been aware of the controversy and are reducing the number or completely stopping scanning shota/lolicon titles. I certainly hope that we are not pressed into losing an entire genre of storytelling, even if I do not often care for its depictions, but perhaps because of the attention right now a lot of the problem will solve itself. I know that in the US we have enough trouble not having our oversea's purchases examined and if the media is making this a concern, I think that the buying of the genres will decrease dramatically. The point I am making is that the scanners themselves are reducing or excluding these titles so as not to either become prosecuted or to draw unwanted attention to their sites. Perhaps this will remove the pressure of deciding to no longer support shota/lolicon. If the scanners themselves do not feel able to continue in translating the works all of the drawings might eventually be removed from their websites anyway. I do feel that the information should be kept on the website, maybe without the jpgs if it makes everyone so uncomfortable. Still, this is art and storytelling even if it makes people uncomfortable and there is no reason to deny the information being there if it lacks the offending photos. But that is just my opinion. Please keep up the good work and hang in there.

Just a suggestion, Why not make the links members only? or Lolicon/Shotacon members only? or both? Or a check box in your profile to toggle Lolicon/Shotacon on and off. Lots of sites have a mature content option.

i must admit that as i am getting older, i have been drawing back from reading manga. especially yaoi. and i never liked shota/loli. it grosses me the hell out and i was never able to wrap my head around those that called it cute or whatever. its why i pretty much left aarin. that said, i honestly cannot bring myself to tell other people they are wrong for liking fictional things like that, when i like to read stories about people getting killed and beating the crap out of each other.

now, my thought on this is that all links be removed but the information be left up there and we still have the option to filter those titles out on the release page. i cant say how much shota/loli is here as i use the filter option, so i don't know how much work that would be :/

but most importantly i still would like to be able to search for a title and be able to see if it is shota/loli so i can avoid it.

at this point only new comers would be unaware of where to find things and if they (the shota/loli crowd) really feel left out they can make their own database to find releases with links. not to mention the blogs, lj coms, and forums that are already dedicated to it i'm assuming, since there are such things for other genres.

keeping the information, yet removing the links seems like the best compromise to me. people can still be informed, they just have to not be so lazy and copy,paste,search for the actual website.

my question is, for sites that release various genres would they also be in line to have their website links removed?

I don't read either, to be honest, I think they are skeevy. But what pisses me off about this is that people who don't read manga, only say they are "japanese cartoons," are going to think that all manga is kiddie porn.

You people were asking on what to do regarding the Lolicon Shotacon issue, but is there really a need to do anything? Assuming you change something, is it likely to get adsense back to funding this site? If yes, then I definitely suggest you people make some changes, if not then I don't think there's a reason to change anything.

when most manga have characters under the age of adulthood, i wonder which isnt loli or shouta....

I don't believe I'm reading any shotacon/lolicon titles, but completely removing all information of titles in those genres is something I wouldn't want. I could live with just removing the download links though, I suppose.

Well, given that this site is primarily an information site, I don't think the information should be removed--after all, I use this site sometimes to make sure manga isn't loli/shota or hentai/yaoi/yuri/etc. So what I'm saying is, it's important to have information about series from those "garbage" genres, things that really shouldn't exist and that no one should really read, even if only for the sake of identifying them as such, that way they can be avoided. Now, given that lolicon and shotacon are indeed garbage, I see no problem whatsoever removing links to websites that host/scanlate them (and the same for hentai, yaoi, yuri, shounen ai, and shoujo ai, since those are the same kind of garbage). That way, Baka Updates is not expediting the veiwing/downloading of these series (we're really not a download site, anyways), it's only providing information about them. And, this way, if a person so desires to read these things, he/she is able to do so, he/she will just have to do a little more work of his/her own for it. In this way, the blame lies not so much on Baka Updates as on the person him/herself, which I think is fair.
Also, I just wanted to say that I think the policy about explicit images that we have right now is fine the way it is.

If u do ban loli and shota it will only be the beggining. Soon they'll start calling for other stuff to ban.