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New Poll - Demographic Hate
This week's poll is from xxxTokineko. We don't usually do polls about which you dislike the most, but there's a first time for everything!

You can submit poll ideas here (and try to keep them manga/anime-related)
http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=3903

Previous Poll Results:
Question: Which color Power Ranger (Super Sentai) are you?
Choices:
Blue - votes: 1375 (15.8%)
Red - votes: 1135 (13.1%)
Yellow - votes: 638 (7.3%)
Pink - votes: 1009 (11.6%)
Green - votes: 1053 (12.1%)
Black - votes: 2260 (26%)
White - votes: 1219 (14%)
There were 8689 total votes.
The poll ended: March 2nd 2013

Wow, black won pretty handily. But Blue is my favorite color...
Posted by lambchopsil on March 2nd 7:18am Comments ( 156 )  [ View ]  [ Add ]
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» whitespade on March 2nd, 2013, 12:54am

i put yuri, but i actually dont hate it or even dislike it at all, its just the least kind that i read. i had read about two yuri manga the most. but then, im a girl.

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» Zodiac Prince on March 2nd, 2013, 1:27am

that's understandable. I feel the same way about Yaoi.

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» 0oKat~0 on March 2nd, 2013, 1:39am

Ditto. Don't hate yuri... But I usually just avoid reading it. eyes

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» Zodiac Prince on March 2nd, 2013, 1:28am

hard to say because most of these demographics have invoked my hatred at one point or another, I'd have to say either Josei or Shoujo.

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» giinko on March 2nd, 2013, 1:31am

I guess I'll have to go with hentai, I'm not trying to light the fire of a discussion here (which this topic has great potential of having several of them), but generally it's rather mindless and time-wasting reading those. Even the ones with the highest rates bore me.

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» archknight on March 2nd, 2013, 11:17am

meh... dont think i could ever handle NTR with hentai* like its nothing and boring

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» vietangelix on March 2nd, 2013, 1:39am

I can read all of them except Hentai. Bleh.

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» darkraiders on March 2nd, 2013, 1:39am

Yaoi by far

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» yarn on March 2nd, 2013, 1:46am

I can go for some pretty twisted stuff, but I've tried hentai, and that's WAAAAY too crazy for me. That's why it's called hentai. dead bigrazz

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» calstine on March 2nd, 2013, 1:50am

Another poll with a foregone conclusion; we're obviously running out of good poll topics. Everyone knows yaoi will win this one (or lose it, depending on your point of view).

I voted for hentai, but, well...

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» veve on March 4th, 2013, 6:26am

Great point!

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» Mamsmilk on March 2nd, 2013, 2:12am

Couldn't vote for both shoujo ai and shounen ai, so I went for the latter due to it being
a bit too idealistic. Though yaoi is way more ridiculous than that... Should have
probably voted for that. Shounen ai can be an underlying element that is just a side part
of a story, but yaoi kind of overwrites everything else.

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» Scyfon on March 2nd, 2013, 4:37am

WOW....44.8% against Shounen Ai as I'm typing this. I'm gobsmacked o_o

Quote from Mamsmilk
Couldn't vote for both shoujo ai and shounen ai, so I went for the latter due to it being
a bit too idealistic. Though yaoi is way more ridiculous than that... Should have
probably voted for that. Shounen ai can be an underlying element that is just a side part
of a story, but yaoi kind of overwrites everything else.

Pretty much this for me.

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» CuthienSilmeriel on March 2nd, 2013, 5:06am

Quote from Scyfon
WOW....44.8% against Shounen Ai as I'm typing this. I'm gobsmacked o_o


erm..I think you've got it a little mixed up.
It currently stands at
Shoujo - 8.3%
Shounen - 3.1%
Seinen - 2.8%
Josei - 3%
Shoujo-ai - 2.1%
Shounen-ai -4.8%
Yaoi - 44.3%
Yuri - 11.2%
Hentai - 20.3%

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» Scyfon on March 2nd, 2013, 1:02pm

Quote from CuthienSilmeriel
Quote from Scyfon
WOW....44.8% against Shounen Ai as I'm typing this. I'm gobsmacked o_o


erm..I think you've got it a little mixed up.
It currently stands at
Shoujo - 8.3%
Shounen - 3.1%
Seinen - 2.8%
Josei - 3%
Shoujo-ai - 2.1%
Shounen-ai -4.8%
Yaoi - 44.3%
Yuri - 11.2%
Hentai - 20.3%


LOL whoops~
Posted it late at night haha laugh

Quote from aigaither
@philip72 actually genius I'm a homosexual man, glad to know where you stand on the I.Q. totem pole

He never claimed to know what your gender is or your sexual orientation...

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» Chinmay on March 2nd, 2013, 2:19am

as a guy, i say Shounen ai because... i didn't pick Yaoi because for the most part that is mainly for girls and because of that i have never even peaked at one. but at the start of my manga days i somehow found myself reading Shounen ai and i was like wait wtf is happening. And i did not like where it was heading so i looked at genre and research and then omfg i found out lol.

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» asmageddon on March 2nd, 2013, 2:23am

Wow, every next poll is worse than the last, now this is something. First off, this will be dominated by homophobic guys voting on Shounen Ai or Yaoi, second off, half of the choices aren't demographics but genres, and third off, this is a question that makes no sense. The least you would need would be multiple choice because it's hard to say which is the worst from among the derp trio of Josei, Shoujo and Shounen.

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» jollychick on March 4th, 2013, 8:59pm

I really dislike it when people like you make such general assumptions. Let us take a look at the genre, or in this case demographic, of yaoi. It is a genre for WOMEN, bara is the genre made with men as the target audience. Why on Earth would a regular guy like yaoi?? It makes no sense! Of course the everyday dude would vote one of those two as a "most hated". I voted yaoi as my most hated, as well. Even though this is for women my age, I'm not even going to pick one up. It's basically a shoujo where a large-eyed, (usually) short male has replaced the female lead, so it's not that original anyway.

This is simply a poll asking which is your least favorite genre to read, it's not something that self-righteous losers can use to determine someone's point of view on homosexuality. I personally know a homosexual girl who hates reading yuri because of how "ideal" the coupling seems to her. I guess she's afraid of homosexuals too? FYI, disliking two of the most popular genres of manga, shoujo and shounen, doesn't make you special no.

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» Baniita on March 4th, 2013, 9:35pm

Hahaha.

I didn't realize there were so many people that don't realize that the BL genre--especially with yaoi, is in itself a form of homophobia. XD (Referring to asmageddon) A lot of yaoi that's made purely for yaoi is just PWP smut, and for the longest time I didn't like it either until I took the time to actually look into good works from the genre, and realized wow--there's a whole bunch of underrated stuff that's actually pretty good! Stay away from Junjou Romantica, and look into Kyuugou, where the men actually look like men! (Not that I don't like BL couples that look like lesbians.) Then I was all good.

I believe SOME of the people who voted against yaoi and yuri were homophobic, but for the most part, I don't think they are. They avoid it, but that doesn't necessarily mean they have anything against gays. It's not a determining factor for homophobia, but the problem isn't that, it's in the phrasing of the question that MAKES it sound like homophobia when it's actually not.

HOWEVER, your statement:
Quote
It's basically a shoujo where a large-eyed, (usually) short male has replaced the female lead, so it's not that original anyway.
is not quite true. Many BL couples (read: not enough) have a dynamic that hetero couples can't express--it's not as simple as just replacing the female. It's about standing on more equal ground, whereas male-female couples are mostly "I'll protect you and look after you", male-male couples have more of a partnership, more like, "we'll fight together", and many of us fujoshi prefer that. I could name many that follow the latter dynamic, and that's how BL should ideally be more about.

I do know what you're talking about, though. There are a lot of crap yaoi out there with writhing, girly and crying uke, and it gets really annoying. The rape is asinine. But the genre is getting better! Sort of. Thanks to mangaka like Yoneda Kou, anyway.

I'm pansexual myself, and I completely understand disliking yuri. Most of them are just running around calling each other oneesans, and the most popular titles like Kashimashi and Strawberry Panic are just horrible. Of course, there are a few exceptions, like Morinaga Milk's Girl Friends, which is a much more realistic depiction, and is much better executed, which is why I can't bring myself to hate the genre entirely. GL has potential. Most of them are just going about it the wrong way.

@Jolly: Exactly! Another thing about women. We act all pure and innocent, but we have sex drives too! As for me, I read hentai. I read hentai since I was 11. Though it's not my favourite, I avoided picking it at all costs because I knew most girls would, and I didn't want to act out of hypocrisy. laugh (It feels so weird now to press the "yes I am over 18" option now when it's actually true.)

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» jollychick on March 4th, 2013, 10:49pm

I mentioned that whole "large-eyed" thing because of how much yaoi I've been through. The sheer number of manga I've read is ridiculous, but I've come across many yaoi in the high school sub-genre that was oddly close to the gobs of high school shoujo I've consumed.

Case 1: The hot, popular guy that all the girls want, starts to hang around the short, quite unassuming boy (whom most of the girls overlook).
Case 2: The tall, menacingly quiet, odd ball guy, who like to stare, is always training said gaze on the spunky, loud, shorter, popular guy.
Cases 3 and 4 are usually the reverse of these two.

The same can be said about workplace romances. The yaoi mangas that takes place at an office are very similar to josei.

Case 1: The boss singling out the newbie and taking advantage of his authority.
Case 2: Two colleagues in a relationship, hiding it from the others, hit a rough patch when a superior tries to come between the secret office love birds. The predicament is that they can't tell the intruder to back off because that would expose them and have them risking their jobs.
Case 3: She (or uke he) is the boss and the new, tall, impertinent, puppy-like guy is hitting on them left and right, even in front or their co-workers. Puppy guy invites boss out for drinks and things go too far, changing their personal relationship and work dynamic.

The above are all to familiar in josei and equally as familiar in yaoi.

The idea of the male protecting the female, which seems to be the main flavor of shoujo and the like, is commonly found in yaoi as well. Something like: "seme has control issues and (typically) has more a masculine body, while the uke needs guarding because every guy on the planet wants him for his cuteness" is a plot device that has been beat like a dead donkey. It's more ridiculous when the seme pins the uke against the wall, hands above head...on the floor, hands above head...to a love hotel bed, hands above head...(I think you get the point). They're both guys, even if one is shorter, so they should be a little more evenly matched than that, especially if the uke doesn't want what's being done.

Even the..."intimate" scenes are written to have the uke react like a female, so silly, as you've mentioned. In yaoi, one guy will take an active and domineering approach while the other will, quite naturally, be passive. I get that, but it just seems like if this relationship were to pass for reality, it shouldn't be that cut and dry. A lot of these common elements are present in not only original yaoi stories, but yaoi doujinshi as well.

There's also the rape thing that bothers me. As a romance novel reader, I've often seen the tag dubious consent, but some of the things I've seen in yaoi make me cringe. Not in the "ewww" sorta way, but the "that's the most disturbing thing I've ever seen" kinda way. It's not all of them, but I've seen it enough times to know that it's not something I like or am willing to read.

actually true? You naughty, naughty girl... wink Haha

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» Baniita on March 5th, 2013, 12:10am

Ugh. Been there, done that. Those are heaps of yaoi to avoid.

I also read lots of shoujo (copious amounts of manga, really), mostly for the art or when I'm bored. I rarely ever end up supporting the couple, but the stories are sometimes interesting. Sometimes, rarely, I find a story that really sticks, isn't cliche, and is actually really good. Akuma to Love Song, for one--extremely well written, with a strong, intelligent female lead with actual flaws. People think Skip Beat is overrated, but I don't think so at all. It's a shame I chose shoujo on the poll, but it's not like I had a choice.

A lot of shoujo cliches crossover into BL, yeah. Both genres are evolving for the better, thankfully. There are more and more strong female leads. Kanoko from Warau Kanoko-sama (or Koi Dano, Ai Dano), and other leads, when faced with the cliche of senior girls cornering them on the rooftop, are more often sending the bullies home crying.

Case 5: The delinquent everyone is scared of and talks smack about, and the protag is the only one treated specially and goes near him.

Well, I don't really see as much school life BL being popular anymore... It's all about salarymen and yakuza and older uke right now. (The last one, though, I don't want an older uke who's 30 and looks like he's 17! I want him to look his age, dammit!)

"The idea of the male protecting the female, which seems to be the main flavor of shoujo and the like, is commonly found in yaoi as well. " I know. And I hate them. It's like, if I want to read shoujo manga, I'll read shoujo manga, so keep out of my BL. There's an ongoing trend, however, of uke who actually know how to defend themselves, though. Yakuza uke are often like this, and there's this character in Yume Musubi, Koi Musubi in which the uke is the epitome of cliche in terms of looks--but dear god. Not only did he perform a perfect karate kick on a sexual offender, he pushed down his seme and attempted to top. And lo! He actually has a sex drive! Thank goodness, because I'm absolutely sick of the no-no-no-YES! nonsense (Koisuru Boukun being the exception).

That's because cliche yaoi uke seem to forget their motor functions when they're being attacked, apparently. What. Just--what. You'd think they know how to actually push, right? Of course, there's the excuse that "he secretly wants it" or that "his mind is too muddled to think", but then I'm like--"do you seriously expect me to believe that--they just met."

Still, there are many things with BL that shoujo manga can't satisfy me with. I ship over thirty couples from all sorts of manga, and in 80% of cases, the relationships are overly complex, unorthodox, and can't be defined as "love". It ranges from twisted love to hate-hate relationships, and it's just something that's incredibly hard to find in het. Do you have any idea how hard it is for me to find a SM couple where the top is the masochist, and the other is the sadist, and have it work?

It's not that uncommon. /shrug. Who actually pays attention to the "must be 18" thing anyway.

Back on topic. Hentai is a really wide genre. There's the acceptable, and then there's holy-hell-who-the-frig-would-write-this-abomination. Like Kuso Miso Technique. Or that Hitler one. There's a lot of loli, and it's all very controversial. So that's another issue--people will look and that and straight away think about the disturbing tentacle porn. And then there's Delivery Cinderella, but that's only borderline hentai, and actually pretty good.

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» Allez on March 2nd, 2013, 2:40am

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» CuthienSilmeriel on March 2nd, 2013, 3:56am

Naturally, there are some demographic/genres I read more than others, so it is hard to compare given my very limited experience with hentai or yuri in comparison to shounen or josei. Also, I like manga based on the story and characters, not the demographic, so I tend to read from all demographics, though mainly from the non-sexual ones.

In the end, I chose hentai, because the few I have attempted to read have a plot line and characters as flimsy and 2-dimensional as actual porn, except it is a drawing. Given that real people going at it does nothing for me, it is hardly surprising that I have yet to even finish any hentai that has been recommended to me.

My least favourite non-sexual manga is harder, I dislike a lot of shounen, because it is full of over-done cliches and unnecessary ecchi. I dislike many shoujo manga as well, also because of cliches and the ridiculous girls found in shoujo, whose entire world revolves around a guy, who is usually a d**k. That just annoys me. I prefer shounen to shoujo, because at least fighting is somewhat interesting, unlike make-up. Having said that, there are too many good and bad points in both to really say for certain which annoys me more. Can I just say that I hate bad stories instead?

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» SlyzertVoltrond on March 2nd, 2013, 4:22am

How can anybody hate Hentai? They're truly work of art impo. There's plenty of good stuff out there that cater to your fetishes.

That said, anyone who read Hentai expecting a deep plot or interesting characters or maybe good character development are freaking stupid. Sometimes they might have a semblance of either of those, but they are few and far between. Seriously, the only reason to read them is for the amazingly detailed art of females or perhaps you want to see characters that you like naked and doing naughty things (h-doujinshi). wink

Hentai is Porn, they're meant to be fap and drool over to. smile wink grin They're not meant to be taken seriously, it's therefore very unfair comparing them to normal manga.

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» Nirhtuc on March 5th, 2013, 3:34am

How can anybody hate hentai?? lol. If we're talking fetishes, I guess yaoi totally meets mine!
I consider myself to be a fairly informed hentai disliker because I have read about 6 or 7 widely different but popular hentai manga. I really can't stand the art though, because these things gross me out rather than turn me on:

1. Boobies that fill the whole page- ten times the size of a real female boob (or more), also boy parts that are as big as bulldozers eek
2. Liquids liquids spurting everywhere from all possible bodily orifices... eek
3. Surprising prevalence of beastiality! Whyyy?
4. Women (and sometimes men/boys) that look like preschoolers no

I definitely wouldn't mind seeing sex on every single page if it wasn't for the above factors. I dunno- maybe guys are really into this stuff! roll eyes

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» deadphoenix on March 2nd, 2013, 4:36am

And so, if I see the numbers like they are now, I would say it has some homophobic feeling to it.
How can people chose anyway? I don't think that everyone has read at least five of each demographic, then how can you chose an option?
I would prefer a better chose of words for the manga poll question, the word 'hate' might invoke discriminating ideas.

Wel, I don not like fluffy manga ( manga with more flowers than people, that fluffy stuff). It's difficult to categorize this in a demographic content.

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» haohao229900 on March 2nd, 2013, 6:59am

Quote from chomio
And so, if I see the numbers like they are now, I would say it has some homophobic feeling to it.
How can people chose anyway? I don't think that everyone has read at least five of each demographic, then how can you chose an option?
I would prefer a better chose of words for the manga poll question ...


I agree with what was said here, its hard and unfair for people to choose without getting to at least know the demographic well enough to hate it. 'Hate' is too strong a word for something that you are not well aware of. i.e. I can say that I've read at least 5 of each of these demographic(with the exception of Shoujo ai and Yuri), and although I avoid Yuri, I didn't vote for it just because I avoided it.

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» FormX on March 2nd, 2013, 4:39am

This poll will go this way:

- heterosexual (not necessarily homophobic) males/females will vote for yaoi/yuri
- people who consider themselves readers/intellectuals will vote for hentai
- the rest will vote for what they actually hate

pretty much.

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» Seraphic Mist on March 7th, 2013, 10:43pm

Quote from FormX
This poll will go this way:

- heterosexual (not necessarily homophobic) males/females will vote for yaoi/yuri
- people who consider themselves readers/intellectuals will vote for hentai
- the rest will vote for what they actually hate

pretty much.

There's also people who will (correctly) vote against Shoujo, because 99% of it has as much originality as a dog being taught to fetch a stick.

Democracy is a right of the intelligent.

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/9853/soranootoshimonov05 c20s.jpg

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» Ejaz on March 2nd, 2013, 5:52am

How about an option for "None"?

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» ebisu on March 2nd, 2013, 6:59am

I would have picked Kodomo manga, but there is not that option...

I don't really hate any, so picking a "the most hated" proves a bit difficult. If I was asked some years ago I would have gone with yaoi or with josei. I found yaoi unappetizing and josei was just uninteresting, though I've pretty much read a bit of everything at least. There are great manga in every demographic..

I'll go with josei, for being normally weaker (though I know at least one good josei...). Why would you want Josei when you have epic and wonderful shounen seinen? bigrazz

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» tactics on March 2nd, 2013, 7:18am

I went for Yaoi, but only because that's only type of demographic I will never, ever read.
I avoid Shounen Ai, but I have read manga with subtle hints in it before. I'm not a fan, but I don't mind it very very mild, so I thought I'd choose it's worse counterpart which I know I'll avoid like the plague.

I don't read much Josei, but I'd still give it a shot if I found it interesting enough, and I don't mind reading everything else. Yuri is probably one of my fav demographics laugh

Yaoi is just something I wont read. Ever.

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» mizaki2100 on March 2nd, 2013, 7:30am

Hentai. I do read it once in a while but that's the one I hate the most on the list.

After hentai, I'm thinking it would either be Yuri (tolerable enough I guess) or Shounen (dislike most of them).

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» LilyNanami on March 2nd, 2013, 7:58am

I chose Hentai though for me that involves Yuri, Shoujo ai, Shounen ai and Yaoi as well. I really can't stand those. dead

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» strixflash on March 2nd, 2013, 8:35am

I guess I won't select any option. I can't say I dislike a demographic just because I am not the part of target audience.

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» Tananda on March 2nd, 2013, 8:47am

I would have picked shota/loli-con but as there is no such option... hmm..
I can't really say I HATE any of them, some things just hold no interest for me.

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» mangum44 on March 2nd, 2013, 9:10am

This poll is terrible, and even more so for the lack of a "None" option. Shame on everyone involved.

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» TRMshadow on March 2nd, 2013, 9:27am

Pretty bad poll seeing as there's a lot of good in every demographic.

Also, I am really saddened by the hentai hate. Yes, a lot of hentai out there is terrible, but read anything by Homunculus, Osuzu Akiomi, Yuuki Homura, or anything else from the handful of GOOD vanilla mangaka out there and you'll see why there's such a love for the genre.

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» dosetsu on March 2nd, 2013, 9:31am

Weird poll, since you can't hate what you don't even pay attention to.

Here's the deal, I hate everything. Out of the three demographics that I actually read/pay attention to, I hate them all. I hate seinen when it isn't interesting, I hate josei when it isn't interesting and I definitely hate shonen when it isn't interesting.

But more importantly, I hate the webtoon genre. I hate it with a passion. I hate it even more as each day passes since I can't filter it out.

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» luminousbrink on March 2nd, 2013, 10:01am

what a surprise, everyone hates yaoi. Although I can see why.

I read yaoi but only the good yaoi (which is hard to find anyway)

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» aigaither on March 2nd, 2013, 10:43am

Hentai, because it so discriminatory against women; also for those homophobic people who voted against yaoi or shonen ai I only have this to say: if the world had more love in it, it would be a better place for us all, u included

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» philip72 on March 2nd, 2013, 11:36am

Lol, hypocrite.

Yaoi is full of allegorical sexist tropes and misogynistic behavior acted out by genderless looking men. The whole seme and uke bit is an asexual reenactment of male sexual domination over women.

In addition, if you're female, the I guarantee your interest in yaoi is of a purely purient nature; and to talk about hentai the way you did is the height of hypocrisy.

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» loveppears on March 3rd, 2013, 11:28pm

@phillip

As someone that (somewhat shamefully) reads Yaoi, i cannot really argue with your points.
In fact, not only is there a lot of misogyny, there is actually a lot of homophobia from what I've seen. How ironic, right? i can't even count the amount of yaoi mangas I have read where the freaking SEME OR UKE (or both!) says "ewww homos yuck, that's disgusting. i love u though because i'm in love with you for some reason" roll eyes

also, the whole "straight guy magically turned gay" thing creeps the hell out of me. then again that probably should be a ~hot fantasy~ for me since im a gay male and all. confused

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» jollychick on March 4th, 2013, 9:14pm

YOU are my hero laugh! This is exactly my sentiment on yaoi. I was shocked at all the "girl-hating" and, strangely enough, "homosexual-hating" going on in that genre. The domination thing that you mentioned...whew! What's really disturbing is how many titles in the yaoi genre use some form of force to get the uke to go along with the relationship. Amazing that some people who've never read it can so easily call out a flaw in others for disliking it.

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» Cherelle Ashlee on March 2nd, 2013, 11:26am

LOL I knew Yaoi would have been leading. However, the only genre I don't read that much is Shoujo Ai and Yuri but I don't hate it. Its my least favorite, I would rather read a good Yaoi than Yuri any day :3.

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» philip72 on March 2nd, 2013, 11:37am

That's because you're a heterosexual girl. Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

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» Cherelle Ashlee on March 2nd, 2013, 1:59pm

Quote from philip72
That's because you're a heterosexual girl. Thanks for pointing out the obvious.


Yes, because your that intelligent enough to be able to justify my sexual orientation based on the few words I've said. Thanks.

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» philip72 on March 2nd, 2013, 5:00pm

Well it's blatantly obvious.

You say you have a strong dislike of lesbian themes, but you love watching/reading about handsome young men humping each other.
If you were bi or lesbian, you wouldn't be so averse to yuri.
And (with the exception of tranny strippers) Cherelle Ashlee is definitely a female moniker.

So by process of elimination, based on the few words you've said. I'm confident you're a heterosexual female.

And you're welcome.

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» Cherelle Ashlee on March 2nd, 2013, 11:04pm

Quote from philip72
Well it's blatantly obvious.

You say you have a strong dislike of lesbian themes, but you love watching/reading about handsome young men humping each other.
If you were bi or lesbian, you wouldn't be so averse to yuri.
And (with the exception of tranny strippers) Cherelle Ashlee is definitely a ...


Actually, I've said that its my least favorite, which in actuality means that I do read Yuri.Quite a few actually, never have I once said that I strongly detest them.


Also, P.S: We get it, you hate yaoi and you've already came to the conclusion that only "heterosexual girls" read them. You don't have to start an argument just to justify your own opinion.



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» AceBunneh on March 2nd, 2013, 11:50am

Hm..... I voted for yaoi because when it comes to yaoi I mostly just find smut.
At least hentai doesn't present it self as having a plot, and sometimes it actually does have a plot and can be interesting...
Smut on the other hand not so much...

All the same, there is good yaoi too, and honestly I read everything. I don't really hate any genre. x]]

Lastly, if anyone thinks that a genre discriminates and stereotypes against a group (men, women, homosexuals, etc..) then you're a complete hypocrite because you are stereotyping a genre. You can claim it doesn't hurt anyone, but it can spread ignorance and hurt a demographic which could lead to a decline for them, and hurt people financially. Moreover a decline in a demographic could also hurt it's loyal fans and followers, which would hurt emotionally also because of the loss of something loved.

Any who.. I think that's all I have to say. >.>; I'm probably going to go lurk elsewhere now.

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» kurokaze on March 2nd, 2013, 12:28pm

shy I'm back after a long absence.

I have to agree with a lot of people who commented that the word "hate" a bit too much/ strong for this poll. Also it was kind of pointless in my opinion since it's kind of obvious yaoi would be "it".

Now as for me i didn't vote just hit the view button, since I don't hate any of the choices. If it had been which i read the least of it would be yaoi, now don't get me wrong plenty of times i've been attracted to the title and/ or plot but the idea of seeing two guys going at it keeps me away.

Now for those who would imply that doing such a thing is homophobic are just haters trying to start arguments. I mean common if i were homophobic i wouldn't be willing to read much less enjoy yuri since it also involves same gender sexual intercourse.

And last how can anyone hate Hentai. I mean Hentai is awesome and certainly better than porn, you don't have to get annoyed at the non-acting skill you find in porn. Though it is thru that no one watches porn for the acting but still I try to watch porn and get irritated/ annoyed with the acting and stop watching it. And most of the drawn characters are hotter than most porn stars out there.

So those were my two cents

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» aigaither on March 2nd, 2013, 12:55pm

@philip72 actually genius I'm a homosexual man, glad to know where you stand on the I.Q. totem pole

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» PansyWansyLinsy on March 2nd, 2013, 1:02pm

Well as usual, the poll question could have used a bit of tweaking. Instead of hate, I'm sure a phrase better suited for this subject would have been least likely to read, dislike, or unappealing. And the choices could have been better thought out, as some have all ready mentioned. If that had been the case and certain other genres were to be included, then I'm sure shota/loli-con would have gotten its fair share of votes too.

As for me, I voted hentai for very obvious reasons. It's not a knee-jerk reaction as I have read (if you can call it reading) some of them. Shoujo ai and yuri would have probably followed, but it's not a "hate" reaction for these two genres, just that I find the subject matter unappealing.

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» deadhoney on March 5th, 2013, 6:53am

If they had used "dislike" or "the least likely to read" there wouldn't be as many answers.
I didn't read everything but there are several frictions concerning homophobia already -------so using the term hate isn't that bad. It provokes answers. Be it, to tone the own vote down, to explain the own point of view or the to do the most human thing there is: poke on other people statements.

I picked Hentai for it is the genre outsiders tend to judge us by. And I really don't like having to explain people that reading manga does not necessarily mean having a tentacle fetish or being a pedophile or anything like that.

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» Damnedman on March 2nd, 2013, 1:32pm

Voting for yaoi is like beating a dead horse, but that's the only genre that I actually could not finish even one story. I was under the impression that there's a more or less even split between guys and girls on this site, so why is there so much more hate (more than the other top 3 combined)? I expected yuri and hentai combined to have around the same amount of votes.

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» calstine on March 3rd, 2013, 9:39am

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Voting for yaoi is like beating a dead horse, but that's the only genre that I actually could not finish even one story. I was under the impression that there's a more or less even split between guys and girls on this site, so why is there so much more hate (more than the other top 3 combined)? I ex ...


Actually, that's a common misconception: while the target audience for BL is most definitely heterosexual and bisexual women, I doubt most straight or bi women read yaoi / shounen-ai: why should they when there's so much het romance with better plots / art / characterisation? Only a small potion of heterosexual and bisexual women like BL, all heterosexual men dislike it, and imo quite a few homosexual and bisexual men must have voted against it too, since BL is likely too flowery and female-oriented and romanticised for their tastes.

A lot of heterosexual and bisexual men like hentai; and even if they don't, they still dislike BL more, so they'll vote for that. Ditto for straight and bi women - though I think almost all the votes against hentai must have been cast by the girls, simply because a lot of hentai is obviously male-oriented and of the "average (or ugly) guy gets ravished by / gets to ravish a smoking hot F-cup girl" variety.

As for yuri... Female homosexuality simply doesn't seem to raise as much controversy as its male equivalent; though why, I can't really say. Probably because people seem to think of it as more innocent and "pure" and romantic and "stemming from true love and not the blind lust you find between two men."

As for the accusations of homophobia... Let's face it: most living creatures (humans not excluded) are predisposed to dislike/mistrust/be fearful of things that aren't like them. And since the majority of the world population - the Mangaupdates community obviously included - is heterosexual, homophobia is a given. As long as it's not physically acted upon and is merely inside people's heads / on forums / in the form of poll results, there's not much anyone can - or even should - do about it.

Which brings me to my previous point: this poll is pointless, since anyone with any sense can guess the result. But I suppose I can't really talk because I haven't come up with any good ideas for a poll either laugh

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» Sari90 on March 5th, 2013, 3:04pm

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Let's face it: most living creatures (humans not excluded) are predisposed to dislike/mistrust/be fearful of things that aren't like them. And since the majority of the world population - the Mangaupdates community obviously included - is heterosexual, homophobia is a given.


You know, it's funny how only humans are homophobic though. Most other living creatures aren't. Just because you are heterosexual doesn't mean you have to be fearful of or hate homosexuals.

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Probably because people seem to think of it as more innocent and "pure" and romantic and "stemming from true love and not the blind lust you find between two men."


Lol, I doubt this is the reason. It's more acceptable because it's two females, period. There are more men who are into manga and there are more men on here. Plus the lesbian and bisexual women.

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» BlackOrion on March 5th, 2013, 3:32pm

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You know, it's funny how only humans are homophobic though. Most other living creatures aren't. Just because you are heterosexual doesn't mean you have to be fearful of or hate homosexuals.

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Probably because people seem to think of it as more innocent and "pure" and romantic and "stemm ...


It's quite clear you miss read what he wrote, "things that are not like them" =/= "Gay", it's not that in nature there are no "homophobic" animals, it's just that animals are much less likely to live and let live than humans, if it is natural for them to have sex with anything then there is no problem, but in nature if you step outside the line you are killed, just look at the Baboons or any other social Mammal for the mater. Regardless the Homophobia in humans is mostly due to education, males are raised with quite a strong repression in that aspect, something than a human female could hardly understand. If you show people a Girl behaving like a boy we say she is "Tomboyish", if you show a Boy acting like a girl we call him a Faggot (in general) and most likely doubt his sexuality, If a Girl dress as a boy then that's fine, if a Boy dress as a girl he might even be beaten to a pulp... see the difference?

I'm not saying that coming out of the closet is easier to either sex (although in my opinion it is harder for the male) but rather than the limit in exploring a person's sexuality is much more flexible for a woman than for a man so it's understandable that even an Heterosexual male would be sacred of being considered "girly". A clear example is how people accused people who dislike Homosexuals of being Gays themselves, you can literally do nothing or say anything on the matter with out people thinking you are gay in either side of the discussion.


edit: With this i didn't meant that all people that voted Yaoi where males, Yaoi is quite a crappy genre, since it's mostly smut oriented and often lacks story( i'm openly bisexual and voted for it), Hentai too, but it has a much wider field and there are actually some manga that can be classify as hentai and still have a decent history and/or funny plot.

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» train93 on March 2nd, 2013, 1:59pm

I voted for Yaoi. And I can easily explain why.

I kinda dislike Shoujo and Josei, but I did read some good stories from these demographics.
Choosing Shoujo ai or Shounen ai is kinda pointless, because they're just mild versions of Yuri and Yaoi. So it was between Yuri, Yaoi and Hentai. I chose Yaoi because in the other two there are girls at least, but I actually don't read any of them.
I would have chosen Lolicon, though, if there was such an option. I may not like Yaoi, but I hate Lolicon.

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» Pikapu on March 2nd, 2013, 2:01pm

I voted yaoi. No, I am not homophobic. Gay couples are pretty cute IRL. I could go on and on about my stance on gay rights. But that's not the point. It's not that I hate yaoi. Simply put, it's just a genre that I wouldn't be able to and prefer not to read (shounen-ai included).

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So much arguing in this thread. So pointless. ┐( ̄ー ̄)┌

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» Pionfou on March 2nd, 2013, 2:40pm

Hate is such a strong word. I don't think I've ever hated something fictional.

I've wanted to gouge my eyes out over how bad/boring some series are (e.g. SDF Macross) but I still can't say I hated it. I just wish I'd never watched it.

So I have to say the genre I feel most apathetic about is yaoi, although I don't go searching for yuri either (anymore, at one point... although I've gone through lots of phases with really obscure genres).

I guess the thing about yaoi and yuri is that 99% of them are just terrible. They're poorly written romances that would be ignored if not for the fact that they include some kind of shallow idealized homosexual relationships for opposite gender heterosexuals. (I guess for other demographics it'd be closer to something like 95%?)

I'd be perfectly happy to read something like Aoi Hana but yaoi. But I'm long past the point where I'd go read a few dozen series to find one I like.

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» Joentjuh on March 2nd, 2013, 2:41pm

Shounen-ai (and thus also Yaoi), not that I dislike that particular genre, but I dislike the 'culture' that surrounds it. The constant need for stereotyping everything, rarely have I read a shounen-ai manga where the two leading characters are actually 'normal' human males (not extremely top/bottom).

And, of course, Hentai... And even worse (because it's harder to avoid), Ecchi (+Yaoi +Yuri). Many a good manga story are (in my opinion) ruined by the mangakas need to introduce excessive panty-shots, annoying innuendo, perverted male (these days even female) characters, pointless shower/onsen scenes, and (pixelated) sexual acts.

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» Blique on March 2nd, 2013, 3:02pm

I was surprised about yaoi leading by so much, but if it's about the "culture", that's understandable. There's hardly a culture for yuri by comparison...I guess porn is already a norm, so hentai doesn't make as much of an impact on people.

I voted hentai, because based on all the manga I've read, hentai got my lowest ratings on average. Josei was very, very close though.

I think it all depends on which specific manga you read though. Josei has the potential for amazing stories, but most josei manga use and reuse a small amount of that potential, leading readers to think that's the best they can do. Same goes for all of the genres.

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» MewMan on March 2nd, 2013, 3:07pm

Shounen.
I just can't believe that the same shit can keeps appearing and getting axed over and over again.
I don't read Shounen-ai/Yaoi so didn't vote for them.

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» kirabook on March 2nd, 2013, 4:57pm

I'll just quote something that I wrote in "Manga that scarred you for life"

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Didn't know much about manga way back when or what some genre's were.... like yaoi.... one of the first I accidentally read... I quickly found out what NOT to download. >.> *shivers* Never again.... *was so confused and innocent back then* Still.... never again..... *eye twitch* no


I'm a girl and supposedly we're supposed to find yaoi appealing, but it's just as appealing to me as homosexual girls acting that way towards each other or a heterosexual couple acting that way to each other. It's just gross.

I don't read yaoi or yuri (or shounen-ai/shoujo-ai) but back in the day when I first got into manga and didn't know any better or understand what was going on, it seemed to me that a few of the yaoi mangas I read had EVERYONE homosexual and perverted. That's just unrealistic.

I don't mind if in some random shounen or shoujo there are some or a quite a few characters that are actually homosexual. There are homosexual people in this world who are no different than other characters, that's a normal situation that doesn't give me the creeps.

But some yaoi mangas.... it's just too weird. Too much exaggeration. That goes for a majority of hentai too, but there are reasonable hentais out there. (very very very few) Much of the yaoi genre seems to be over exaggerated, so of this list, it is my most hated.

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» PansyWansyLinsy on March 2nd, 2013, 6:47pm

Not exactly. It's not that all females find yaoi appealing, it's more like most yaoi readers are female. I don't have the exact numbers up my sleeve, but I don't think I'd be going out on a limb when I say that either.

So what, you don't like romance/smut? Better to say that than just to single out yaoi.

Yaoi is about as realistic as some of the shoujo, shounen, smut or hentai titles out there. Yaoi has it's failings as much as the other genres. I mean, are we really debating realism in manga? How often is it that the most popular, smartest, and best-looking guy in high school falls head over heels in love with everyday Plain Jane? And not just one, but two guys when the inevitable love triangle happens?

Yaoi, weird (I'm not sure what your definition of weird is)? Men engaging in sexual acts with one another is too much, but all the tentacle rape that occurs in hentai isn't? Just chalk it up to taste, you don't like reading about homosexual sex, that's fine, but let's not pretend that yaoi is any worse than any other genre out there - especially hentai.

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» kirabook on March 2nd, 2013, 5:14pm

Are you speaking about me? If that's the case, you must not have read anything I said at all. I do not like reading about men humping each other (or women), especially if the point is just to have 2 dudes all over each other. It's just like some hentai to me, it's gross and unreal.

The only yaoi I read was by mistake when I was what.. 13/14 years old maybe? I haven't touched one sense, but yaoi is hard to avoid in many fandoms because it seems girls like it so much. I particularly hate yaoi when fanbases depict completely straight men as homosexual (i.e: Kingdom Hearts and Naruto) Not only that, they make ALL the male characters homosexual and the female characters suddenly disappear into oblivion or they all go homosexual for each other as well.

I guess all in all, I don't find over exaggerated sexual scenes or situations appealing. All yaoi probably isn't like the yaoi I envision it to be, but fanarts, yaoi covers, and yaoi fangirls make me think otherwise.

It is strange though. Are girls expected to like seeing guys all over each other like men are supposed to like women all over each other? (And I'm not really trying to get into real life situations here, just in the entertainment manga/anime field here)

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» gwkimmy on March 5th, 2013, 1:10am

i think you're reading wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too much into it. there are no expectations for your tastes. you like what you like and dislike what you dislike.

i only read and enjoy yaoi because the great ones have the best and most interesting romantic relationship dynamics i have EVER read in any manga. there is a lot of shit yaoi out there, as there is in any genre, but the couple dynamic in the well written ones beat out the couples in the shoujos, joseis and seinens ive read, hands down. that is all. but that's just my taste.

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» Mamsmilk on March 2nd, 2013, 5:19pm

No, he isn't. See what the post is a reply to.

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» Transdude1996 on March 2nd, 2013, 6:01pm

Like many people have stated before, this shouldn't be a poll. It's like making a poll asking which genre of video games, or which TV station is the worst. Even though I avoid some of these demographics, every demographic can have the most beautiful story ever made and, at the same time, have the biggest piece of sh*t that you have ever seen.

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» Nirhtuc on March 2nd, 2013, 7:34pm

Woah, why hate? sad

And lol so many yaoi haters when that is my favourite genre- I wonder what the gender demographics are on BMU 'cuz I'm sure that's mostly guys talking wink ! I dislike shoujo and hentai the most, but I'm open to reading anything else except those two genres.

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» tororo on March 2nd, 2013, 8:42pm

I don't know if it counts, but I hate ecchi the most. Not that I read hentai but I'd rather read it than to read ecchi.

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» gekokujou on March 3rd, 2013, 3:48am

I read hentai from time to time (like it least from the poll list, though) and I must totally agree - I can't stand ecchi. It's not for everyone...

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» Nirhtuc on March 5th, 2013, 3:16am

I still have no idea what ecchi is! I thought it's another word for hentai. Better go find out once and for all...

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» amaranthine on March 2nd, 2013, 8:53pm

I voted hentai.

But if it were included, I would've picked smut. I just can't stand smut shoujo, shounen-ai, yaoi, etc... Any kind of smut is f'ed up.

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» evilcleo on March 2nd, 2013, 9:51pm

Ironic yaoi is leading. I mean, as much hatred towards it is shown, it has just as many successful manga series as any of the other genres. Has anyone tried reading manga on mangago? There's a 80% chance than any random manga you pick, it's probably yaoi or shounen ai.

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» jollychick on March 4th, 2013, 9:35pm

Well...I'd say that a site like mangago isn't exactly a good example of a collection of diverse manga. A reader site like manga fox or a download site like manga traders might be a better example of a "butt load" (no pun intended) of manga in one spot. Shounen manga usually tends to be the leader in popularity. I'd venture to say about 80% of the "classic" old-school manga series, the ones that most of the adults here would recognize as one of the greats, is shounen as well.

It would seem this poll was made to spark confrontations and it's succeeded rather well. The obvious fact is, most females will vote for hentai and most males will vote for yaoi/shounen ai. It's not a thing of real life hate in all cases. It's really just a reflection of how successful these manga are with their target audiences and how . Each genre has it's strengths and weaknesses, so the question should really be "which genre do you read the least?"

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» bstgirl08 on March 2nd, 2013, 10:01pm

I've voted Yaoi. Oh! how i HATE it! I'm not going to sit here say it's my least fav. I seriously don't like it. I accidentally read one and almost threw up.

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» Gen17 on March 2nd, 2013, 10:05pm

Hentai.....

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» themasterwarlord on March 2nd, 2013, 10:35pm

I hate Yaoi.

By the way, I don't really mind having gay people as friends, but I personally find gay things repulsive. I always thought this still made me count as homophobic, but what do you guys think?

I'm confused sometimes how most people who says they hate Yaoi doesn't think themselves as homophobic. Just like it's fine to be gay, isn't it also OK to be homophobic? Not to say that everyone who hates Yaoi is homophobic, just, why is homophobic deemed so negative? Is it reverse peer pressure or something?

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» gwkimmy on March 5th, 2013, 1:16am

homophobia is the treatment of gay people as an "other" for example treating them differently (usually in a more negative manner) than you would heterosexuals. it's bad because it's like being racist (the treatment of minority ethnicities as "other"). gay people just want to be treated like you would anyone else. they're not going to eat you.

hating yaoi isn't homophobic, in my opinion. hating yaoi simply because it contains gay people in it, however, is homophobic.

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» jollychick on March 9th, 2013, 9:26pm

@gwkimmy

If you say "hating yaoi isn't homophobic, in my opinion. hating yaoi simply because it contains gay people in it, however, is homophobic.", then that would mean that people like me, who enjoy the romance genre but don't want to see to men as a couple, would be considered "homophobic." I'm somehow morally deficient and backward thinking because I don't find reading about homosexual males entertaining? That doesn't seem right. To be judged and insulted based on something like personal taste in manga.

Earlier, I mentioned that there wasn't much difference between shoujo and yaoi (high school based) or josei and yaoi (workplace based). If there are many women who enjoy shoujo but don't care for yaoi, the obvious conclusion would be that they don't want to read about two men in a romantic relationship. They are, however, fine with reading about a guy and a girl in a romantic relationship. Which is to say, the male participants in the coupling are the problem. Would that make them homophobic?

I know one girl who reads nothing but yaoi. She even laughed at me because I read shoujo. Once, while in a conversation between classes, she told me she wouldn't considered reading anything outside of her beloved BL. She doesn't like reading about heterosexual manga couples or female homosexual manga couples. Does that mean she has some type of phobia (irrational fear) of heterosexual coupes or lesbians? Of course not. It's just that she doesn't like reading about them.

Would we call a white person racist if they didn't like rap music? I mean, even if they gave a reason for their dislike of it, we have no way of proving it true. I'm black and I don't care for rap. I'm certainly not racist. I don't like rock and roll, tomatoes, reality shows like The Bachelor, fighting games or Apple electronics. I may not prefer them, but they're not considered phobias either.

Instead of using the silly term "homophobic", which has many definitions because of it's dubious origins, maybe we should go back to using the time-honored prejudice. Simply defined as having a preconceived notion or idea without knowledge on the subject, this could be the reason SOME people don't like yaoi. I don't consider myself one of them, since I've got more knowledge on it than I'd probably ever admit to.

An interesting side-note: When looking up the definitions of phobia, homophobia, agoraphobia, acrophobia and claustrophobia, all have the similar definition of fear or dread. Only ONE has the added definition of antipathy. Can you guess which one? Did you guess homophobia? Ding, ding, ding. Even the base "-phobia" is only defined as a persistent, irrational fear. Antipathy, dislike and aversion aren't mentioned at all. Why was it added to homophobia? It has nothing to do with the term referring to humans, since agoraphobia can be used for fear of crowds and crowded places. This difference in definition should have people questioning its validity as a usable term. I mean, fear and hate aren't exactly the same. Ah well, whatever...

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» lynira on March 2nd, 2013, 10:40pm

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Ironic yaoi is leading. I mean, as much hatred towards it is shown, it has just as many successful manga series as any of the other genres. Has anyone tried reading manga on mangago? There's a 80% chance than any random manga you pick, it's probably yaoi or shounen ai.
Actually, that may be one of the reasons hatred for BL is so strong. People who don't like yaoi very quickly become annoyed when yaoi manga and doujinshi pop up everywhere they look.

Another reason may be the hatred for BL fans... the stereotype is a squealing and drooling, obsessive, brainless, weeaboo fangirl, and nobody wants to encounter one of those. Whether most BL fans are actually like that doesn't really matter, the mere image of such a repulsive creature is enough to make some people hate whatever triggered that behavior.

As for me, even though I am opposed to the bottom five choices for moral reasons, I wouldn't say I "hate" them... I just think it'd be best for everyone if those kinds of manga weren't around. Anyway, I guess I will pick yaoi, because out of the bottom five, I find it the most annoying. I'm tired of seeing so much of it, and also I find the typical yaoi art style terrible (mainly the faces).

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Quote from themasterwarlord
Just like it's fine to be gay, isn't it also OK to be homophobic? Not to say that everyone who hates Yaoi is homophobic, just, why is homophobic deemed so negative?
This poll thread isn't really meant to be a discussion about the morality of homosexuality or homophobia (and also, such a controversial topic is likely to take off with a lot of replies), so in the future, please be careful not to ask questions which would start an off-topic discussion.

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» PansyWansyLinsy on March 5th, 2013, 1:15am

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Actually, that may be one of the reasons hatred for BL is so strong. People who don't like yaoi very quickly become annoyed when yaoi manga and doujinshi pop up everywhere they look.

Another reason may be the hatred for BL fans... the stereotype is a squealing and drooling, obsessive, brainless, ...

As for me, even though I am opposed to the bottom five choices for moral reasons, I wouldn't say I "hate" them... I just think it'd be best for everyone if those kinds of manga weren't around. Anyway, I guess I will pick yaoi, because out of the bottom five, I find it the most annoying. I'm tired of seeing so much of it, and also I find the typical yaoi art style terrible (mainly the faces).

This gets to the heart of the matter. I get the feeling that a lot of the yaoi/shounen-ai hate is not due entirely to the content itself, but from the backlash against the culture surrounding boy's love. It's the equivalent to the Twilight phenomenon. Most of the mocking detractors against Twilight (myself included, I'll admit) are merely reacting to the fan girl phenomenon and not necessarily to the material iitself - material I'd daresay that most of the naysayers haven't even fully read or explored.

Or it's due to its "perceived" overwhelming presence and people's irrational belief that they're having something shoved down their throat (basically all the people who are complaining about seeing all the yaoi/shounen-ai on online reader sites). As if that was a rational reason to single out and totally dismiss/dislike an entire genre.

I'm not entirely sure I understand your reasoning either? What exactly is typical yaoi art? Like all the other genres, it's quite diverse in art styles.

To wit, what about these styles makes them so similar so that they all resemble the "typical yaoi style"? : Hidaka Shoko, Natsume Isaku, Kou Yoneda, or Yugi Yamada

And don't worry people, nothing in those pictures will induce vomiting or trigger anyone's delicate gag reflex roll eyes


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...There aren't a lot, but heterosexual fudanshi (male equivalent of fujoshi) do exist.

I don't know why the only fudanshi I've ever encountered are Japanese. It's probably a sub-cultural thing. Sure, Asian countries are a lot less more open-minded, and Japan is no exception, but... Oh boy, Japan. BL is huuuuuge. It still boggles my mind how many male seiyuu that are straight voice for BL roles.

That's it, I'm moving to Japan. Only then shall I feel fully accepted and normal amongst my boy lovin' brethren (and I say this as a female b/c, really, where else would I be more likely to also find straight guys who like yaoi?)

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» caitnap on March 2nd, 2013, 10:42pm

hentai, I am a girl so...this only serve to annoy me
especially when it's random and has no function other than fan-service

when you are reading good story,but ended up *cough* have to read it in hiding
because it will be awkward went your parent see what you are reading XD



though why shounen ai is higher than yaoi is puzzling
I mean, yaoi is more...intense version of shounen ai, so if you dislike that,you should dislike yaoi more,right?

I have no problem with shounen/shoujo ai, they are mostly a "touch" of affection and nothing more. Not really into romance centered story plot, so I hardly have problem with this yaoi/yuri. rarely read one anyway.

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» Mamsmilk on March 3rd, 2013, 1:02am

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though why shounen ai is higher than yaoi is puzzling
I mean, yaoi is more...intense version of shounen ai, so if you dislike that,you should dislike yaoi more,right?

It isn't above it. The indicators are above the text. It's kind of badly designed in that sense, as they aren't really graphs, just short stubs.

Whoever is responsible of the poll layout, should probably fix that or make some kind of separators for ease of reading.

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» frodfy on March 2nd, 2013, 11:45pm

Incorrect wording of the question + inappropriate options=Meaningless Poll

Then again, I have never suggested any poll, so I shouldn't criticize.

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» Akillarian on March 3rd, 2013, 12:42am

Hate is a strong word. I have also tried and read all the demographic, and will probably will continue reading them all in the future because just one will not sustain my reading craving and I'm an extremely picky and selective reader.

I will vote it it has the Shota or Lolita option

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» ChoppaPika on March 3rd, 2013, 12:53am

I strongly dislike yaoi manga ;-; I'm not against BL but I just want to see a good adventurous romance manga T-T Lately there're so many yaoi mangas branded as new mangas in Mangafox latest release! T^T

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» kurokaze on March 3rd, 2013, 1:15am

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I strongly dislike yaoi manga ;-; I'm not against BL but I just want to see a good adventurous romance manga T-T Lately there're so many yaoi mangas branded as new mangas in Mangafox latest release! T^T


T^T I know it's annoying they should have a filter option for yaoi like this site does.

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» BlackOrion on March 3rd, 2013, 4:33am


To be honest I'm not into the whole "blaming the demography for the crimes of specific manga" but to vote for once in the poll i went for Yaoi, because... you know... machismo and all that shit, but no hard feelings, perverts girls need their fixes of "odd" things too.

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» Vesey on March 3rd, 2013, 8:07am

It took me minute to realize what the question was asking. At first I basically read it like which group of people do you hate the most, shoujo readers/fans, shounen readers/fans... I was like woah prejudice much.

But then I figured out it was more about demographic influence on content. Which genre has tropes you hate that seem to result from a (perhaps misguided) attempt to appeal to it core demographic. Ultimately I went with shoujo because it has the highest amount of cliches and worst of all it's a few send out a bad message to it's young impressionable demographic. That said there is still a lot of good shoujo out there.

I think I maybe should have went with hentai because I still read a fair amount of shoujo where as hentai I pretty much avoid because it's so dude oriented what with the wonky female anatomy and sometimes physics. Not that every hentai is guilty of this but its more common then (I think) it should be to the point I don't think its worth looking for the exceptions.

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» Blique on March 3rd, 2013, 11:26am

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I've voted Yaoi. Oh! how i HATE it! I'm not going to sit here say it's my least fav. I seriously don't like it. I accidentally read one and almost threw up.

Way to base your view of an entire genre on one manga.

Quote from calstine
Actually, that's a common misconception: while the target audience for BL is most definitely heterosexual and bisexual women, I doubt most straight or bi women read yaoi / shounen-ai: why should they when there's so much het romance with better plots / art / characterisation?

Comparing shounen ai with het romance is reasonable, but yaoi is completely different. Yaoi is pretty much porn, but tailored to female tastes. There are very few scanlated het manga that can be compared to yaoi. In Japan, there's an entire genre for such "women's hentai", but it's unfortunately ignored by scanlators for some reason.

Quote from calstine
Only a small potion of heterosexual and bisexual women like BL, all heterosexual men dislike it, and imo quite a few homosexual and bisexual men must have voted against it too, since BL is likely too flowery and female-oriented and romanticised for their tastes.

I know quite a few heterosexual guys who like yaoi. Interestingly, most of them aren't from America...Maybe "gay" is used as such a common insult in America that guys try to stay away from anything that would make them appear "un-manly"?

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» jollychick on March 4th, 2013, 9:49pm

Tell those "heterosexual" guys you know jollychick said "they need to stop lying." There's nothing, nothing manly or normal about a heterosexual guy liking to read yaoi. It's not an American thing, it's a dude thing. I don't like eating eel. I'm from the New Orleans and it's not something we normally eat. When I tried it, I decided I didn't like the taste. Does that mean that all the Japanese people who like to eat eel are more comfortable and confident in themselves? That they don't have to conform to the crazy standards we New Orleans folks have, and deny their true selves? No. It just means we like different things. Why is personal preference such a problem? confused

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» Baniita on March 4th, 2013, 10:07pm

Why is it not manly? :X Your definition of "manly" hurts. Ow.

That's like saying that straight male actors aren't manly for acting out gay men. In fact, I think they're more manly in their self-confidence. How they choose to act out of passion for acting, and not care about what people think. The actors both enjoy the roles, and they also get fangirls.

There aren't a lot, but heterosexual fudanshi (male equivalent of fujoshi) do exist.

I don't know why the only fudanshi I've ever encountered are Japanese. It's probably a sub-cultural thing. Sure, Asian countries are a lot less more open-minded, and Japan is no exception, but... Oh boy, Japan. BL is huuuuuge. It still boggles my mind how many male seiyuu that are straight voice for BL roles.

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Two men falling in love is grotesque, reading about it is crap.
...Oi, isn't that going too far, and far too opinionated? If you have a thing against yaoi, okay, but to generalize it so much.

OH GOD, NO. STAY AWAY FROM OKANE GA NAI.

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» mastergil on March 3rd, 2013, 11:58am

I voted for yaoi just because I like boys-girl's couples more, I read a few yaoi's but they didn't give me the same feeling, I don't hate it but it's the one I like the least.

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» Unknown on March 3rd, 2013, 2:39pm

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» mannyneves on March 3rd, 2013, 2:40pm

I don't hate any of the listed. I'm not a big fan of Yuri, but i don't dislike it either. What I hate is lolicon and shotacon. If there ever comes a referendum to ban it, they would have my vote. But since it's not in the list, i don't know which to vote for.

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» voraciouszest on March 3rd, 2013, 3:30pm

I actually voted for Shoujo, but if I had two votes I'd add Shounen to the mix. Of course, my comments should be taken in general and not directed at any specific series. In general, I hate shoujo the most because it contains a lot of tropes, plot twists and character types that I find intensely annoying. I hate, hate, hate the fact that in the vast majority of shoujo and shounen series, a very thin and (only in my opinion) vapid storyline is stretched to breaking point over a multitude of volumes.

For the most part, I find that I can't connect with female characters in manga. Perhaps it has something to do with a difference in culture, or with the quality of the story, but I find the way that girls and women are portrayed in (most) manga to be alienating to me.

I'd actually read yuri and hentai before I picked up a shoujo or shounen series. I just can't stomach them. But I think that has more to do with my age group than anything else. If I were 13, I'd love shoujo to death.

So yeah, obviously I like yaoi/shounen-ai the best and I don't particularly care about the fact that people on this site hate it the most. I mean, in English-speaking countries, the main demographic for manga is male readers aged 14 - 24.

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» -shiratori- on March 3rd, 2013, 4:30pm

I like this poll, it gives lots of room for controversy and drama. I'd pick hentai doujins if there was an option for it, but since there isn't I go for yaoi since it's annoying. You cannot ignore it and it's present on every manga related website. Even here, when I search for specific category tags without blending it out, yaoi usually fills the whole list since there is so much of it. So yeah, that's one of the reasons why I hate yaoi.

By the way I heard that a significant minority of yaoi readers are actually straight males. And since I cannot imagine a single reason aside from intellectual interest why I would read yaoi as a heterosexual male this is very interesting to me. So, is any one of the yaoi readers here actually male and not gay?

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» StaticHD on March 3rd, 2013, 7:46pm

The closest Yoai type of series I've ever considered reading at all would be dick-Girls (Futa/Futanari). That is the closest you'll see a sane heterosexual male would be reading. Unless a heterosexual male was helping out a scanlation group or publishing company with a yaoi title, there is just no way you'll EVEN see an 80% straight-male reading yaoi. (80% meaning a guy who acts like a frightened wuss.)

I don't actually hate yaoi. I dislike it, but I don't hate it. What I hate is shounen-ai. All that lovey-dovey male on male crap with a guy having girly eyes and the usual bishi-face and they kiss each other? WTF!!!confused It's like a girl who reads this YAOI crap WISHES that they had a dick. This fantasy is just tooo out of wack for me. If you girls wish you had dicks, then just read FUTA and spare us the trouble of publishing your homo series.

Then I hear that there are actually male authors who draw this Yaoi or Shounen-Ai stuffconfused Gladly, there stuff aren't even as popular and they don't sell as well as the female yaoi authors. It makes you realize that yaoi and shounen-ai is truly targeted at bishi-loving female dick-wishers.

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» Sari90 on March 4th, 2013, 7:31am

Wow!! It's nice to see someone who knows every single yaoi fan in the world!!!1! Seriously dude, way to generalize. I like yaoi and shounen ai, but I don't wish to have a penis, at all. I'm guessing you think guys who like yuri wish to have a vagina, right?

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What I hate is shounen-ai. All that lovey-dovey male on male crap with a guy having girly eyes and the usual bishi-face and they kiss each other?


Yeah because other genres never have guys with girly eyes and bishi-faces, nope never.
Also, two guys being in love is not crap. If you are in love with someone, you are going to want hold their hand, kiss them, or do anything else that is intimate.

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» jollychick on March 4th, 2013, 10:01pm

Heterosexual males seem to be the problem right now. You're not allowed to have things you like and don't like. Who cares if what you like to read as entertainment in your private time doesn't agree with what some random person thinks you should be reading, or if you dislike something that someone else thinks is great? Why...it's insulting. Sit down, shut-up and read this yaoi. *mushes copy of Okane ga nai in StaticHD's face* Read it. NOW!!

Two men falling in love is grotesque, reading about it is crap. eyes

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» Nirhtuc on March 5th, 2013, 3:22am

Personally, reading about a man and a woman falling in love is grotesque to some people. Hope you're ok with that then! biggrin

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» elleesttrois on March 5th, 2013, 11:49pm

Yeah, you're a hater. Own it.

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» Nirhtuc on March 6th, 2013, 3:57am

Everybody is a hater of some sort! I don't hate het romance myself, but I know yaoi fans who do. Het romance is just boring- not gross, not interesting, just...blah.

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» gundamgundam on March 3rd, 2013, 11:11pm

Quote from -shiratori-
I cannot imagine a single reason aside from intellectual interest why I would read yaoi as a heterosexual male

Ah, that's easy. Have you ever heard people complaining about bishounen looking more like women than men? That's why. The manga may say they are men, but many times they look exactly like girls, so it's no wonder some straight males may like them. You can even go randomly rewrite the dialog of many yaoi manga and claim that the uke is not a boy, but a futa girl and I assure you that many wouldn't even notice the change.
Now, if we are talking about bara, then things change. There's no way any heterosexual male would like that. If you meet someone who likes bara and claims to be a heterosexual male, you know for sure that he is either bisexual or gay. Seriously.

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» -shiratori- on March 4th, 2013, 12:26am

Quote from gundamgundam
Quote from -shiratori-
I cannot imagine a single reason aside from intellectual interest why I would read yaoi as a heterosexual male

Ah, that's easy. Have you ever heard people complaining about bishounen looking more like women than men? That's why. The manga may say they are men, but many times they look exactly like girls, so it's no wonder some straight males may like them. You can even go randomly rewrite the dialog of many yaoi manga and claim that the uke is not a boy, but a futa girl and I assure you that many wouldn't even notice the change.
Now, if we are talking about bara, then things change. There's no way any heterosexual male would like that. If you meet someone who likes bara and claims to be a heterosexual male, you know for sure that he is either bisexual or gay. Seriously.


Hm they don't look like girls to me, but I can see where you're coming from. And yeah the seme and uke stuff is another reason why I hate yaoi. Not only is it sexist as hell if you think about it, but it seems like the yaoi world consists only of top-bottom relationships. This is... madness!
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» Sari90 on March 4th, 2013, 7:47am

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but it seems like the yaoi world consists only of top-bottom relationships.


There are reversible couples, it's done less than the seme and uke thing though.
"Hatsukoi no Atosaki" and "Kyuuso wa Cheese no Yume o Miru" to name a few, have a reversible couple.

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» veve on March 4th, 2013, 6:44am

Pointless poll because it will bring the haters on their highest level of activity and will lead to pointless flamming wars.

Imho hate in any of its aspects is not proper for polls in this cool(till-now) community. We have enough racism, homophobia and misogyny in the RL that to need them here too.

Also the results of the poll from 2008 abt most loved demographic shew that Yaoi is most favoured:

Question: Favorite Demographic?
Choices:
Hentai - votes: 1807 (12.1%)
Josei - votes: 616 (4.1%)
Lolicon - votes: 746 (5%)
Seinen - votes: 2364 (15.8%)
Shotacon - votes: 185 (1.2%)
Shoujo - votes: 2684 (18%)
Shoujo Ai - votes: 282 (1.9%)
Shounen - votes: 1921 (12.9%)
Shounen Ai - votes: 516 (3.5%)
Yaoi - votes: 3069 (20.6%)
Yuri - votes: 742 (5%)
There were 14932 total votes.
The poll ended: October 18th 2008

So as we see no vote result is as talkative as it seems at firts sight. Neither the newest one nor this from 2008.

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» dalek on March 4th, 2013, 6:58am

Quote from veve
Pointless poll because it will bring the haters on their highest level of activity and will lead to pointless flamming wars.

Imho hate in any of its aspects is not proper for polls in this cool(till-now) community. We have enough racism, homophobia and misogyny in the RL that to need them here too.


Thank you very much.

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» Ren-tan on March 4th, 2013, 9:52am

Quote from veve
Pointless poll because it will bring the haters on their highest level of activity and will lead to pointless flamming wars.

Imho hate in any of its aspects is not proper for polls in this cool(till-now) community. We have enough racism, homophobia and misogyny in the RL that to need them here too. ...

Second this.

What is the point of this poll beside bringing more hate between the different fandoms? As another member stated, "hate" is a strong word.

If you really want to know which fandom is the least liked here, why didn't you put something like "Is there a fandom you tend to avoid?", one of which would probably be more accurate. I mean, most of the people who posted here don't even hate the fandom they chose.

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» elleesttrois on March 5th, 2013, 11:47pm

Third.

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» cloudsora on March 4th, 2013, 8:08am

I'm not homophobic but I do dislike Yaoi the most, I don't participate in flame wars or anything. It would be easier if I could like Yaoi or Shounen ai because they have a lot of the content that I want to read but they're too sexual compared to what Shoujo ai and stuff are. Even Ecchi stuff doesn't usually have all the physical contact Shounen ai does and as a straight man who really doesn't want to see it in excess I can't handle it.

Honestly I've tried several times to read Shounen ai but sooner or later it focused so heavily on the shounen ai aspect.

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» sagesmith on March 4th, 2013, 10:53am

I think this poll was a bad idea lol

I don't HATE any of them, I just like some more than others. :-P shouldn't there be an option for "Don't dislike any?"


Quote from Akillarian
Hate is a strong word. I have also tried and read all the demographic, and will probably will continue reading them all in the future because just one will not sustain my reading craving and I'm an extremely picky and selective reader.

I will vote it it has the Shota or Lolita option


I stand corrected. I hate Shota/Lolita manga. Sex with child? How disgusting can you get? Funny that there's probably more yaoi haters than shota/lolita haters...

Also, guro manga or whatever... sickest stuff ever.

I guess there is some manga that I hate...

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» -shiratori- on March 4th, 2013, 12:28pm

So many lolicon haters. I suggest you all go and read this: Lolicon Phoenix smile wink grin

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» caozhi on March 4th, 2013, 11:05am

Do you even need to ask? A lot of the time people assume they dislike something because of what they assume something is about. For me the thing I couldn't tolerate is yaoi since all my fears were realized when I tried to power through a yaoi. Those hands, man. That plot. And those HANDS.

Spoiler (mouse over to view)
Freaking love yuri

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» TaoPaiPai on March 4th, 2013, 11:31am

Yuri
i am a heterosexual male[i think]
and i cant for the life of me see anything even remotly interesting about homosexual girls
it does nothing down there
no matter what they do or what toys they use lol
NOTHING

yaoi on the other hand allways work
i think i need to see penis...being inserted into something to even be remotly interested when it comes to sex

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» Baniita on March 4th, 2013, 10:22pm

Wow!

I find that interesting. Most heterosexual men (Northern American men, anyway) find lesbians hot.

I think I know what you mean, though. A lot of my guy friends think that I read BL to fap, which I find insulting since it suggests that I only think with my hormones and not my brain. But I don't understand why they think so, because how can I get off when I'm female, and there are no females involved in what I'm reading? I can't imagine myself getting involved, and I WON'T, either, because that just ruins the point of why I like BL so much.

You're probably 80% heterosexual. In the end you'd probably still prefer boobs and the female figure, so unless you actually fall for a guy, which I highly doubt, it doesn't mean much.

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» Sari90 on March 4th, 2013, 11:43pm

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But I don't understand why they think so, because how can I get off when I'm female, and there are no females involved in what I'm reading?


There doesn't have to be a female in it order for a girl to get turned on. Men get turned on by yuri (or other lesbian stuff), so why can't a girl get turned on by yaoi (or whatever else involving m/m)? It might not turn you on, but for some others, it might.

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I can't imagine myself getting involved, and I WON'T, either, because that just ruins the point of why I like BL so much.


Same.

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» Baniita on March 5th, 2013, 12:16am

Yeah, except guys who like lesbians and get turned on think about getting involved and turn it into a threesome. e _e)"

I know it turns some girls on, but I still don't get it, though. I'd like to think it's just because they imagine themselves getting involved, but I don't think that's true for the most part. Or maybe they imagine themselves as one of the guys, which makes more sense, I guess? I find it hot, I scream inhuman noises into my pillow, fangirl and such, but fapping to it doesn't work for me.

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» Sari90 on March 5th, 2013, 12:28am

I guess everyone's mind works differently? Some could just be imagining it from a third person point of view as well. You don't have to imagine yourself in something to get turned on by it. They are probably turned on by the fact it is two men going at it? (It is hot, what can I say lol). I'm not just talking about yaoi, but other things (such as gay erotica novels for example) as well.

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I find it hot, I scream inhuman noises into my pillow, fangirl and such, but fapping to it doesn't work for me.


It's the same for me in yaoi or any other manga for that fact. minus the screaming lol

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» Jooles on March 5th, 2013, 12:59pm

Girl on girl is hoooooooooot.

LESBIAN ON LESBIAN, however, isn't. Nothing hot about two girls that doesn't like penis, regardless of circumstance.

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» Nirhtuc on March 6th, 2013, 4:00am

LOL! A lesbian is by definition, a female who is NOT attracted to the penis!

I think you're talking about 'lesbian for show only' females. roll eyes

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» Baniita on March 4th, 2013, 6:00pm

In the end, I just picked "shoujo". XDD Hentai is too wide of a genre...

Despite reading heaps of shoujo.

...Probably because, well, heteronormativity bores the hell out of me in most cases.

But this poll isn't accurate or helpful at all. I don't hate shoujo manga, but it made me pick it through process of elimination. I love shounen manga, and I like GL though there's only like two good titles, and I live and breathe BL. There are some really good seinen titles like Kami no Shizuku, and many Josei titles are actually BL in disguise. I don't hate hentai because well, I dabble in that too. /cough

I know that many of the people who picked "yaoi" are not homophobic themselves (well, the genre is a bit homophobic itself with many of its titles) for the most part. But they're made to pick it, and so the 45.5% saddens me greatly.

I have nothing against lolicon~? /more of a shotacon, though. Not the Boku no Pico or Boku no Nick Cage kind, but the Ciel Phantomhive kind where the ten year olds act like 40 year olds.

This isn't a call to stop hate polls, just... Phrase them better, or add a "none of the above" option, geez!

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» Sagaris on March 4th, 2013, 10:31pm

So, baniita, just who are you replying to?

Oh, never mind, just discovering some new features of the website.

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» Baniita on March 4th, 2013, 10:44pm

Hahaha, I almost thought jolly was telling ME off a while ago, until I read the "reply to post" at the top of his message.

So, yeah, talking to TaoPaiPai.

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» caozhi on March 4th, 2013, 10:44pm

Oh, and please stop insisting that the genres you like or dislike are purely based on your sexuality. That may factor into the case of genres that have sexuality as a focal point, but by no means does that prove someone's tastes are directly affected by their orientation. What you dislike is not wholly what you have experienced with the actual material. A lot of the time it is what you have experienced with the people that enjoy that material. Your hatred for them motivates your hatred for everything they enjoy. Irrational, sure. Do you care? Nope.

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» Baniita on March 4th, 2013, 10:47pm

I remember this one dude telling me once that "all straight guys find gay stuff disgusting".

I scoffed out loud at his arrogance.

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» Nirhtuc on March 6th, 2013, 4:04am

That's so stupid! By that guy's 'theory', all straight girls should also find yuri disgusting?? no Okay, so yuri doesn't turn me on, but it definitely doesn't disgust me! Some people make such ridiculous statements...

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» Jooles on March 5th, 2013, 12:55pm

Didn't vote, partially because I keep forgetting that the poll is retarded and once you click "Show results" you can no longer vote. But I would've kept it blank anyway. My three least favourites (below) --that I might still read-- all possess some good qualities in general, and since I haven't touched any of the others, who am I to say that I wouldn't enjoy them.

Shoujo - Read a few that I liked immensely even though in general I hate the art and narrative-style TO DEATH. The narration in particular is often of the "Oh! Great"-quality, whose name is by far the most ironic author-name in the world. You frackin' suck, Oogure.

Yaoi/Shounen-Ai (Whatevs) - Only watched the anime of both, but I liked both Yami no Matsuei and Gravitation, the latter being a love-story that I really, really rooted for in the end. Oh, and Fake (?) was great as well.

Hentai - fuck yeah, I've fapped to it countless times. When the art isn't grotesque and they are SHAVED. When hentai's good it's "Sexstory X Porn" and that is a fantastic combination, since the former lacks visuals and Porn lacks story/real desire. Oh, and properly made doujinshis are frickin' nice. Some characters in other genres really gets me going, and it's always nice to see them naked, among other things.

I was expecting Hentai to be more hated, though. I remember being seriously shocked -from skimming and posting on the forum a couple of years ago- by the amount of naive innocence and prudity (if it doesn't exist, I just made it up.) around here when it came to sex/nudity.



-edit-

If it's overused, badly-made or if you just get teased over and over again, and never get to see any NIPPLES, Ecchi is by far the worst thing out there, for above stated reasons and more. And why the frack do I want to see up someone's skirt to get a look at their teddybear-panties?! Innocence/virtue is a major turn-off.

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» jazzybaby on March 5th, 2013, 3:52pm

I definitely agree with BlackOrion. Statistically, most manga readers are male and unfortunately, most males are homophobic. It is due to the social programming that anything outside the 'norm' is shunned be it a male being 'girly' or someone being 'homosexual'... So not surprisingly, Yaoi is obviously going to get majority of votes in this poll.

Also, I personally have dislikes about each genre but still read a lot of mangas from each one. They can ALL be either unrealistic, can get too cliche, have one dimensional characters or lack a decent plot. Like shoujo/shoujo-ai/shounen-ai, it can get too sparkly n cheesy. For shounen, it can get too ridiculous with constant action but no character development. For Yuri/Yaoi/Hentai, it can lack a story all together and just be straight smut regardless of the pairings.

Now, I read ALL genres of manga but I prefer Josei/Seinen cus it seems the most tangible out of all of them due to a more mature writing style I guess. In the end, all it depends on for me is 1) a compelling/creative story, 2) good or unique art, and 3) some sort of character depth/development. That's about it. Trust me, you'd be surprised how much manga lacks all 3 of these requirements LOL (;

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» -shiratori- on March 5th, 2013, 6:40pm

Quote from jazzybaby
Statistically, most manga readers are male


I doubt that. On every manga related website or forums I frequent shoujo and yaoi topics outnumber shounen/seinen topics, this one included. It's more likely that yaoi also got a significant number of female voters.

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» ZL11 on March 5th, 2013, 5:44pm

One of THE worst polls ever, and there have been a few. We should just give up the ghost on the poll. There's a new poll idea: ditch or keep the poll. I pretty much stop answering them.

I just checked the comments on this one because of the (unsurprising) hate on YAOI and I wanted to see what the responses were.

I read everything (and I don't mean that in a snobby way), so I didn't respond. If I absolutely had to, I would have to say Yuri, only because too many of them have super slow plots that feels like they are bogging down the plotlines. I have read some I've liked, though, so I wouldn't vote for that.

I might have voted Shounen, but that's because the ENDLESS power-up battles, harems, and tournaments occasionally drive me NUTS. But I read a lot of them, so I wouldn't vote for that.

So, I really have no opinion on this poll. none

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» elleesttrois on March 5th, 2013, 11:44pm

Agreed. Yank it. No point in dividing us. I bet a poll on guns would be less divisive.

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» Gunzy on March 5th, 2013, 10:10pm

I wish I could vote for multiple options. I forgot if I voted for shoujo or yuri. I don't read yuri and some shoujo manga are just unbearable. I can't say I hate any of these...I just have preferences. I'm kind of surprised yaoi has the most votes considering its fan base, but then again it is yaoi...

And just to add my two cents here, I don't think most readers like reading manga about their sex with the same sex. It's the opposite sex we love to see together, 'cause we think it's hot or something. laugh

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» elleesttrois on March 5th, 2013, 11:43pm

I'm a little sad that I feel compelled to make my very first comment!! on such a horribly divisive poll. I'm a little curious--why this poll? We all have our favorite niche(s). But polls such as this do nothing but separate us and are basically a M/M hate barometer. I hate seeing that in real life and I really didn't need to see it here. Elle is sad about this.

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I just checked the comments on this one because of the (unsurprising) hate on YAOI and I wanted to see what the responses were.
- ZL
ZL's comment says it all. You knew what was going to happen when you posted this; yet you did it anyway. Makes Elle sadder. *sad panda*

Go ahead and call me "sicko" and get it over with. "Homo," "Fag," - are you getting my drift about why I hate polls such as this? It's like you're saying it's okay to hate on those fujoshi over there. I get taken to the woodshed because I like slash, read and write slash fanfic, ship M/M, see HoYay in every relationship I see on shows, anime, manga I like. I ALREADY KNOW YOU HATE US. What's the point in spelling it out? Do you really need to make me feel bad? I'm sick to my stomach and I forgot why I came here.

http://www.hark.com/clips/plcsxwhxnh-disappointed

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» Scyfon on March 5th, 2013, 11:48pm

Quote from elleesttrois
I ALREADY KNOW YOU HATE US. What's the point in spelling it out? Do you really need to make me feel bad? I'm sick to my stomach and I forgot why I came here.

It's not all about you...

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» elleesttrois on March 5th, 2013, 11:52pm

40% of it is.

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» Scyfon on March 6th, 2013, 12:04am

Quote from elleesttrois
40% of it is.

Oh, I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that I was communicating with the embodiment of the yaoi fandom.

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» elleesttrois on March 6th, 2013, 12:07am

Of course, you couldn't. Therefore, I forgive.

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» mysstris on March 6th, 2013, 12:57am

Hm...
I'm a shoujo and josei reader so im ok with that.
Shounen and seinen I have no problems with since I read it occasionally.
Shounen ai im good with.
Shoujo ai and yuri I'm more iffy on.
Yaoi is when I suddenly feel like reading something different.
Hentai....idk if it's hate. I have nothing against ppl who read, just that I'm not one of them.

I'm staying out of this one.

I think the topic of this poll should have been reworded or at least add an option of "none, it's all a matter of taste"

there should be a follow up poll asking, "which do you read the least" as to compare the results since some ppl might just be posting b/c they just don't read it whereas others actually do hate it.

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» MaZzAx on March 6th, 2013, 12:14pm

I wanted to put Yuri or Hentai because those are the two genres I am interested in the least, but I didn't think it would be fair since I don't think I've ever read a single Yuri and I probably only read one or two Hentai just out of curiosity.
Trying to pick one I hate the most is hard because in amongst the rubbish, the painfully average and the irritatingly cliche, there's always gonna be a few awesome manga from each genre.
If I were to try and pick one genre I've read quite a few manga of which didn't suit my tastes as much as the others it would have to be seinen. The manga from that genre don't tend to make my 8+ ratings list. So that's the one I've picked.
But honestly, it's not 'hate' it's just 'taste'.

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» jazzybaby on March 7th, 2013, 12:50pm

Quote from MaZzAx
there's always gonna be a few awesome manga from each genre.


Agreed. Each genre has the potential to be either too cliche or to be a great story regardless of romantic pairings or genre. I've read good and bad mangas from each demographic. This is also one of my least favorite polls Baka-Updates has done in a while. It's not surprising that Yaoi is getting majority of votes. Unfortunately yet obviously, majority of the human population still has a 'homophobic' mentality...
I don't like this poll so I didn't vote.. /:

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» faerygoddyss on March 7th, 2013, 12:42am

Which Baka-Updates poll do you hate the most? Ugh. THIS ONE.

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» amy_levi on March 8th, 2013, 4:57am

Quote from faerygoddyss
Which Baka-Updates poll do you hate the most? Ugh. THIS ONE.


WELL SAID. I agree.

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» Mamsmilk on March 7th, 2013, 6:27am

This is kind of amusing.

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» Scyfon on March 7th, 2013, 9:52pm

Quote from Mamsmilk
This is kind of amusing.

I wonder if the reaction posts on this thread would even be here if the results went a different way, because lets face it, most of them are butthurt fujoushis who somehow are just realizing that most people don't like what they like.

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» PansyWansyLinsy on March 8th, 2013, 12:26am

Quote from Scyfon
I wonder if the reaction posts on this thread would even be here if the results went a different way, because lets face it, most of them are butthurt fujoushis who somehow are just realizing that most people don't like what they like.

Oh please roll eyes Even the most naive yaoi reader knows that the material is not for everyone. Have you even read the thread because that hardly describes the variety of responses we've seen so far. I could honestly care less whether or not yaoi is the genre that people are least likely to read (which is how the question should have been worded). It's not for everyone and I understand that. Heck, I don't like yuri and I pretty much despise hentai, but I chalk it up to taste obviously. I don't fault anyone for not finding interest in a subject matter that's not appealing to them. It's only rational.

Yaoi, like every other genre, has its flaws, but in that way it's no different from any of the other poll options. Yuri and shoujo ai are also about same-sex relationships and yet they have much smaller number in voters. Why is that? My beef with some of the responses is that people are unfairly maligning the genre not because of content alone, but because they have issues with yaoi fandom. And that silly, simplistic poll doesn't reflect that. But you keep on painting those broad strokes.

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» Ren-tan on March 7th, 2013, 1:26pm

I'm really glad to hear that some people disapprove this poll!

As other members stated, why didn't you guys add a neutral option? Why didn't you add the option xxxTokineko suggested (aka "I love all of them!") for this poll ?

I wonder if this question is innocent?

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» Mamsmilk on March 7th, 2013, 10:41pm

Quote from Ren-tan
I'm really glad to hear that some people disapprove this poll!

As other members stated, why didn't you guys add a neutral option? Why didn't you add the option xxxTokineko suggested (aka "I love all of them!" wink for this poll ?

I wonder if this question is innocent?


It is useless data when you are asked to say what you hate. It really changes nothing whether the option is or is not present, just like if the poll asked what is the best opera house and you'd demand an option for you never being in one. It would be there only to please the person answering, but wouldn't help the poll at all. The question is not what you don't hate.

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» Oriolidae on March 8th, 2013, 8:59am

WHY use the term "hate"?! Couldn't you just as well have used words like "least prefer" or "dislike". "Hate" is such a strong and negative word! Just because I by chance do not like to read hentai, that doesn't mean that I hate it.

You just beg for a hateful discussion with this poll.

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» ultradude on March 8th, 2013, 9:29am

Divisive polls about hating demographics: just what the anime/manga community needs!

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» RattixEmpire on March 8th, 2013, 9:57am

It isn't a matter of hating, so much as what I find the most offensive. Often, demographics that I like have categories that I find highly offensive. The only demographic that I avoid like the plague because it offends me is hentai. I find allot of manga directed at males to be offensive, being a feminist, but I also find some shoujo and josei to be offensive because of the weak, stupid and dependant female leads. It depends on the writer, except in demographics devoted to sex, where even a good story line can't redeem the manga.

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» Scyfon on March 8th, 2013, 11:21pm

Quote from RattixEmpire
but I also find some shoujo and josei to be offensive because of the weak, stupid and dependant female leads.

How is that offensive?
If a character is weak, stupid and dependent, then that's their character flaw. The character does not represent you or your bloody gender, but their own selves. You are reading about somebody else. It's not all about you.

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» jollychick on March 9th, 2013, 9:34pm

@Scyfon

You've just nailed a very important point that most people overlook! Everything doesn't represent everybody. Some people are smart, some are stupid. Some are lazy, loud, outgoing, shy, dependent, meek, popular, athletic, bookworms...the list goes on. Let's not even get into the idea that we're talking fictional characters and a retelling of some actual event. I'm now convinced that some people like being offended, so they make up reasons to feel insulted. Some people are also vain.

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» BlackOrion on March 8th, 2013, 6:10pm

I don't get why so much hate against this poll, at least in my case, the more heated the discussion the happier i get. If i ever get the feeling i'm making someone unhappy my life is twice as good.
The other day I was in crowded bus and this young woman was expecting me to stand up soon, so i did just that, then stretched my arms and sit back down, her face made the rest of my travel thrice as enjoyable, it was hard to keep the grin in check.

All the same, the Fujoshis thinking they have a good arguments just to realize it isn't as solid as they tough it was and go into rampage-repetitive-walltext mode is the best a poll ever did to for me.

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