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|New Poll - Author Pet Peeve
|This week's poll comes from our member nowyat. From the given (limited) list of possible annoyances with authors of manga series, which do you hate the most? And if you have other pet peeves, list them in the comments below! And before you start complaining, there's a reason I seldom have "Other" as an option. Just vote for the best fit with the given options.
You can submit poll ideas here (and try to keep them manga/anime-related):
Previous Poll Results:
Question: Do you tend to prefer mainstream or non-mainstream series?
Mainstream - votes: 764 (5.6%)
Non-mainstream - votes: 2298 (16.8%)
I like them both equally - votes: 6042 (44.2%)
Don't care - votes: 4565 (33.4%)
There were 13669 total votes.
The poll ended: June 16th 2012
Equal wins. Fair enough. And yes, I purposely didn't define what mainstream means. Then there's the people that don't care or pay attention to what's mainstream versus what isn't. And then there's the hipsters.
|Posted by lambchopsil on June 16th 12:52am
Now this is kind of hard to choose, but an "All of the above" option would be too easy. I suppose in the end, despite any other annoyances, I want the author to properly end a series. I can understand if it can't be helped, like the author DIES, or is unable to draw, but I will be pissed if a series I'm following, or love, just up and ends mid way.
Besides that, I hate when authors use the same characters: ADACHI Mitsuru. I swear, he uses the same characters over and over.
yeah this is really hard to choose. I would say these are the ones I see the most often and hate
-Have such similar characters (looks or personality) that you confuse them
-Draw the same faces on different characters in other series
-Discontinue the series (or hiatus)
-Have lots of plot holes
-Have a plot that makes no sense
but the one that I dislike the most is discontinuing the series/hiatus. When the story is good and the mangaka stops, it's so damn frustrating. It's disappointing to see mangakas just give up. If it's not illness or death, I want an ending. I'm ok if there is a date for the hiatus to end but if there isn't, I can't stand it.
the one I care for the least is the art style. Sometimes crappy art doesn't mean crappy story so it's not the worse "pet peeve"
The thing that actually annoys me the most is when the author creates all this chemistry between two character, but nothing happens between them.
Seeing as something like that isn't on the list, I'm gonna go for discontinuing a series or throwing it on hiatus. I know that sometimes it's not the authors fault, but an unfinished story is truly infuriating.
I'm going to second this one. It's so frustrating when it's clear that there's no reason for stuff not to happen between them because the author is trying to drag out the series *cough*PerfectGirlEvolution*cough*
I think the discontinuation/hiatus option is kind of unneccesary, everyone hates when a series they like stops O.o This is actually an interesting poll, but there is already such a bias to the discontinuation/hiatus option that there probably won't be very clear results between the other options...
But that's just my opinion, and I'm being a hypocrite anyway, since I voted discontinuation/hiatus too X(
lol yeah but as you can see, there are other people who chose the other options
actually the one that annoy me the most is, enemy now, later on he/she become your friend,... i mean looookk him/her,... he/she killl most of your friend in the past, and you okay that he/she suddenly come and offer help
How can one annoy me more than the other when they all equally give the drive to drop what I'm reading right from the get-go?
1) Similar characters you can't tell apart
2) Discontinuing it suddenly
3) Copy art and/or story from another author (isn't that plagiarism?)
4) Formulaic piece of poo
5) Nonsensical plot
6) Plot holes everywhere (which may contribute to ^)
7) Art style is crap
Any of that...
I seriousley hate authors who make plot too generic which includes the generic protagonist who have heart of gold and always talk non-sense about friendship and believes that even killing an enemy is not a right thing.
The one who always sprouts about ideal world....
For eg. Naruto
manga. His speech and personality really pisses me off.
Since when is a discontinue the responsibility of the author? The publishers kill a series, if it lacks popularity. Their is a good reason for a hiatus, sickness, lost inspiration, and everyone needs a vacation. Anyway you can't blame them to be later with it as quality needs time.
I'd have to go with author fetishes. For example, IM Dal-Young family complex fetish. Almost all of the series that i have read by this author has main characters with sister/brother complex or mother/father complex.
Basically when a mangaka keeps using same plot devices in different series. Another example would be author of Suzuka. Kimi no iru Machi is basically Suzuka 2.0.
Personnally I hate it when all the characters look the same, because even if the plot is interesting it becomes nearly impossible to read and understand everything just by the art. And then there are authors whose art is so distinct that every single characters from every story look the same. eg.: Hwang Mi Ri. But even then her stories are almost the same thing over and over.
Of course noone likes to have a series discontinued, but then most of the time its not the authors fault, most of the time the publishers end the series because the profit is not enough. And somethimes the authors lost he drive and doesn't know how to continue the storie or as an idea for another story. It's all relative probably the author preferes to end a story just like that instead of watching it decay.
But then Its just my opinion.
Have a plot that makes no sense.
Killing of main chara, same face on different character in other series, disliking art style is ok as long as it has good story and delivered in good way. A plot that makes no senses however, could kill the the story, and at the end, the reader will start to hate not only the plot, but also the art style, because it was a reminder of the horrible story that makes no senses whatsoever.
+ I agree with the -same plot devices in different series- thing. Ex :Watase Yuu. Its basically the same story over and over again. But still, its not as annoying as nonsensical plot.
Kill off the main character - most of the story i read have good reason to kill the character, so i dont feel this is bad. why would people raging on the author just because he dont give the good ending they want but what the story need?
Have such similar characters (looks or personality) that you confuse them - i really really hate them because it make the whole thing confusing. and it is much more aggravating that this phenomenon don't usually occur in shounen series with 50+characters, but with shoujo stories with only three characters where i only need to keep track of them, and they just need to draw both guys with the same look with slightly different hair because the artist thought that is the most beautiful facial feature ever!!!!!
Draw the same faces on different characters in other series - it dont bother me because it's not i read them simultaneously.
Discontinue the series (or hiatus) - it only bring ire when the mangaka have hiatus almost every other chapter (cough,hxh, cough), but it should be understandable most of the way it is not their fault. none want their story never get finished right?
Divert the plot away from the main characters - sometimes its bad, but a good artist can make it work. it depend on the story.
Have characters step out of character - its pretty hateable when the character get thrown the idiot ball or somehow have 'hidden talent' just for plot progression. but even more disgusting is when depraved, sadistic, murderous rapist become a 'lovable rouge' after get beaten and friending the mc. defeat mean friendship my ass.
Copy art or story from another author - i never notice, so it doesn't bother me.
Being too formulaic - cliche done well is still very fun. i hate it when they try to be more edgy and original but the story and characters go all over the place. the pretentiousness is even more laughable.
Have a plot that makes no sense - very very hateful when the author just pull the plot out of his ass. we know when you just winging it, man. it's okay if it is a deliberate trippy manga, but most is just bad writing.
Have lots of plot holes - i think this is the same with the above. i know its hard to plan in advance, but it is not too hard others can do it, right?
Dislike his/her art style - if you dont like the art style, stop reading within the first couple of pages! how hard is that?
the second choice get my vote, but there is some that i feel strongly about, like stated above.
This was very hard because several were my top pet peeves but I had to go with discontinued/or on hiatus. At least if you start a series, especially like me who collects them, I would like to finish it.
The next for me would be have a plot that makes no sense. You're confused and spending too much time trying to make sense instead of enjoying the story.
Plot holes are next for the same reason as the one above.
These two are basically the same so I pair them together. Have such similar characters (looks or personality) that you confuse them and draw the same faces on different characters in other series. I often try to refer back to a series by the same author and get mistaken because characters look alike. It's worst when they are in the same series. Ugh!
I voted for having characters that look the same. I've actually had to stop reading a manga before because I couldn't tell the characters apart, so I couldn't follow the story.
The reason I didn't vote for discontinue or hiatus, even though this annoys me more, is because in the stories I've come across that have been discontinued or put on hiatus it was out of the authors hands. Like if an author gets sick and can't finish the series, or if the series isn't popular enough and the publisher decides to get rid of it. I haven't read a story where the author just decided for no good reason that they just didn't feel like finishing.
Wasn't a pet peeve an annoying trait only you feel totally pissed of by
while others don't care?
Those who actually like plot holes or the discontinue of their beloved series shall step out of the shadows NOW. Might become a really interesting conversation. There might be readers who see sense in plots I see as senseless. That is a problem of definition. But Discontinue.... I really want to see someone who isn't bothered by that. Even worse than that is the axed end I think. But didn't find that choice. I also miss the "Kill off your favorite character" choice. I really hate it then my favorite dies. And I think thats more like a pet peeve then killing of the main.
I saw "plot that makes no sense" and I jumped on the choice immediately.
That's a total manga turn-off to me.
It's also no limited to bad storytelling, but also just too much content, new things to learn, weird system of a fantasy world or whatever. For example, in this new world there's a evil thing called a "Blahxypheria" and the good thing called a "Forablah" and the protagonist is a really a "Meablahblene", etc. etc.
So that's just a big personal turnoff to me, haha.
"For example, in this new world there's a evil thing called a "Blahxypheria" and the good thing called a "Forablah" and the protagonist is a really a "Meablahblene", etc. etc."
That made me laugh but it is SO true. People bring up many more annoyances I never considered. We need a longer poll. ;P Mangas that limp on as multi-volume zombies after the story should have ended are another, yes. (I said when the story diverts from the main characters, because that is super irritating. It's boring but you have to keep reading in case the main characters pop back up for a guest appearance in the stinking sub-plot or it diverts back to the REAL story...)
"Have characters step out of character" when it's for obvious 'sucking up to mainstream readers' reasons. For instance, when a character has a quirky and not 'politically correct' personality,and then starts to behave like a good lil' hero, or (worse) give in fanservice...
For example, I recently read Arachnid
, which had promising characters and a promising plot, and I feel that the protagonist became little miss fanservice completely out of the blue (and let's not talk about the plot). That kind of turnaround (with maybe a bit of editor meddling) usually pisses me off.
the protagonist became little miss fanservice completely out of the blue
I just took a short glance at the cover picture and I think "out of the blue" sounds a bit blind.
I truly hate discontinuing the series. The others were bad as well, but discontinuing the manga is very aggravating.
Discontinuing the series sucks, yes, but what I hate even more is when a series goes on for a while, has hit its good points then continues on with the characters acting all different or strange for no reason or if they have no serious development (like maybe High School Debut for me)
honestly, my pet peeve with authors is putting comedy mixed with drama... it's fine to have banters and witty remarks within the characters, but when someone gets punched in the face and flies to the moon, it ruins the mood of the drama it built up. Another pet Peeve, in a truly dramatic scene, especially in shounen mangas, THEY NEVER LET THE MAIN CHARACTER DIE! or some of the side characters that develop the main. and then they drag the story. e.g. bleach, d-grayman. One of the reasons why i hate... apparently it's so common that one overcomes a huge obstacle and comes out stronger every single time... it doesn't matter if he took a fatal bullet shot to the skull, it doesn't matter if all of a sudden his entire body organs began to fail and fall out of his butt, the author will always make sure they survive just for the sake of continuing the story
Yeah, this is truly hard to choose. Give us some multiple answers option!
Well, of COURSE most people are going to pick the "author drops/puts project on hold" as the worst thing.
What I picked was "Being too formulaic." That's what's going to make me drop a series REALLY quickly.
A lot of those are good choices. Maybe the poll should have been broken up into parts.
@Hanen: Isn't what you describe the very definition of classic shounen? Be totally idealistic, never give up, never die, have screwy comedy? Serious stuff is for the grown-ups.
I totally agree with you. But im saying the message would have that much more impact in a story. Why is shakespeares work still talked about today?
Actually i have chosen "Discontinue the series (or hiatus)" but for me it's even broader, I just hate it when manga ends (at all) of course I hate rushed endings even more but the thing is I always want continuation. I think hiatus is better then ending, especially if hiatus does end eventually.
But actually I do like to other things too:
Have a plot that makes no sense
Copy story from another author
I don't care about art that much but story and plot are very important. If plot doesn't make sense I won't last even few chapters most of the time (well 10% of time i still continue reading because of comedy)
And i don't like when story is copied. Well if characters are all new and only setting is the same then it ok, but if somebody takes characters of the other author then i think that won't do. For example I never read Doujinshi that are based on manga/anime/novel, because I believe that only original author can write stories about those characters. Though if author of the plot is the same then it's ok to reuse characters I think.
But still if it one of last to then I may still read it (rarely but I do), but if manga is discontinued then I 100% won't read it anymore (guess why)
Actually I really like ongoings.
I'll just disregard the discontinued option. I guess I'd go with the plot makes no sense one. Similar characters whom I can't tell apart is second I think. None of these are good to have though, except maybe killing off the main or diverting the plot from them. That doesn't bother if it's done well.
One option I'd add is when author just blatantly go into full exposition mode without even attempting to integrate it into the storytelling.
Y'know I recently started reading Freezing, which suffers from probably most of these options now that I think about it, but the exposition really started bugging me for some reason. One scene literally stops all action mid-fight and cuts to a bystander's inner monologue explaining the powers, (to herself), for a couple pages. Complete with diagrams. I get that it's good information for the reader to have, but come on they're at a school learning this stuff is it that hard to put that in a classroom scene?
As soon as I saw "discontinue the series (or HIATUS)" Berserk and Vagabond immediately came to mind. Awesome stories but those freaking long hiatuses...
I know authors have lives outside of their work but seriously...
My biggest pet peeve is when the author rushes the ending and it just ruined the entire series for me. Hate axed endings!!
On one hand you have the discontinuing/hiatus, which is annoying, but I can sympathize with that because I know that there is stuff going on behind the scenes that we may not know about, like the author getting a Top Priority project, or health issues.
But what grinds my gear more than that is when the author drags on the series with little to no plot development for no beneficial reason. Like you wait patiently for the volume to come out, and there is literally nothing important to make the volume really worth it. And I understand the stories that may have one or two "slow" volumes, but if every. single. one of them is like that and it's clear that there was supposed to be a progression in the plot, that pisses me off. I guess that falls under the plot that makes no sense/plot holes...but really, that should be it's own option as well.
Discontinue the series (or hiatus)
Can this even count as a pet peeve?
very obvious, at least the other pet peeves finish the manga
discontinued or hiatus as pet peeve is very annoying and heartbreaking
like certain author who hiatus his manga then go making a new manga again and again
argh... I like one of his manga but it's hiatus....i give up that it will ever finish
Hmm, wish this was an option:
Where the main character gets so powerful or the story moves on such that the supporting characters become irrelevant and eventually just disappear. A lot of "blah" shonen does this, like Bleach, Id, Yakitate! Japan ... even the venerable DragonBall Z.
I'll give you most of those, but you're way off on Id. Id starts off with an incredibly strong protagonist, and his strength doesn't really change. Even in the beginning, the supporting cast was just there to add some color, not to lend much combat support.
Not much you can do about that with a "rage against the heavens" plot, the main character in those kinds of stories is meant to be a god among men.
A plot that makes no sense.
It's usually "going fancy" gone wrong, when we get the feeling that even the author doesn't know where the fuck does he come up with the stuff. This has to get my vote (aside from discontinued).
Other pet peeves of mine are rushed endings and ridiculous amounts of exposition for jack shit story-wise. Mahou Sensei Negima! Anyone? Specifically during the magic world arc.
My answer for this poll would be all of the above.
But since I can't choose them all, I didn't pick one.
I hate when the author just has random crap popping up magically like 'oh hey! look we have a new villain! And right after we defeated the last one! funny coincidence huh? and look we magically have new powers too!and lets bring in new characters and make the story longer!"
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same here..i would have chosen all of the above..but since i can only pick one...i go with the hiatus...
this is the one that sucks the most....
Now this week's poll is great! The only thing is... could I please choose 'all of the above'? Because they are all equally abhorrent!
I really like the basic idea behind this poll, but some of options create really obvious flaws. How many people enjoy it when their favorite series gets canceled? Or when the plot is full of holes? Or when a plot makes no sense (barring comedy)? The point of a pet peeve is that at least SOME people must be unaffected by it. If 99% of the reading population would be annoyed by it, it's not a pet peeve.
So besides those three, I've got to vote for being too formulaic. I don't know what it is about mainstream manga, but most of it is as trite and cliche as a Hollywood blockbuster. Just like a Hollywood blockbuster, mainstream manga is engineered to be a hit, with the same recycled plots, characters, and lines. It's all about the money, there's no room for vision, voice, or taste.
It's a real shame too, because manga has so much potential for storytelling. It mixes the dynamic movement of a film with the pacing of a novel. But it seems so few authors take full advantage of their medium.
Worst pet peeve with the author [of that list]:
Divert the plot away from the main characters.
Worst pet peeve with the author [in general]:
"Copy art or story from another author" - Why is this part of the poll?
EDIT: Never mind. I think I took it too literally - as in plagiarism.
All of the above
-I hate it when every character has the same face but different hair.
-Plot holes are abundant in most series.
-Long side-stories about a characters background that diverts from main story is annoying. Ex. In One Piece where it went on forever about Ace and Luffy's childhood was stupid as hell.
-Killing off the main character isn't always bad. Makes for a memorable series. Ex. Elfen Lied
-A discontinued series always sucks.
-Copying others works ruins the original (Trace being the original, Trace Perfume is going to suck. I just know it)
-The formulaic is way too detailed and the author shouldn't waste so much time trying to make the characters seem super smart. It's almost like they're trying to show off their own intelligence. Maybe I'm thinking of a different word for formulaic, but I'm pretty sure that's it. Being cryptic is also annoying.
-Plots that make no sense is the essence of manga
Look at Sora no Otoshimono.
-I really don't care for female mangaka's art style. Not all, just most. 80% of manhwa characters have same color scheme and art style.
I can deal with most of this. Killing off the main character? That takes some balls on the author's side; I actually think it usually ups the drama pretty well. Dividing the plot between characters? Good for variation. No plot to speak of? Not necessarily a problem if the setting is comedic enough. None of these points would in itself be a complete contract killer for me to be honest; it can include one or even several flaws and I can still find it readable. It doesn't even have to be a bad thing.
So...I guess what irks me the most, like many others, is the series that are axed/discontinued/put on hiatus. In a good series, I suppose this is always a bad thing...
Most hated are "Plot makes no sense" and "Too many plot holes".
I'm looking at you Bleach.
My worst pet peeve is, in fact, that the authoor almost NEVER take the time to write a good ending for a series. Almost all the times, the ending feels rushed, not really thought of, as if the author was just bored and said "let's just finish this".
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My worst pet peeve is, in fact, that the authoor almost NEVER take the time to write a good ending for a series. Almost all the times, the ending feels rushed, not really thought of, as if the author was just bored and said "let's just finish this".
Finally, someone else thinks like me. Every manga that I've read has either be cut and ended with "and the journey continues" or the story went on so long that the mangaka didn't care anymore and just wrote some terrible chapter that completely ignored all of the character growth that he had worked toward through five hundred chapters.*
*yeah, I'm talking about you Negima.
This is entirely my own opinion and everyone is free to disagree with me, however I have no intention of offending someone with my post, I am sorry if that happens. It is just what I think. Everyone has a different opinion.
Kill off the main character i think this should not be taken as an equal to "the author is bad", because the author kills his character thinking that's the best ending there could be. It is our own interpretations and tastes that make the fact seem something bad.
Have such similar characters (looks or personality) that you confuse them - that certainly might be the cause of irritation. Always trying to guess which one's speaking. At least the clothes might make it easier, and you can guess it with many hints from the flow of the story, but having to do such a brain-wrecking action just to know who's talking/moving etc is too much. Should be considered the failure of the author in his/her try to make a good, original character design for each character. That is, unless the two characters need to be alike, for the story. Such as twins or something like that. (even for those kind of situations, there should be something we could differentiate them with, just the bangs going opposite ways won't do, because manga is not like real life. Depending on the angle of the drawing, some manga-ka change the way the hair goes. For example, when a characters switches from looking to right to left, the hair also changes sides). I have quite a bad memory with this, my friend was drawing a manga with two characters exactly the same, but who had no reason for being the same. And said how I was the only one who knew who was who (I made great efforts. uhh), but I should have realized it was her fault and not mine and I shouldn't be the one to e on her good side. I was always like "hehe, really, it's easy..hehe...why would you mix them...hehe..."
Draw the same faces on different characters in other series - at first it will be confusing and a bit displeasing, but it's not like it's the same character. It's just that the manga-ka wanted to draw them like that because it fits their personality, it's not like they made them similar on purpose. It's not like all authors make different types of eyes and such for every character. Sailor Moon, for example.
Discontinue the series (or hiatus)]
I think a hiatus or discontinuation is not the author's fault. Because these kind of things come with a reason the author can't argue with. For Hiatus - it could be anything. What if the author falls really ill and is hospitalized? If we say "what is this author doing? making us wait? just draw already" then it's like saying we aren't complaining and accept the situation every time the teacher or boss makes us work even though we aren't feeling well or something and does't even care. And for Discontinuation - the author really has nothing to say about that. A series is discontinued when it's not popular/well received enough. The magazine they're drawing for just says "in X chapters, you end this series". And it's not like they can just draw the continuation and publish it as a doujinshi or something, because they don't have the time for that. If they want to continue to try and make it as a successful manga-ka, then they would not have the time to continue the discontinued series, they will surely try and draw something else. Because it's not like money's falling from the sky.
The one thing I can't understand is why people can't accept these situation. I'm more like, I will wait forever for a hiatus to end. I'm not in any position to complain anyway.
Divert the plot away from the main characters - This should be considered good. Developing all your characters is important. If not, they're just there to connect the story when you can't do that without having a character push the story forward. Anyway, many people say "your character has no personality" and in manga contests "Characters" is one of the judged parts of the manga. Well, sometimes if the character annoys me, of course I don't want to read a whole chapter or even 10 about him/her. Even more so when I know the manga-ka's doing this in order to show his/her past and make me like that character. Because, why make me hate him/her and then want me to like him/her. But, in the case when you like the character, you'll be happy to see him/her more, right?XD
Have characters step out of character - Hmmm this could be in a way a side of character development. Authors might want to show that "this character can also make this kind of expression". And I see no one complains when a good for nothing character goes and becomes all cool in order to do something awesome as protecting someone. That's out of the character for me.
Copy art or story from another author - That is inevitable. Everyone has an idol or a preferred subject (like psychology, mystery etc) so it's not like they're doing it on purpose. For example, I like the art of a manga-ka. But maybe I see another manga-ka that resembles this one. It might seem annoying if you don't think enough, but when you go surf the large web, you'll see lots of amateur artists with that kind of art style. Trust me on this. The story? The word "cliche" should exist for this purpose, is it not? If I were to comment on how this author made the same "cultural festival" setting in their story like some other author did, I wouldn't get anywhere.
Of course, doing it on purpose is not good. Like stealing art and such. I have seen these kind of cases, even for real manga-ka. Plagiarism will always be tried when you think you "can do it, so why not do it? Just a little bit from here and there, I like the idea". I hate those kind of things...but some of them can't even fall into a category. Like, is it on purpose or not? Sometimes eve you yourself can't figure out the answer.
Being too formulaic - This depends on tastes. Solely on tastes.That's what I think. (that is, if I got the meaning of the word "formulaic" right, ehe!)
Have a plot that makes no sense - A plot that makes no sense can't be considered annoying anymore. It's more like, a failure as a story. If no one can get what's happening, I wonder how the author made it this far with such a failure of a story. Or maybe it's me who doesn't understand it. For example, if you made me summarize FLCL, I wouldn't be able to do it. For me, that thing was a complete mess and I didn't get anything from it. Not that I tried too much, I hated the characters anyway, all of them annoyed them to the maximum. At least, that's how it was when I watched that anime. Left me with a "bleargh" expression.
Have lots of plot holes - That should be considered annoying. I mean, you've got an editor, at least make the plot holes less. With two minds thinking, or even some friends to help, one should be able to do it. But still, what's impossible remains impossible. It's like making me say what's 1+1 when I haven't learned any math.
Dislike his/her art style - this one, there's no way of curing this. Just a strong mind who can accept anything. Eh, me, for example, although I choose more based on art (shame on me), I don't criticize someone's art. And if the story is interesting, I could care less about art. Also, really bad art won't pass and be made into an official manga. If the art is good, then the style's at fault. And with the style, you can get accustomed. There was this manga, Akuma de Sourou. At first the art looked like "what's this i don't like it!" but at the end I was squealing at how cute the man male character is.
Hmmm so in the end, I think the ones I would be able to get annoyed at would be:
Have such similar characters (looks or personality) that you confuse them
Have a plot that makes no sense
Have lots of plot holes
I think I'm actually stupid for taking this so seriously and writing a whole composition on the topic. sob.
Draw the same faces on different characters in other series : The best example would be Hiro Mashima's Fairy Tail
. Many characters have same design especially the female one. Also you can hardly distinguish between female characters in Fairy Tail especially in the starting
UGH! I hate when the author quits their story, I would prefer a rushed ending to a never will be continued.