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Edit: For the choice "Bad / weak endings", that also includes the series having no ending at all, including being canceled, axed, rushed, hiatus, etc.
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Previous Poll Results:
Question: What is your favorite event of the 2012 Summer Olympics?
Choices:
Archery - votes: 953 (9.1%)
Athletics - votes: 792 (7.6%)
Badminton - votes: 381 (3.7%)
Basketball - votes: 548 (5.3%)
Boxing - votes: 154 (1.5%)
Canoe/Kayak - votes: 107 (1%)
Cycling - votes: 99 (0.9%)
Diving - votes: 396 (3.8%)
Equestrian - votes: 188 (1.8%)
Fencing - votes: 300 (2.9%)
Field Hockey - votes: 69 (0.7%)
Gymnastics - votes: 2307 (22.1%)
Handball - votes: 153 (1.5%)
Judo - votes: 263 (2.5%)
Pentathlon - votes: 47 (0.5%)
Rowing - votes: 71 (0.7%)
Sailing - votes: 41 (0.4%)
Shooting - votes: 140 (1.3%)
Soccer (Football) - votes: 703 (6.7%)
Swimming - votes: 976 (9.4%)
Table Tennis - votes: 151 (1.4%)
Taekwondo - votes: 325 (3.1%)
Tennis - votes: 265 (2.5%)
Triathlon - votes: 46 (0.4%)
Volleyball - votes: 677 (6.5%)
Water Polo - votes: 104 (1%)
Weightlifting - votes: 100 (1%)
Wrestling - votes: 80 (0.8%)
There were 10436 total votes.
The poll ended: August 18th 2012
And gymnastics wins? That was unexpected for me... I will refrain from speculating why people chose that.
Comments (limited to first 100 replies)
» Dionaea on August 18th, 2012, 3:49am
» babel on August 18th, 2012, 5:23am
» J1nSan on August 18th, 2012, 5:29am
Edit: I was also reminded of Air Gear, this series had a lot of potential in the beginning and then eventually became so abstract and pointless and trying to be something extremely unique and different only to fail. The last few chapters were unbearable and here's my rendition of it.
» babel on August 18th, 2012, 5:48am
I think there ARE a few writers out there who really have the big picture in their head when they start, and the determination to put their foot down when it comes to pressures from the publishers, but I think the keyword here is definitely 'few'.
» shinshuu on August 19th, 2012, 6:01pm
» TaoPaiPai on August 18th, 2012, 6:03am
that in time makes it boring
and i drop it
an awful series i read atm is the Elminster series by ed Greenwood
Elminster is this extreamly powerfull wizard who can do pretty much whatever he wants
and if he for some reasons should fail or die...a goddess steps in and resurrects him/helps him
and not only that
he murderers everyone he deems evil...when it would have been better to take out the top in the evil organization since most of the badguys usualy work out of fear and would not have acted in this way if they would have the chance of a diffrent life
and he fucks with all the girls he come across
even his goddess
to name some manga
akumetsu
he is a deranged psycho who hurts ALOT of ppl...even if he have "justice" on his side he just goes overboard
InuYasha have lots of dangerous murderers in the goodguy team
they usualy kill and eat humans but now since they help the good side...they are good
the To Aru novels
accellerator
an evil massmurderer who gets retconned into a good guy...and the goodguys accept him right away
Toriko
a manga about killing and eating [endangered] [nonaggresive] animals for fun
hunterxhunter
have some of this shit going on too
just kill animals for sports
not1 oppose this
bad writing is part of it...but i just cant relate to murderers and those that abuse animals
» shinshuu on August 19th, 2012, 6:07pm
» Sakuya on August 18th, 2012, 6:17am
» licorice on August 18th, 2012, 7:45am
» Nirhtuc on August 18th, 2012, 9:41am
» SinsI on August 18th, 2012, 12:01pm
» pknoctis on August 18th, 2012, 12:26pm
This is why I hate shoujo, not because it's "romance" but because 99% of the MC's are pathetic brainless high school girls who've only got their "dream" of having a boyfriend in mind, and THE WHOLE PLOT IS ABOUT THIS
» shinshuu on August 19th, 2012, 6:14pm
But I must agree I dislike shoujo manga where the main character is a brainless pathetic type that only reason for being in the manga it to cause more trouble.
Good manga need good characters where the reader can relate to and understand. Of course they need to be believable as well.
» thevampirate on August 18th, 2012, 12:59pm
» Darkwap on August 18th, 2012, 1:54pm
If a manga has been axed or rushed the author should at least make the effort to make the ending good, for those that enjoyed the manga. Kagami no Kuni no Harisaguwa perfect example of a bad/weak ending.
Lame main characters are mainly in Harems and fan-service type manga which I don't enjoy at all, so I don't read them. If a manga I read turns into a Harem or goes for random fan-service I tend to drop it. I don't really understand why people really enjoy these types of manga but I guess that's what the majority enjoy.
If a manga has lackluster plot it basically, to me, ain't worth reading. Especially if the plot takes forever to develop.
» shinshuu on August 19th, 2012, 6:20pm
And yes, sometime I don't really understand why some manga is more popular them other when everything about the manga either scheme a typical shounen or shoujo manga. Oh well, the general public prefer mainstream manga, so the author give it to them.
» ashi on August 18th, 2012, 1:59pm
But when you've invested time following a series that's actually pretty good and then you get a lame ass ending, that just pisses me off, and unfortunately weak endings are way too common.
» That3rdGuy on August 18th, 2012, 4:29pm
My inability to relate to any series is expected, especially romances (which is what I mostly read). It takes the character so long to relay how they feel. I dunno though. It's like the Japanese have a whole different set of problems than I do and that reflects in their works. Like I said before, getting a/the girl has never really been a problem for me. Never been bullied (actually was a bully when I was young). And I don't care about keeping promises I made when I was an adolescent The only thing I can think of that's similar off hand is that I don't have many friends (mostly because I screwed their girlfriends...). Can anyone really relate to a series (aside from getting the girl which plagues almost everyone)?
» OtakuMadness on August 18th, 2012, 4:42pm
» MangaGhost on August 18th, 2012, 5:44pm
2. A good story doesn't always have to be "original". It can sometimes just be told really well with interesting characters.
3. Bad drawings can be a turn off for me, but it won't by itself sink a series if the story is really interesting.
4. I haven't found anything that is so complicated that I can't follow. Now I've encountered bad translations that are hard to follow, but that's something else.
5. "Lackluster plot". There are many stories with lousy or weak plots and its a problem in general, but I usually drop those early so its not something that ticks me off as much as the last 2 things:
Weak endings and lame main characters really rub me wrong. I really hate it when a series is rushed at the end and many things are left unfinished because the manga has been axed. I also hate when you have a decent story or its got some cool elements and you have a lame main character. I really get sick and tired of reading the phrase "must save everyone!" or similar trite junk. I also can't stand it when the main character has amnesia and can't remember someone from his past (memory loss must be an epidemic in Japan). Bland and weak male lead who has a ton of gorgeous girls mooning over him because what he's polite? Please! I guess lame characters irritate me more than weak endings, so I voted for that.
» sweetnsour321 on August 18th, 2012, 5:45pm
Endings can either break or make the series.
» deadhoney on August 19th, 2012, 4:11am
Since you gotta read it till the end the series needs to be good from start on.
» Pebble_ on August 19th, 2012, 4:46am
Since you gotta read it till the end the series needs to be good from start on.
Maybe endings can't 'make' the series, but it's what take a good series into absolute awesomeness, or into the category "yeah, that was pretty good, but the ending sucked, so yeah I'm really disappointed..."
» shinshuu on August 19th, 2012, 6:26pm
Is someone successfully make me pay for anything, I would not consider it the be bad, just a bad aftertaste sort of sense. Weakest aspect would have to be those that forces me to drop the book within the first volume of release. This would be lame character since they are out of the main aspect of catching the reader attention.
» Pebble_ on August 20th, 2012, 12:52am
And I wouldn't say that a series is 'bad' just because the ending doesn't measure up --or is downright shitty-- but it does leave, indeed, a bad aftertaste.
'Lame character' and other immediate deal breakers are weakest in the author's or the editor's point of view, but they're not a disappointment, since the series is bad from the start. You read or you don't, but you know what to expect.
However, when a great manga is wasted because of a bad ending, it's a disappointment.
I love to re-read mangas I found most brilliant, and which had the proper closure.
I can't do that when I think the ending is bad because the series is kinda spoiled for me.
So, yep, from a reader point of view, I think bad endings are the worst plague...
» sophie0 on August 19th, 2012, 12:57am
Something else that really bothers me is when the balance between humour and drama is off, or when the drama is treated weirdly/ the pacing is wrong. That's something that happens a lot in shonen ai/yaoi manga, when there is a ~dramatic revelation~ like that the main character's been raped when e was younger or whatnot, and it's all dealt with in two panels, and sometimes there's even a funny moment on the same page. That just makes it impossible for me to care about whatever happened to the character.
» Pebble_ on August 19th, 2012, 2:10am
The other 'bad parts' -- when they're really too much of a annoyance -- make me drop the manga. But bad endings are unforeseeable. They're the real plague... -_-
» nowyat on August 19th, 2012, 2:52am
» deadhoney on August 19th, 2012, 4:10am
» crazyboutcute on August 19th, 2012, 7:42pm
Endings are a major deal-breaker. An overall average story can leave fonder memories with an excellent ending whereas an excellent story with a lousy ending is extremely disappointing and casts a negative light over the parts of the story that were actually good. For example, Full Moon wo Sagashite was an okay read, definitely Tanemura's best work, but the warm ending (despite it's slight dosage of deus ex machina) felt genuine and was quite welcome after bearing with all of the characters and their suffering throughout the series. On the other hand, Akusaga had a huge amount of inertia for a multi-volume plot as well as an excellent villain-protagonist with a lot of room for character development, but at only two volumes, the sudden and rather shallow ending made me feel like the manga's potential was cut off at its prime, leaving me disappointed.
As for being so complicated that it's hard to follow, I feel like this can be subjective based on intelligence and attention span. I love a good, complex manga with three-dimensional characters who drive the plot and are subsequently influenced by it, but series that are ridiculously convoluted to the point where plotholes are more common that potholes after the winter freeze frustrate me to the point of being unable to continue reading. For example, Vampire Knight threw me with its increasingly weird revelations and its growing number of contradictions and inconsistencies, and I dropped it while feeling very confused. Conversely, Pandora Hearts, while initially mildly difficult to try and piece together the overarching plot, continues to introduce new twists that, when regarded in retrospect, tie in perfectly with events that have previously happened, allowing the plot to be tight and consistent as well as pleasingly thought-provoking and psychological.
Bad art is also rather subjective, but I find that if the art is sub-par but the story is well-done, I can thoroughly enjoy a series. Natsume Yuujinchou has sketchy, fairly simple artwork that would be a huge turnoff if the story and characters weren't so engaging and developed. I've actually come to enjoy the artwork for what it is because of the excellent story.
Can't relate to the series is a big determining factor in whether or not I can keep reading a series. If I can't relate to the characters or the situation and I can't form any sort of connection, then I don't see the point in reading. Death Note is my biggest example of this. The story requires the reader to root for one of two characters, Light or L, but neither of them appealed to me because neither was genuinely sympathetic, and both of them were too two-dimensional to feel like authentic human beings, even insane ones. Their mutual sociopathy and their lack of humanity muddled an otherwise sound premise.
TL;DR: All these factors contribute to a very boring manga, but I think lack of originality is the biggest killer for me!
» AceBunneh on August 20th, 2012, 8:31am
» NekoYumiko on August 22nd, 2012, 11:24am
In all the other cases I can drop the manga but unless I read spoilers I'm probably not aware of that a promising manga actually have a weak ending.
» orpheus17 on August 22nd, 2012, 11:51am
"....and the journey continues..." Yeah, that was the whole point of the story. You're telling me that we won't see the end of that journey now?! So, I've wasted hours of my life reading a story that will never truly end?!
» Lanz16 on August 24th, 2012, 4:54am
- Can't relate to the series
(There are few series that I consider that "I can relate to this". Most of the Shounen manga has that problem, until now)
- Uninspiring / lame main characters
(In Shoujo, I hate it when girls portray there as one-sided, pathetic, and worse, martyr lovers >_>. But don't compare it to Kimi Ni Todoke!)
- Lackluster plot
(I usually drop a series when it sense that the plot is too pointless and weak)
I don't have problems with endings, character design, lack of originality, or its-harder-to-follow storyline.
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