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New Poll - Imperfect Art and/or Story
This week's poll is from our member XReader. It's all about picking between bad, imperfect choices. The lesser of many evils perhaps? If forced to choose, which way would you swing?

You can submit poll ideas here (and try to keep them manga/anime-related)
http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=3903

Previous Poll Results:
Question: Favorite romance scenario in manga
Choices:
Just one pairing - votes: 5463 (37.3%)
Love triangle - votes: 1263 (8.6%)
Love quarter (or more) - votes: 409 (2.8%)
Harem (1 boy, many girls) - votes: 1901 (13%)
Reverse harem (1 girl, many boys) - votes: 1310 (8.9%)
Multiple couples (getting complicated here) - votes: 3083 (21.1%)
I hate romance. Everyone deserves to be single - votes: 1208 (8.3%)
There were 14637 total votes.
The poll ended: August 3rd 2013

So either we go simple with just 1 pairing or we get really complicated with tons of matches. The middle ground isn't worth much apparently
Posted by lambchopsil on August 3rd 7:19am Comments ( 31 )  [ View ]  [ Add ]
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» RoxFlowz on August 3rd, 2013, 12:26am

After reading OMK, Molester Man and the original version of Onepunch-man... Yeah, great plot can cover for bad artwork. Or is it just that you get used to it?

I still find it difficult to pick up a random manga with bad art though.

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» jasonred79 on August 5th, 2013, 12:16pm

Exactly. Artwork is the FIRST thing to hit your eyes, whereas plot takes TIME to digest. If the art is bad, chances are I won't read the manga long enough to immerse myself in the plot.

However, for mangas that you're already hooked on, bad art becomes secondary to finding out "what happens in this week's episode?"


You all are forgetting the greatest example:

PENCIL X SKETCH.

aka Hunter X Hunter, the horrific pencil sketch versions, where you often can't even tell what's supposed to be happening in the panel.

... We read those anyway, didn't we? (suckers, us)

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» Harimau on August 3rd, 2013, 1:04am

I think it strongly depends on the kind of manga and the story they're trying to tell. A good action manga lets you see the movement of the characters - too much detail can actually be a drawback as you lose the sense of motion and it feels like a static but beautiful image. A compelling romance or drama is strongly dependent on the "setpieces" and the expressions of the characters as far as art goes, but also very strong writing (monologue, dialogue); psychological manga is the same in that regard, though the focus is different. Comedy manga, though, are often about reactions, so character expressions can be exaggerated (which may cover for the artist's lesser competence), clarity of movement is not largely necessary, and art can be simple or even objectively bad; so in that case comedy manga are all about the writing and the plotting, and the art is almost entirely secondary except where it hinders a reader.

As long as the art is not an impediment to storytelling (e.g. clarity of movement), and in fact is the vehicle for storytelling (e.g. complicated character expressions), the style or quality of the art doesn't truly matter. A good artist, however, has a better grasp on the subtlety and the nuance, so arguably, good art and good manga storytelling go hand in hand; even if you don't prefer the artistic style (RoxFlowz for instance says OMK and Molester Man had 'bad' artwork, but here I would disagree - character design was sometimes all over the place, but the art itself is consistent and very well captures the characters' feelings and experiences).

The best manga are those that approach their storytelling like both a movie and a novel - they primarily use the visual medium to express movement or character emotion or visual symbolism, but they also make calculated use of monologue, thought bubbles, dialogue and narration as needed; in other words, they get the best of both worlds, film and literature, and choose from the visual or written medium wherever it is most appropriate, whichever technique best tells the story.

Having said all of that, my sentiments echo RoxFlowz's: I still find it difficult to pick up a random manga with bad art though.

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» quark1020 on August 3rd, 2013, 4:46pm

..... I couldn't have put it better my self.

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» Smillo on August 3rd, 2013, 1:34am

Mangas are read for there stories, and thus the artwork doesn`t matter as much.

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» strixflash on August 3rd, 2013, 3:57am

Quote from Smillo
Mangas are read for there stories, and thus the artwork doesn`t matter as much.


This. Artwork doesn't matters when the story is good...

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» Nyajinsky on August 3rd, 2013, 2:54am

I don't think that only great plot can save bad art. a manga with good plot and bad art is still good. Also, a manga with good plot and great art will stay good and bad plot with amazing art is still bad. To me, art doesn't matter at all. Well ok, it does matter a bit, but only anatomy. Anyway, there are not so many manga's with bad art. Only with different art (the exception proves the rule). It's not like manga artists try to draw realistic.

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» Hespia Klarerin on August 3rd, 2013, 3:11am

art comes in all shapes ans sizes. so frankly, unless art is so bad to the point where i can't recognize what the figures are, it's plot that matters

unless of course, it's hetai. thats a different story

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» ughman on August 3rd, 2013, 3:28am

Talk about Angel Densetsu, Yagi Norihiro's first serialized manga, the story so great but the art is so painful to see laugh . But his drawing skills is evolving to very fascinating from there to point on.

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» SinsI on August 3rd, 2013, 4:21am

My choice is Good Visuals with Average storytelling.

I really can't stand the generic look of girls that became so prevalent in anime and manga (i.e. Ro-Kyu-Bu, Fate/Prisma Ilya, Idolmaster, Lucky Star, anything Tohou and the like) - the character design is so unappealing to me it completely kills whatever worth the plot there is. I just can't get into the story enough to measure it!

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» zeusosphere on August 3rd, 2013, 3:13pm

THIS. I still wouldn't say I enjoyed the art all that much even in the final volumes (or even the first few of Claymore, but the story/plot - and most importantly the humor - more than made up for it. Other examples I could name off the top of my head include One Piece, Gokusen, MVP wa Yuzurenai and Tokyo Crazy Paradise (can you tell that that Nakamura Yoshiki is one of my favourite mangakas ever?), Flame of Recca and Rocket Princess (and I quite like Anzai too...) ... I'll even throw Glass Mask in there, even though I gave up on it after a few chapters once or twice (to be fair, I dislike shoujo romance in general).

On the other side of the scale, there are still plenty of manga by [a]Ellie Mamahara[/a] that I haven't read/finished, even though I absolutely love her art (not saying her plots are horrible, just... I drop series easily?). sad

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» ink junkie on August 3rd, 2013, 5:34am

I'll read even the bad stuff as long as there's something that interests me. Besides, bad stuff can be... entertaining. And certainly useful for writers.

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» weaklin6z on August 3rd, 2013, 5:39am

Shingeki no Kyojin anyone? biggrin

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» efre on August 8th, 2013, 6:25pm

Its art is nice imo, and supposed to be this way. Creepy titans are meant ti be creepy.

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» pyonk on August 3rd, 2013, 5:49am

I cant stand horrible story/plot, while ugly artwork can be forgiven with a great story/plot.

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» xxmichellexx27f on August 3rd, 2013, 8:24am

Nah, I'm kinda confused with this one, since even if the plot and artwork is good, It wont do if the way the author tell the story isn't good. And I would be fooling myself if I say artwork doesn't matter.. confused

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» kujika on August 3rd, 2013, 8:24am

In this case I gotta join the majority biggrin

I've tried all kind of mentioned combinations and I'll always read a manga to the end if I like the story and the plot makes sense.

Actually I'll even read not-so-good stories if I like the characters. Thus characters > story to me I guess.

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» Cryst on August 3rd, 2013, 11:49pm

How many of you who don't care about the art watched that anime "Aku no Hana"? wink

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» kujika on August 9th, 2013, 12:09pm

To me there's a difference between amateur-like or old school art and ... art that's just bad taste xD I kinda only saw the pictures on google though... not interested in that kind of shoujo at all. Ofc I have my limits - but I'll still drop a bad story with awful characters faster than a good story with bad art.

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» xTc on August 11th, 2013, 10:02pm

When did Aku no Hana become a shoujo?

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» mysstris on August 4th, 2013, 1:09am

Hands down great plot/story>bad artwork.

But generally, I can take anything except for terrible storytelling (and what genre as well). The best art can't make up for a terrible plot period.

Those who complain about art when the story is exceptional are shallow as heck. One example I can think of on the spot (since I recently reread it) is Dance Subaru. Let me tell you, the art was a mix of manga and realism--not a good combo but it provided the means of tension and intensity that the plot was bringing across.

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» Gradonil_Ral on August 4th, 2013, 1:41am

Great story overshadows bad art.
Bad art usually makes me reluctant to start reading the series, but once I see that the story is good, I don't pay much attention to the art. In fact, I often grow to like it too. (Well, mostly when it's more "original" than "bad", e.g.: One Piece or Ares.)

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» That3rdGuy on August 4th, 2013, 5:40pm

I'll take anything no matter how bad so long as I find it entertaining. For example, the original Onepunch Man (not the ones currently being released) has absolutely terrible art, but I still read it. I guess I do like rough artwork, like Alice in Hell and Dorohedoro, but not bad artwork. There is a difference bigrazz Manga where there isn't real images (like buildings in the background) in almost every panel is nice.

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» lynira on August 4th, 2013, 7:17pm

If the art is bad, I wouldn't consider reading it no matter the plot, so definitely not #1 for me. Average art with a great plot is a completely different story, but about bad art I don't have any tolerance. Bad drawing bothers me a lot, so if every page is an eyesore, then no story is good enough. I wouldn't go with #2 either, though--if the plot is so bad that I would end up only looking at the pretty pictures and not reading any of the words, I wouldn't say it wasn't enjoyable (I do love beautiful pictures), but at that point, I would consider the work to be just an artbook and not a real manga.

So that leaves the two midway options, but I don't have too much of a preference between them... I can deal with average art for a good story and vice-versa. I guess I will pick the one where the art's better, so I'll go with #4.

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» voraciouszest on August 5th, 2013, 4:06pm

If I wanted a great story without the great art to go with it, I'd read a book. To me, Manga has to at least look good. What's the point of reading a graphic novel otherwise?

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» Gradonil_Ral on August 6th, 2013, 5:53am

Quote from voraciouszest
If I wanted a great story without the great art to go with it, I'd read a book. To me, Manga has to at least look good. What's the point of reading a graphic novel otherwise?

A good story is all a book has going for it, if the story is bad, then the book is bad.
Manga has both the story and the art too choose from - if one is exceptional, then the other one doesn't have to be that good.

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» Cainam on August 6th, 2013, 6:20am

Great plot and story, the art doesn't really matter as long as I can grasp the situation. Angel Densetsu and Claymore are best example for "Great plot and story can cover bad artwork".

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» nin-nin on August 6th, 2013, 6:43am

This was a really fun poll!

It was a tough one for me, but I chose the great art with nonsensical plot in the end. Maybe that makes me a superficial person? I'd like to think it just points to my heightened sensitivity to the visual, aesthetic quality of a work (lol) laugh

Outside of these (definitely) imperfect options, a great plot and story is usually just as important to me as pleasing artwork and effective execution. Also, I have actually been put off different manga (mangas?) multiple times because of bad artwork, but from what I remember the plot of those manga wasn't great either... so really there was nothing to keep me reading anyway.

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» telepop on August 9th, 2013, 12:57pm

I love baby finger but I don't think it's necessarily bad art. It's a certain style and I think as soon as you start reading it it hooks you. I need great art for mediocre story lines but it doesn't last long. I get sad when art is really great but the sentence structure, and plot is so confusing and boring. Dengeki Daisy has kind of become that... sad

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» nakie08 on August 9th, 2013, 2:25pm

I would pick story because I think the art is there to make things easier for you to understand. So it's also hard to justify having a bad art that just gets in the way of the story. But If the story is bad I would just drop the manga no matter how good the art is. On the other hand I would just try to read on even if the art is bad if the story is worth it. But you won't know if you'll like the story if you won't pick it up because of bad art... It's hard to be a leech. So yeah, good story/bad art for me. It would be the other way around for H titles though...

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» kaizeru on August 9th, 2013, 8:33pm

For me, art comes first. And then the story. I'd drop the story if the artwork messed up halfway through, like Hunter X Hunter.

But if a mangaka that have only that kind of artwork, but the story is good, like initial D, Shingeki no Kyojin, I'd read them anytime. provided I have run out of mangas to read.

the manga must confirms with my eye first, then my brain.

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