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A really sad day one of my top favo series one I always look forward too every month.
I hope another group picks it up but I sincerelydoubt it
Damn you Viz.... ~Thanks for destroying what we cherish the most!~ (This is put for people like myself who have a hard time understanding sarcasm, I am being sarcastic)
Well, the story hasn't been very interesting lately, so I guess I'm not too annoyed they've dropped it (i.e I'm not so eager to find out what happens next), and I completely understand the reason why they've done this too.
I buy the volumes from Viz anyway. I'm going to find out what happens in the story one way or another. Viz actually do a decent job on this series, and they release the volumes at a steady rate I recon.
Well whatever. Whether someone else picks it up or not, I don't really care. Someone probably will. It's a popular series.
i buy them too. but i despaired when they made the mistake of calling the first monster that appeared in volume 1 a werewolf when its a troll.
They also made another mistake labeling Moka and a Succubus and Kurumu as a Vampire XD
But they have improved since then. It was a while ago. I'm happy with how the second series is being handled so far, minus the naming of Kokoa and her bat (which they decided to call "batty" but tbh something like that was to be expected lol)
a few years ago, (when onemanga shuts-down due to C&D)
i posted here concering that publisher might launch massive C&D to scanlation teams,
my guess, now is the time?
My only issue is that viz and other companies are charging too much for manga and that is why people are reading online, even though i have around $4000 dollars of manga but still feel cheated out of money.
Hooray for pessimism!
I'm checking out until something worth commenting about comes along, shit's gettin' repetitive.
Right after most of the file lockers have been burned, it was only a matter of time before these notices would begin flying left and right. If they don't put up their own online readers worth a damn though, then all this aggravation they are causing the scanlation community will just be them pissing in the wind.
I agree... They're trying to plug a sinking boat... But it's useless... There's just too much interest in manga nowadays... And me personally... i wouldn't pay for them. o_o It's too expensive for my country. Plus the translations are usually shitty... And they censor stuff. They'll soon realize it's useless to send DMCA letters... Because someone else will pick up rosario very soon i bet
Why inspired by RHS? They didn't drop anything.
Well inspiration IS a pretty weird thing. It comes to You from who knows where and causes either good or bad things.
Either way it's pretty damn obvious that the series WILL be picked up by some other group, if it isn't already.
PS: Good luck Viz. You'll certeinly need it fighting against the "free market".
You do know that they really don't have to warn you, right? The only reason they are doing it is to give you a chance to stop. When they see it's not working they will start sending suing letters out instead and that's when it's going to be really fun in the scanlation community. wooooooooooot
I imagine they'll contact the servers and ISPs first before that happens. It will likely come to this though since MangaFox and the other scumbags pretty much aren't going to stop for anything less if at all. People will not wait a year or more for a censored/butchered tankobon of a series when they know they can get the latest fully translated uncensored chapter in a month, a week and sometimes even a day of release in Japan.
Indeed. I forgot the ISPs and servers...how stupid of me, tehe~
I know that company is in China(mangafox owner company NOEZ) but chinese don't have that fast internet so the servers and ISP must be in places where good net can be found. Which isn't as unlimited as some believe. xD
Dont see why they are going after groups like these that barely make a dime off of instead of a bigwig like MF, would definately set a example and scare alot of people out of their ass
Because they OWN the license to distribute it. Basically, a group is really in the wrong for continuing on a licensed series......they would have to be licensed for distribution of it. Publishers are BUSINESSES, not charity organizations.
The big online readers most likely have also been repeatedly targeted but they simply ignored and adapted. The companies themselves are generally too small and fractured to afford to do much more than send notices and try to get the servers to cut off the readers. By going after the scanlators, they hope to cut off sources for high quality scanlations.
Sadly, this will not stop the worst online readers since it only affects a relatively small percentage allowing them to simply fall back on low quality house translated speed scans if less reputable groups don't do them first. As I said, scanlations will continue one way or another until a real alternative is provided.
some people complain it's too expensive per volume. Though manga in japan's cheap, shipping almost doubles the raw's price lmao. Nothing's better than free, so why not make a free official reader that is low quality/resized and adsupported. But include nice things like color pages inside the physical english volume/handphone charms?
People can always move to reading other unlicensed titles or buy second hand.
lol Shipping costs...in a time of high-speed internet connection. Why is it so hard for them to use said internet to cut out the shipping costs. Sure, it'll have to be produced here(from digital info to paper), but I still assume that would be far cheaper than the over-seas shipping would.
Now that's a proper reaction.
They don't blame other, they clearly state what they do.
RHS should learn from them.
It's sad, but understandable.
Good job until now, guys!!
Shut up hypocrite.
Can I get you to elaborate that or are you just one of those who talks and don't know what they are saying?
1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion.
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings.
I'm sure that PRO never did anything like selling the soul to mangafox like RHS. I'm sure that PRO hates mangafox. I'm sure PRO respect Muda for their actions. So where be your hypocrite?
Said in another langauge: Y U NO?!?!?!?!
Go search for his ass-wipen tissue yourself since you clearly his fan enough, I will not degrading myself to it.
You won't because you can't.
Anyone can spout baseless accusations, but they always turn tail when it comes to bringing proof.
lol really now? having selective memory must be convenient eh?
degrade yourself...is there any degrading left? lulzorwtf
again: Y U NO?!?!
oh my god, I never thought I'd ever see this elementary level insult again- oh wait, it's t1. nevermind.
if you say so buddy.
Still, I'm sorry if you feel offended by I really have to get down to the same level as you otherwise you won't get it.
(If you didn't get it I can start talking in a way you get it again, just say so)
preemptively dropping a series because other groups got a C&D? how is that a proper reaction? RHS did a legally sound action by announcing that they were no longer in violation of the digital millennium copyright act essentially covering their asses. whats wrong with that, i think its the other way around.
The wrong that is that it still goes up on mangafox thus they still get their money from mangafox^^
The proper reaction is that they don't want to receive threats, not C&D, but legal threats that could instead also be a letter of suing them. After all they don't really have to give a warning, they are just being nice to do so.
I our field of "work" is to promote manga.
If the publisher, be it japanese or english, doesn't want that, it's not our place to protest.
They're the rightful owners of the work. We have to comply.
I told ya so but noooooo ya didn't wanna listen to T1, you rather read manga at mangafox...now have fun Muahahhahahah
Oh anyway respect to the group to see the future ahead of them and taking sensible decision without caring a shit about leechers who just want the next chapter.
Because you're so important.
And you're so much more important, yeah
I like it when people tell me I'm important and that world can't exist without me, it makes me feel....special. Thanks people, thanks
PRO, stop telling him that he's important...he's not. Heck, I don't even know who the heck he is >.>
Who are you again?
Nekomimilolisworddancer >> God.
Nice to meet ya~
Because internet self-esteem is everything in this world, yeah.
"I can read MOON"
Indeed, you get one interweb cookie with white stuff
Now don't just eat it in one go.
"I can read moonspeak too"
at the end of the day i can't get too upset that Viz is putting its foot down. People on this site often forget that scanlations are illegal. Yes, it sucks that it's going to get harder to read our favorite manga, but from a business standpoint Viz is doing what it should've done a long time ago.
but i don't think this will be the end of scanlations. i think groups are just going to have to be more covert about it.
mb if they put more effort into releases and in translations instead of suing people doing a better job than them without any pay...
And once again it goes back to.......they need to be shown it's worth the investment. And also that doesn't matter worth a damn. The one who owns the license has the right to make the call.
It's sad when i prefer to watch the fansub version of a funimation "licensed" anime even after buying the anime because the translation was just so horrid and the dub was worse... ever since then I never bothered to buy from them again, Not that it isn't "worth investing" it's that they deliberately do a horrible job so that they can save money because of your attitude of "WE HAVE LICENSE WE DO WHAT WE WANT" that people watch/read alternative versions and don't bother buying their horrible translation... same concept with Viz... now I understand it's considered stealing but maybe if they put work into their actual product from the start they would've have gotten such a bad reputation and this would've never occurred
Whatever. This really isn't about what's going on with anime and Funimation though. Similar concept though.
right but my point was if they did solid work from the start the scanlators would've never picked it up the fact they are suing the most respectful scanlator groups is just appalling...
Trust me.....people would have most likely done it anyway.
lolololololollllll at Funimation translations being bad.
Are you serious right now...? Or are you a troll if you are serious you either
A) aren't fluent in english or
B) willfully ignorant that you can't see how badly they translate it in comparison to the fan subs
P.S. just because they make some good doesn't mean they are all good keep that in mind the majority is rather atrocious
Yes, I'm quite serious.
Please tell me why in funimation sub they use "make love to me" when in the fan sub they use "mate with me" *spice and wolf* since she is a wolf clearly the latter fits more and doesn't make you cringe please explain to me why they refuse to translate signs, or why they don't bother to explain jokes... instead of attempting to explain the joke on the side or something they completely destroy the joke or just delete it completely and add their own thing... then the entire meaning behind the conversation is lost... that's just why their subs are bad... don't get me started on the dubs not all dubs are terrible Soul Eater dub i actually prefer in dub than sub but many of their dubs fall apart because of bad script translations. If i had no knowledge of fansub translation quality work then perhaps I would be the same as you and think0" this guy is completely retarded doesn't know what he's talking about" but again i state... willfully ignorant... anyway this has to do with manga and viz not funimation i was just stating the reason why i no longer purchase from funimation and that reason applies to viz
Because you really are stupid. You really don't understand anything. Grasping at straws.
Since you cannot come up with a valid counter argument you call the other person stupid...
fastest way to lose and argument
Grasping at straws.
You two going to go for the "I'm rubber, you're glue" pitch next? Inquiring minds want to know... silly rabbits.
You do understand that traslating any language to another isn't perfect, and not so literal. Your examples for Spice and Wolf show both have the same meaning and feeling. The only thing you're pointing out is taste in choice of words for you. Companies can't always please an individual, but work hard to please a massive amount. If you want it your way, then you're better at Burger King, cause it's not gonna happen how hard you throw a tantrum.
Yeah, I'm finding this amusing. To quote Mark Twain, "The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug."
Biscuit and Scone
Different words......same damn thing.
LMAO. If you say so, fool. If you say so. Viz has made so many bad translation errors, I could write a BOOK on it, especially in the beginning. Why else would they have had to RETRANSLATE several of their series, on TOP of "flopping" them? People were pissed, because they were advertising them as "Flopped and with all-new, better translations!"
Besides, I half think the reason they're bothering to crack down now is because TokyoPop is not cutting into their profit margin any more, whereas scanlation is the new competition.
Also, a scone is not what US-ians consider a 'biscuit.' Or, you've been eating shitty scones. Seriously. That's like saying Rugby is like American Football. No. It's not.
Don't be so ignorant.
I wasn't denying your claim about Viz's translation quality. Was just giving a point as to how different will take meanings differently about words.....and how there are different words and sayings that mean the same thing, only put in different words. It's up to individual preference as to weather or not it's the appropriate word in their own judgement.
As for why they're cutting back more, I think you're partly right about the competition part. scanlation has gotten incredibly larger than it was in the past, when it was simply ignored. And it keeps getting larger. This in effect becomes large competition to those businesses, and not in a legally competitive manner so they can't compete as well. Now that there are more groups (there are some scan groups and online readers) that are taking advantage of this to make profit that costs them even more money.
Basically the threat to the license holders just keeps increasing.
Also, biscuits and scones are the same basic thing. If you try to go by quality.....well there are shitty quality scones and shitty quality biscuits. Not all are the same. And I would never compare Rugby to Football since they are completely different sports.
As I stated before translating one language to another isn't so easy. I still stand by what I say, I'm sure Mark Twain wasn't thinking of how his words would apply in a different language. Many words can be ambiguous and strange to another language and country. Not every translation will be perfect, or match what you expect it to be. A good example of this has to be the puns used in some manga. A good amount of the time a lot of the translators leave notes on how hard it is to get the joke across, plus there are ones that just go over our heads.
Don't get me wrong... I don't dig a crappy translation and being asked to buy it (example Ikkitousen, not a great story overall, but could do without the forced slang). But as I said not an easy job.
I'll agree with you on the retranslating situation, it is a major fail on the company for that.
why r u having discusions over biscuit quality, sports, and mark twain on dmca notices from viz?
For some reasons when people get picky over descriptions to describe things related to a subject most forum threads start to stray in these manners. It's unfortunately common on forums and such.
Yes, yes, yes. Whatever. I don't actually care one way or the other. And translating from one language to another is difficult; this gem goes into the DUH bin. Still, even if translation is difficult, choosing the BEST word is essential. Regardless, this is all (as has been mentioned) "forum" talk, and doesn't effect me in the least, or alter my opinion. And, if there's another LONG whiny comment following me, trying to back up something I REALLY don't care about, well, whatever. I even got called ignorant... which is hilarious, but I can't be bothered to defend because that would take more effort than I care to expend. But, all this is wonderful. It reminds me why I rarely participate in forums anymore. Ha ha ha... such serious opinions are good... keep it up.
you are right i picked the wrong one since in context she wants to have a kid so she isnt lonly she doesnt want him to love her she wants him to "mate with me" so she can have a child and isnt lonly... if i had explained it perhaps then... ill use this as an example from now on
episode 12 season 1 spice and wolf "It's not that not being able to say "see you later" doesn't bother me." i had to re-read that many times to understand it... this is about viz not funimation i have never bought from viz but i was playing devils advocate using my own experience with funimation
I think you're having a tougher time translating into the English language than Funimation is. That's just my opinion though.
It's hard translating from one language to another anyhow. Especially more so between two languages with so many differences between them.
Ah, 'professional' translations . . .
I hope they get their 'new blood,' because they sure as hell are not getting a penny from the old.
Not illegal, but borderline (about as close as one can get). Copy write laws are very confusing, but I've actually consulted a family member who is an attorney. Most scanlations fall through a loophole. That's why a huge company like NOEZ can turn a profit from piracy legitimately. Had SOPA and PIPA passed, that would've be different. If there was any real legal backing to this, Funimation and Viz would have sued YEARS ago. It's not like they'd lose money on lawsuits since companies like NOEZ have plenty to fork over. I already posted this, but it's only the people actively scanning the manga that are breaking the law.
If people find something like this hard to believe, just look up super pac laws dealing with people trying to get elected. If something like that is allowed to happen, then why would the idea of scanlating being pseudo-legal be so absurd?
How were they able to attack One Manga, then? All they did was host the altered images...
nooo, that sucks. Scanlations are going down, usenet providers are also doing the same..how about we go back to that "relay" thing
Well, hope someone will continue translation for rv2 and other continue provide raw for rv2. this way we can still read it even with difficulties
IF U DONT WANT TO PAY FOR LATE BUTCHERED/CENSORED TRANSLATIONS OF THE SERIES THEN U SHOULD DONATE TO THE SCANTLATORS! .... if u r good job...only excuse is u r broke as hell. please dont talk about this like its not yur problem T_T
You still don't get it. There's no need to donate to them.
The thing that has resulted in them coming after scanlators is that we got online manga readers that earn money on the release by having people to click on the pages to read the manga. The readers click to read and the owners of the online readers get money.
Now scanlators has been pissed about it a lot and have tried to get the readers to help support them. Instead of supporting the readers ignored them. The scanlators put watermarks to get the message through and the readers find it whining from the scanlators side. So while the readers and scanlators fights the owners of the online readers wants more money so they make adds that pops up all over the net, making more people to come so they can get more money.
Sounds cool, right? But it's not!
One day companies who make the manga finds the ads and gets angry. Since they can't get hold of online readers atm and sue their asses they go after the scanlators instead. The scanlators are tired of the fighting with the readers who still think they are complaining so they give up by dropping the title or closing the group cuz they don't wanna fight; readers, online readers and manga companies...since it's not worth it.
This all result in readers are screwed.
Manga readers still get money since they got a database full of mangas.
Scanlators get a life n use it productive.
Can you see who lose in this big fight and who wins big by this whole crap?
I don't really see the winner, but I definitely see the losers in it all in the end, namely everybody. International comics like manga, will eventually die if this goes on.
DOES YOU BODY AGREE WITH WHAT VIZ IS DOING? OR NOT!?!?!?
DO YOU AGREE WITH WHAT VIZ IS DOING? OR NOT!?!?!?
Why do people get scared of those companies? They can't do anything, otherwise they would have done so already. Look at NOEZ, a huge Chinese-owned company, who's involved in much more than online aggregators. If publishers wanted to sue, they'd hit that company (since it'd really pay off), but since they host modified images, they found a loophole and therefore can't be touched. People should read copy write laws. It's really only the people actively scanning the manga who could get in trouble. Scanlating rides on the border of legality. Thanks to loopholes and technicalities, people can post series online worry-free. Don't people realize that if they were going to sue, they wouldn't beg people to stop scanning their material and would have done so many years ago. Countless scanlators have done Naruto, Bleach and One Piece, all of which has been licensed in English for years, but none have ever been sued. The three biggest series being pirated despite being licensed and no lawsuits? If they haven't sued for that (and there's been PLENTY of time), they wont sue for anything. Not to mention it's more of a civil matter than criminal since people don't take credit for art and dialogue. The internet is like the exception to the copy write laws in sense. Believe this, when (actually if) the law cracks down on manga and anime, the online readers will be hit first and hardest. It's like the drug dealer chain, but backwards. The scanlators themselves are small timers, even though they produce the "product", and the online readers are like the distributors pushing everyone's "product." Same concept, just backwards.
Actually I read an article about China and Japan talking about getting a deal where they can start hunting those illegal sites in China who put scans up...this means not only mangafox and mangahere but also those chinese scanlations online readers. They started the talks last year so...I guess very soon, eh?
Yeah, that type of government control over the Internet is ONLY in China, and it's not working that well. As long as the Internet remains fluid and cloudy, there will be ways around it. After all, you can't stop the signal...
of course you can...you just think you can't.
If you read a little about the echolon project and how nicely we can traffic and monitor the net you will be surprised how scary the net really is.
And I said that Japan is trying to get China to help them stopping the illegal posting of scanlations....what's wrong with that? O.o Illegal is still illegal. It's like the camera's they are putting up in over here to monitor that people don't do anything wrong cough*bigbrotheriswatchingyou*cough
i read all these comments and the only thing that comes to mind is Shoulda had a V8.
So....I just found out another dude closed his scanlation group xD
Since MU hasn't written about it I'll just post is here:
Manga by Request is stopping scanlation and closing down the blog/group. This is happening to due to lost interesting in scanlating.
Taken from his blog:
"Wish I had some fancy excuse, but I just don't feel like scanslating any more. I'll keep the blog up for another month or two before closing it down."
More information can be gotten from: http://mangabyrequest.blogspot.com/
I have read about this weeks ago, when I was going to make a request (twice).
I wonder why there is no news post for it. Not a big enough group?
yes he was talking about it for a long time but today was the last release. So I think it should be mentioned.
Dude did some nice titles