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New Poll - Same-Sex Romances
This week's poll comes from our member BurningFish. You can't be both genders, so you really only have a possibility of 4 of the choices. Should just about cover all the bases... In case you're wondering, yaoi is both the most filtered and the most highlighted genre/demographic in our database.

Edit: Changed the language to reflect better choices due to popular demand. Vote again!

You can submit poll ideas here (and try to keep them manga/anime-related)
http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=3903

Previous Poll Results:
Question: Do you do physical exercise?
Choices:
Every day - votes: 1881 (14.4%)
On a weekly basis - votes: 2918 (22.3%)
On a monthly basis - votes: 347 (2.7%)
Sometimes... - votes: 4005 (30.6%)
Never - votes: 1665 (12.7%)
I tried but failed - votes: 2263 (17.3%)
There were 13079 total votes.
The poll ended: August 17th 2013

Gotta combat obesity. We need encouragement from the jocks
Posted by lambchopsil on August 17th 7:38am Comments ( 67 )  [ View ]  [ Add ]
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» calstine on August 17th, 2013, 12:55am

Girl, read both BL and GL, but only the ones that have an actual story and aren't just porn from beginning to end.

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» kaloo on August 17th, 2013, 12:55am

I dunno about lots, but I don't particularly avoid either of those. (I do have yoai highlighted, but I highlight lots of things)

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» bnad on August 17th, 2013, 1:03am

Yeah. While I don't really mind it in real life (we have a gay guy in our clique of 4 dude), I'm one of those straight dude who excluded the yaoi and shounen-ai genre in a search. But, I too excluded Yuri, shoujo ai, and gender bender. It just not my cup of tea.

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» Zwagon on August 17th, 2013, 1:42am

I avoid both, but that's more because I avoid most romance series.

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» ms_nobody on August 17th, 2013, 2:13am

I believe blacklisting a series because it has homosexuality is a bad decision.
There are gems in every genre, so people who do it miss a lot of good series.

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» strixflash on August 17th, 2013, 2:33am

I avoid all BL and GL series... Just can't bring myself to read such series. I might read shojo-ai in near future... but unlikely.

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» RoxFlowz on August 17th, 2013, 2:42am

I've read some shoujo-ai and even a bit shounen-ai, but I generally avoid them. I don't really mind it if it's homosexual side characters etc. but I dislike it if it's the main theme.
Not that I read that many series that consist solely of romance anyway. But as a guy I must admit that I'd rather read shoujo-ai.

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» xxmichellexx27f on August 17th, 2013, 2:51am

What if you don't mind to read them, but you don't read a lot of it...

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» whitespade on August 17th, 2013, 3:01am

i'm a typical fujoshi, i read loads and loads of yaoi. but in my defense, as a shotacon its so friggin hard to find straight shota - i really prefer that since that have far better plots, but beggars can't be choosers.

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» Narufan1st on August 17th, 2013, 3:31am

Quote from whitespade
i'm a typical fujoshi, i read loads and loads of yaoi. but in my defense, as a shotacon its so friggin hard to find straight shota - i really prefer that since that have far better plots, but beggars can't be choosers.

There's straight shota? o.o

I'm a fujoshi for life , I guess girls are more open minded than guys in general

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» WarriorKalia on August 17th, 2013, 6:07am

Quote from Narufan1st
There's straight shota? o.o

I'm a fujoshi for life , I guess girls are more open minded than guys in general


Not really. If you think about it, it's a fairly obvious and equal balance. If you ask the majority of heterosexual humans, they will be more tolerant of stories featuring romance between two members of the sex opposite them [meaning the sex they themselves find attractive] than a pair of the same sex.

Funnily enough though, homosexual males generally despise yaoi- it's too unrealistic, and not at all what they look for in their H-manga. Thus why the bara category exists. Men are attracted to other men because of their lack of feminine characteristics... so why would a gay guy want to date a feminine male if they idealize bears?

Eh. Suppose it works the same way with lesbians as well, but I don't hear much complaint about the lack of realism in yuri. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough?

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» evilcleo on August 19th, 2013, 3:39pm

Yuri is just as unrealistic as yaoi. And people who say there are more "ridiculous cliches" in yaoi than yuri are lying. Like, the feminine vs. masculine argument. They're present in both. I've read plenty of series of yuri where one has large breasts, long hair, and look like a girl while the love interest has short hair, is flat chested, and looks like a guy. Les or gay, mangakas like the contrast. And there's plenty more. "Conveniently located at all girls school" can just as easily become "conveniently located at an all-boys school."

Then again, if people are looking for realistic, they should stick to shounen-ai or shoujo-ai, which are way more accurate depictions of same sex relationships.

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» whitespade on August 17th, 2013, 11:18pm

Quote from Narufan1st
There's straight shota? o.o


of course. but it is generally for guys where the mother/older sister/ teacher etc is freakingly hot and voluptuous. i prefer the ones for girls where the guys are just so freaking cute but still have manly outlook, like yoru made matenai and Boku no Chikyuu o Mamotte.

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» Narufan1st on August 21st, 2013, 1:51pm

Quote from whitespade
of course. but it is generally for guys where the mother/older sister/ teacher etc is freakingly hot and voluptuous. i prefer the ones for girls where the guys are just so freaking cute but still have manly outlook, like yoru made matenai and Boku no Chikyuu o Mamotte.


I tried the first one and it was okay but the heroine really pissed me off with her crying so I stopped in chapter 1 and the boy was in elementary school none and she in high school, I would prefer shota with no sex and they're the same age like Gakuen Alice though it isn't really shota

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» SinsI on August 17th, 2013, 3:45am

It is OK as a one-time episodic sex experiment, but I don't like it then it escalates to the point of being a Romance.

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» pyonk on August 17th, 2013, 3:55am

Girl, and I hate both, but a light shonen-ai is okay.

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» sidzero on August 17th, 2013, 4:48am

The choices in this poll are all lies.

I'm a guy, and while I don't read yaoi or shonen-ai, and do read the occasional yuri or shojo-ai manga. Key words in that last part is "the occasional". The poll only gives the option of saying I either avoid both types, or read a lot of yuri/shojo-ai. I don't read a lot of it, but I do read some.

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» ink junkie on August 17th, 2013, 5:44am

I'm a guy, and I read a few of both types.

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» WarriorKalia on August 17th, 2013, 6:01am

I don't flock to either based on their tags- if anything, I suppose 'avoid' would be accurate. Thing is, I still read both demographics if the story looks interesting enough. I voted on the third one since I tend to read more shoujo-ai... I need to get started on Sasameki Koto again.

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» Damnedman on August 17th, 2013, 11:00am

I don't like how there's no choice for avoiding one but not the other. I only avoid yaoi but I don't read a lot of yuri either so all of the choices don't really fit. The latter choices should be avoiding x instead of reading a lot of x.

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» lambchopsil on August 17th, 2013, 11:12am

Edit: Changed the language to reflect better choices due to popular demand. Vote again!

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» sidzero on August 17th, 2013, 4:47pm

Much better. Thanks. smile

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» NightSwan on August 17th, 2013, 11:19am

Female, I read both.
I prefer same-sex couples to het.

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» yashihirou on August 17th, 2013, 11:20am

i read the poll once and directly vote. then realize i read it wrong. I thought it is about what do you always read and choose the second option. Then i re read again it is avoid -_- i should read something carefully.

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» Unknown on August 17th, 2013, 11:20am

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» connerity on August 17th, 2013, 11:24am

Just like in real life, I tolerate, but am also disgusted, by homosexual M/M relationships.
I tolerate, and am not digusted, but also not particularly interested, by F/F relationships.

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» mangafan321 on August 17th, 2013, 11:34am

it would have been more accurate if there was one poll per sex. one for girls and one for girls, instead of all in one. just my opinion though. =)

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» otaku_mel on August 17th, 2013, 11:37am

It's the third choice for me. I'm one diehard fujoshi, but I have nothing against yuri/shoujo-ai. Just not my cup of tea, I suppose.

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» butako chan on August 17th, 2013, 12:53pm

I guess for each gender there is a demographic that likes reading about homosexual couples that are of the opposite sex. For most people, if they are straight themselves, they would probably avoid reading about their own gender in a homo relationship (I feel awkward at least). I have stumbled upon some yuri/shoujo ai (with a nice plot/storyline) that I have enjoyed though...

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» Kiks on August 18th, 2013, 2:32pm

Quote from butako chan
I guess for each gender there is a demographic that likes reading about homosexual couples that are of the opposite sex. For most people, if they are straight themselves, they would probably avoid reading about their own gender in a homo relationship (I feel awkward at least). I have stumbled upon s ...


I guess so, the only problem is that I've never ever heard of guys going mad over yuri or such things, but girls.....well let's just say girls go a bit too crazy XD

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» yarn on August 18th, 2013, 7:00pm

Quote from Kiks
I guess so, the only problem is that I've never ever heard of guys going mad over yuri or such things, but girls.....well let's just say girls go a bit too crazy XD

That's because guys have hardcore ecchi and hentai and lolicon to go rabid over. There's not that much hentai aimed at female readers (and no loli, and very, very little shotacon - tho I'm not interested in it myself) and smut usually isn't very hardcore. So yaoi it is.

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» forgottenone666 on August 17th, 2013, 2:05pm

I'm a guy and I read both.

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» Venus_Vortex on August 17th, 2013, 4:26pm

I'm a girl, and I avoid only yaoi/shounen-ai

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» MitzumiKare on August 17th, 2013, 10:19pm

I'm a girl and read both but good yuri that isn't just schoolgirl lesbians or smut is hard to find. /sobs

I would like a poll to see how this correlates to sexuality but I think the amount of sexual choices [I'm bi/het/homo/omni/pan/asex/attracted to puddles of liquid and read yuri/het/yaoi/no romance and I'm a boy/girl/magical furry] may just break the poll....

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» whitespade on August 17th, 2013, 11:13pm

dang, the new poll does not really do it for me. i don't avoid yuri/shoujo-ai, but i certainly read yaoi/shounen-ai the most.

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» alexdhamp on August 18th, 2013, 8:33am

I'm a guy and I avoid both. There are exceptions if I wonder into them by chance, though. For example, I'm a huge fan of Anne Rice's Vampire Chronicles and it's Lestat character...and he's about as pan-sexual as they come(especially in Tale of the Body Thief).

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» Pebble_ on August 18th, 2013, 9:47am

Girl, and completely addicted to yaoi.
I love yuri too, but there are a lot less yuri so it's harder to find good ones.

Quote from NightSwan
I prefer same-sex couples to het.

Yep, same here.

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» Spawnblade on August 18th, 2013, 10:59am

**Meant to reply to the whole thread, not to a specific post. Oops.*

I avoid all literature that has a focus on same-sex romance (if it happens to be one of a harem's paths/ a subplot for a secondary character, that's fine.) It's not because I see anything wrong with it--though the way it's portrayed in most Yaoi is rather tasteless to me (I don't read smut either)--but because I simply cannot relate with a character who happens to swing that way. It's the same reason I don't read books/manga with only a female lead. I can't relate to them--and if I can't relate to the main character I find it incredibly difficult to get into the story.

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» kayue on August 18th, 2013, 11:50am

I'm female, and one of those that highlights yaoi. Funny note. wink
I don't particularily seek out yuri, but don't mind it. Haven't read any thing yuri that wasn't a light comedy yet.

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» tekiteki on August 18th, 2013, 1:30pm

i'm a girl and i like and highlight both, though better choices are among huge BL category. At first i only liked BL, but then my morality went downhill and I started to drool over GL stories also roll eyes Now I even read guro sometimes (those with touching stories ^^; ). Omg, I wouldn't believe it..well..17 years ago laugh

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» Cthylla on August 18th, 2013, 1:49pm

I am a girl that seeks yuri/GL and avoids yaoi. I generally skip over sex scenes though.

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» sagesmith on August 18th, 2013, 4:54pm

Guy - I read both. Aside from guro (bleh) I'll basically read any manga if it's worth it. smile wink grin

Quote from WarriorKalia
Funnily enough though, homosexual males generally despise yaoi- it's too unrealistic, and not at all what they look for in their H-manga. Thus why the bara category exists. Men are attracted to other men because of their lack of feminine characteristics... so why would a gay guy want to date a feminine male if they idealize bears?

Eh. Suppose it works the same way with lesbians as well, but I don't hear much complaint about the lack of realism in yuri. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough?


I might not count, having some bisexual tendencies, but it's true. I like yaoi and I read it often (I read all manga often) and I own quite a few, but if the boys are too girlie then it's not even yaoi to me anymore, it's just a manly man with a cry baby useless girl who happens to have a penis (which is sometimes also very questionable.) Bara is my thing. When they finally start printing that into the mainstream manga I will buy that **** up!

As for yuri it's usually done really well! At least I don't have any complaints. It's like more thought out than most yaoi manga some times. It's not just about the sex but the emotion behind it too! Yuri is definitely more about characterization (not that there isn't good yaoi, just not as much as yuri). I love reading yuri. bigrazz

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» deadphoenix on August 22nd, 2013, 9:30am

It's a rarity that a bara manga gets licensed, maybe ones a year.
Their aren't that many good bara mangas, so this might be the reason for it.
The good news is that a good bara manga is released in a couple weeks. wink

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» butako chan on August 25th, 2013, 3:36pm

The genre of bara is for gay men by gay men...Just saying.

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» blazz on August 18th, 2013, 5:13pm

Otaku here, and I like the craziest stuff, love yuri and avoid yaoi, but only because it pisses me of how much hotter yaoi is than most yuri. If I had enough good yuri, yaoi wouldn't be a problem for me, so It's like I'm on strike (good that there are other people like me, judging from the amount of filtering), if a yaoi work depicts some hot guys really having fun and not moaning for the pleasure of girl readers then I might find it ok, but it's rare. So let me say it again: I want yuri to be as hot and as popular as yaoi and then I might open up for the other side.

Outside of erotica I despise giving any attention to characters' sexual orientation.

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» Xeronia on August 18th, 2013, 6:16pm

I'm a (straight) girl who avoids both. Nothing against homosexuals in general, I'm just not very interested in reading homosexual stories (and I don't like most of the romance stories I've read either, actually).

Perhaps we should also distinguish between straight/gay/bi in addition to distinguishing people by gender, but that would make the poll a bit long.

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» auriga on August 18th, 2013, 6:44pm

I actually find it harder to vote now that the choices have been changed. bigrazz

Anyways, I'm a guy and I read yuri/shoujo-ai. The demographics still play a huge role for me, though; I avoid yaoi but I am open to male-oriented shounen-ai (like Prunus Girl), and I'm not very fond of female-oriented shoujo-ai.

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» yarn on August 18th, 2013, 6:55pm

According to the results so far... there are about 3x more open-minded girls than boys.

I voted for "girl who reads both." Not that I particularly seek out GL series, but neither am I avoidant of it, and will read the occasional shoujo-ai.

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» hammertalkers on August 18th, 2013, 6:59pm

poll was huge. I read alot of yuri and not really yaoi, but then I guess trap counted as yaoi and I've read some of those. Wasn't sure which one to pick and end up picking "read both".

The poll was worded weirdly. I think it would have been better to just let people pick "what they read" instead of "what they avoid". Negative connotation like that in polls creates poll bias.

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» Saons on August 18th, 2013, 7:23pm

I put "I'm a girl, and I avoid both types". This sounds like I'm close-minded, but in truth I hate reading yaoi/yuri because I find them typically more offensive to the LGBT than other types of manga are to their corresponding demographic (harem, ecchi, etc). They're offensive to me because I feel that most belittle guy-guy/girl-girl relationships. In yaoi there are typically those ridiculous seme-uke relationships that I abhor (yaoi hands anyone?). I just get irritated more than anything. Yuri are typically just light hentai, or so I've found so far. That isn't to say that I haven't read yaoi/yuri or I will never read them in the future. I've read quite a few good yaoi/yuri, and many manga with these side-genres done very well (Cheese in the Trap for example). It will just take a lot of praise from a yaoi/yuri series for me to try it out!

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» RayeSesshyFan on August 18th, 2013, 7:31pm

I'm a girl and I read both. Best of all worlds, I say.

But in all seriousness: While they are not closely to the LGBT relationships, these are fantasies, plain and simple. Try as I might to steer away from the "who's on top/bottom", it's there. The usual feminine male cast as the uke in the yaoi/shounen-ai makes me mad too, believe me. It really does, but there are those that are NOT like that. I've found some really great gems the past years. Are they best? Some are, some aren't. We all different tastes and it keeps changing. There's even newer works that have ACTUAL men going at it. They have hair where men should and not be all smooth.

Also, I have actually been put off by some, both yaoi/shounen-ai and yuri/shoujo-ai simply because I couldn't stand it or didn't like the characters. Sometimes even the sex scenes make me go "Okaaay", which are usually the hardcore ones. Not all are hardcore, despite what others may say/you might think. While I don't mind bondage, some were just not part of my tastes.

To end: I read those WITH plot mostly and when I need some PWP fun, I also read those.

(Yuri/shoujo-ai needs a lot of love though. Compared to a battleship courier like Yaoi/Shounen-ai, it's a small motorboat. Yes, you saw what I did there bigrazz )

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» haohao229900 on August 18th, 2013, 8:05pm

I'm a guy and I sort of avoid yuri/shoujo-ai? Well, I shouldn't say this because I haven't read any yuri/shoujo-ai yet, but in my mind, I think that it would just be like ecchi with romance between same sex. I believe that I'm wrong, but I still haven't tried it out yet. On a side note I'm read quite a lot of yaoi/shounen-ai that you can consider me a fundanshi :3

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» TheLittleE on August 19th, 2013, 4:28am

Hard poll.

If it is bara I avoid it like the plague. I dislike shounen-ai as well; however, crossdressing and shota yaoi is fine for me most of the time.

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» bnad on August 19th, 2013, 6:13am

I'm seriously questioning the logic behind, "if you don't read it, then you're a close minded person". Do we really need to heavily discuss the fallacy of that statement? What about a simple reason, that he or she just not into it. Or are we gonna start labeling close minded to everyone now. To a vegetarian for not eating meat, and then move to something bigger. Like crystal meth and coke. For missing the fun and great adventure of those things entitled.

Yeah, because people who isn't into drugs or meat is such a close minded people. I know, right?

I'm a straight men, who doesn't like reading yaoi or yuri... and echi, harem, shoujo, horror or mecha. It just not my cup of tea. After 27 years living in this godforsaken place called earth, I think I know my preference for manga and anime. And I believe you do to. If you like yaoi and yuri, I'm okay with it. And maybe one day in real life, you might meet a real life gay men, who kinda like me, I mean the not reading the yaoi and yuri stuff. You probably wanna hold off with the close minded bigot tags.

His name is Warren. He's my friend. He's a doctor. He watch EPL religiously, idolize Edgar Davids, an amazing friend and apparently very fond of sleeping with dudes. And you know what, he said he'll be okay with my weird habit of sleeping with girl (aka my wife).

Since you know... people are just that.

Different.

Mahalo.

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» Humza on August 19th, 2013, 8:53am

Before reading manga I guess I was a homophobe, but manga has taught me tolerance there are loads of yaoi side characters in manga and anime that I like, one good example would be the dude from TTguren lagan.
Saying all that, I still avoid yaoi and shounen ai because I'm just not into it.
The way I see it ,straight guys like straight romance and yuri.
Girls like straight and yaio.
There are exceptions in there somewhere obviously.

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» -shiratori- on August 19th, 2013, 9:37am

I'm a guy and I avoid both. I can't relate to same-sex romance and it just doesn't do anything for me.

I think it's pretty bad to equate shounen/shoujo ai and yaoi/yuri though since yaoi/yuri is usually just porn while shounen/shoujo ai is not.

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» Caiman on August 19th, 2013, 10:10am

I suppose I'm one of those unusual straight girls who likes yuri, and not yaoi. There are a lot more yuri series (or maybe because the genre is less frequently translated, it's easier to find) that have more realism and a more gender-balanced cast.

What annoys me about yaoi is that I feel the lack of females is really blatant. From the first time I ever tried to read yaoi, I thought, "This seems like some female mangaka/readers got tired of being jealous of fictional women." At that point, I just could not take it seriously. Maybe I focus too much on plot in a genre that is clearly meant as fan service.

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» Aijin-of-Iwa on August 19th, 2013, 11:19am

I guess this is where I come in and teach you all a lesson about gender bigrazz
Though it may not be very known, there are actually people who are both genders, or no gender, or a mix, or something else. Generally known as genderqueers.
Anyway, I guess I'd have to pick "guy who reads a lot of both", though I do read less than before.

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» mysstris on August 20th, 2013, 3:38am

There's also something I recently learned called "preferred gender pronoun" where people who may appear the to be one sex but actually prefer to be called the opposite sex eg a girl prefers he as a pronoun to refer to "herself"

Of course it can also be used for genderqueers (not sure if i'm not using it correctly but I think it's ok), IS people, neutrals, etc.

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» Aijin-of-Iwa on August 20th, 2013, 3:56am

Yes. Sometimes a person's gender and biological sex aren't the same and therefore they prefer to use pronouns that fit with who they fell they are, and not depending on their biological sex. Some even prefer gender neutral pronouns that don't include he or she. Gender is more complicated than most cisgender people think. eyes You can visit this page for an introduction on gender issues (and read the comments!):
http://sites.psu.edu/kaitlynstocker/2013/02/07/ci-introduction-to-g ender-issues/

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» mysstris on August 20th, 2013, 3:25am

Is it just me or do a lot of people want to stress that they only read a few of one/both types?

I think this poll is more of a yes or no question. To say that the options mean yes as in "HELL YES" is wrong in my opinion. If you read one or the other or both even a little, I'd say that's a yes (especially if you end up sitting there thinking how to answer after just reading through all the options)

Some people are saying that saying you avoid both types is closed minded and sure I think that's true. But I also think that given the circumstances of the world as well as biology, I understand why there is close minded-ness. Let's face it, if mainstream media, pop culture, books, etc aren't representing it, people aren't going to be so accepting of it no matter how many laws you pass. But, considering how limited people are exposed to homosexuality in the world, I think manga is a great window to have some exposure considering the lack of representation of the LGBTQ community.

Well anyways, I'm a girl and I read both depending on the storyline but it's not on the main menu since I search by genres and I'm a shoujo/josei manga reader a majority of the time.

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» Narufan1st on August 20th, 2013, 6:40am

This is still confusing, I read shoujo ai if the story is good and i don't let the demographic ruin me enjoying a nice manga but I don't really like shoujo ai and i don't like bara either though im a yaoi fangirl and i prefer shounen ai to yaoi its just that most good BL manga's are yaoi

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» RattixEmpire on August 20th, 2013, 7:42am

I just look for a good plot and realistic relationships, though the realistic ones are few and far between and I frequently have to sacrifice quality when I get too bored. I don't like many of the yuri's because the majority of them are written for guys who find gay female relationships attractive.

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» chrum on August 22nd, 2013, 1:00pm

I like shounen-ai (as long as it's not completely unrealistic) but at the same time I hate yaoi. Same goes to a straight hentai though. I don't mind sex being implied (Banana Fish might be a good example) but it really dislike the scenes being drawn, and it's doesn't matter whether it's yaoi, yuri or hentai.
When it comes to yuri/shoujo-ai.. well that's funny. I'm a bisexual girl and I can't bring myself to reading any of them. Soujo-ai seems a bit too naive, probably the same way shounen-ai is to boys.
I guess I'm more of a "romance/shoujo/josei" reader.

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» Narufan1st on August 22nd, 2013, 1:06pm

Quote from chrum
I like shounen-ai (as long as it's not completely unrealistic) but at the same time I hate yaoi. Same goes to a straight hentai though. I don't mind sex being implied (Banana Fish might be a good example) but it really dislike the scenes being drawn, and it's doesn't matter whether it's yaoi, yuri o ...

Yaoi and yuri is different from Hentai, It's like somehow less than smutty but still smutty shoujo when Hentai is sex sex sex more sex then go back and have some more sex, I prefer shounen ai to yaoi but there are only few good shounen ai so I just skip over the sex scenes for yaoi but you can't skip over Hentai sex scenes as the whole manga is just sex!

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» chrum on August 24th, 2013, 1:10pm

Quote from Narufan1st
so I just skip over the sex scenes for yaoi but you can't skip over Hentai sex scenes as the whole manga is just sex!

And that's just what makes it worse. I wouldn't touch hentai exactly because of it being, to put it simply, porn. While in yaoi you can sometimes get into the plot, just to find yourself histericaly flapping pages, and then realizing, that some of the important talk happened midway..

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