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This week's poll is from the mind of our member whatnot, although some of the more outrageous choices are mine (for completeness, I guess). If you had an idea for something, what would be your ideal medium of entertainment for your creation? Let's assume that money is not an issue, that you can get all the necessary staff, and you do not personally need any skill in making music, acting, animating, etc (that's what your hirelings are for!)

You can submit poll ideas here (and try to keep them manga/anime-related)
http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=3903

Previous Poll Results:
Question: Bullying in manga...
Choices:
Helps with character development, so let's have it - votes: 1243 (12%)
It's realistic and has a place in manga - votes: 2926 (28.4%)
Bullies are fine since they'll get what's coming to them - votes: 1154 (11.2%)
It's too unrealistic and cliche - votes: 1768 (17.1%)
It's unpleasant, so don't show bullying in manga - votes: 624 (6%)
Don't care - votes: 2602 (25.2%)
There were 10317 total votes.
The poll ended: October 12th 2013

Now how many of us have actually experienced bullying...
Posted by lambchopsil on October 12th 8:21am Comments ( 43 )  [ View ]  [ Add ]
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» SinsI on October 12th, 2013, 3:14am

Really depends on the type of story.
I can cheat and answer "game", because games can be any of the other medium as well (except for theatrical play)

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» quark1020 on October 12th, 2013, 2:51pm

I dunno, wouldn't be hard with a kinect. Not sure about "good" or "fun", but definitely doable.

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» 狂気 on October 12th, 2013, 4:11am

I'd most likely be writing novel or theatre. I could also imagine myself writing radio drama (drama CD). Nonetheless I voted for live-action TV. Had I the skills, money and staff, I'd love to do a TV miniseries.

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» Fantasier on October 12th, 2013, 7:41am

Hmm, it would be something so friggin drama and tear-jerking. Something like 5 Centimeters per Second (Anime), in a form of musical would be awesome I guess.

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» Raine-san on October 12th, 2013, 7:43am

A novel.
But i'd love if it could become an animated movie!

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» bnad on October 12th, 2013, 8:02am

A romcom movie... wait I've done that already...so...

Novel. Full fledged fantasy novel. Something in the scope of Ice and Fire saga. My own magnum opus.

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» FullArmageddon on October 12th, 2013, 8:02am

Where's the Visual Novel option?
And don't say that it falls under the "Game" category, because it doesn't.

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» 狂気 on October 12th, 2013, 12:17pm

Quote from FullArmageddon
Where's the Visual Novel option?
And don't say that it falls under the "Game" category, because it doesn't.

If you also interpreted "Game" as "Video game", which is likely correct, then what's your basis in saying visual novel is an exception? Visual novel is a video game, that's why it falls under the category of video game. It seems you have a very simple minded idea of what a video game is if you can't fit visual novel in it. With that logic you wouldn't fit many others either—if you were familiar with them.

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» FullArmageddon on October 12th, 2013, 3:03pm

You're saying all visual novels are video games? Have you ever read a visual novel before? Because it sure as hell sounds like you haven't, so maybe you shouldn't be talking about things you're not familiar with. Are you saying visual novels are video games because you can only read them on a computer? Sounds like you have a very simple minded idea of what a video game is. A game is something you PLAY. I don't remember ever playing Planetarian, Saya no Uta, Narcissu, or Mahoutsukai no Yoru. I just read it. Sure, there are games that are also considered visual novels like Sengoku Rance and Tears to Tiara, but those are a minority. If you wanted choices that could encompass every possible sub-category for the poll, then the first 7 choices should just be reduced to Comic, Novel, Movie, and TV Show. I mean, movie encompasses live-action and animated right? If those are separated, then why is something as drastically different as a 3D video game and a visual novel not separated? Where's your logic in that?

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» 狂気 on October 13th, 2013, 12:48am

I'm not underestimating visual novels. Sure, many visual novels are closer to light novels than racing games for example, but you miss my point. The variety of video games is huge. I understand visual novels are very varied too, but you don't seem to understand the variety of video games. Saying some visual novels are video games but others are not is not practical. And all other video games are not similar enough to only pick out visual novels from the definition. What about graphic adventures and text adventures? Dating sim, TRPG, space/combat flight sim and audio games?

Can you put all of them under the same category? Of course you can. You have to limit the options available and separating only visual novel from video games is very biased. You want to make a visual novel? Choose "Game" and leave a comment. You want to make a city building sim? Choose "Game" and leave a comment. No point in having dozens of 0.x% options in the poll.

The distinction between animated and live-action would generally be unnecessary, but considering the audience 'tis not. I do think separating eastern and western graphic novels isn't necessary though. Mostly it would mean manga and you can always comment if you want to emphasize the distinctive style (which might be so also between different styles of manga).

Also how does "Game" (or "video game") become "3D video game" when you exclude visual novel? This further elaborates the view that you have a simple minded idea of a video game. It doesn't need to be 3D or even 2D.

I do understand your point though, but the point of this poll is elsewhere.

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» KaoriNite on October 12th, 2013, 10:52pm

Quote from FullArmageddon
Where's the Visual Novel option?
And don't say that it falls under the "Game" category, because it doesn't.


could a visual novel be considered a graphic novel?

My first choice would probably be a novel. This might seem strange since I rarely read novels, but I've written short stories before. (I also used to write poetry without having any interest in reading other poets works). My second choice would be a live-action TV show. I'd consider doing an animated show if the story is a fantasy one, because then I wouldn't have to worry about whether the special effects look realistic or not.

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» BlackOrion on October 12th, 2013, 10:18am

I have several ideas suitable for many mediums.

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» Nyajinsky on October 12th, 2013, 10:33am

I was going to say manga, but...

right now, I'm in disney phase, and recently I also saw Lotr animated, and I thought, wow, that's horrible. So I was beginning to imagine how I would do that, animated. So yeah. Also, an original animated movie would be great. but 2d, not 3d. not because of skills.

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» Damnedman on October 12th, 2013, 12:22pm

Definitely a game. With unlimited budget, a game would create an interactive experience like none other. A plot with infinite possibilities and choices would be amazing.

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» whatnot on October 16th, 2013, 1:23pm

Quote from Damnedman
Definitely a game. With unlimited budget, a game would create an interactive experience like none other. A plot with infinite possibilities and choices would be amazing.


+1
I agree biggrin

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» forgottenone666 on October 12th, 2013, 1:36pm

Definitely game. I'm a gamer through and through and as such all of my ideas tend to be geared towards the gaming medium. It would be awesome to be able to create any game I could think of without restrictions.

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» tactics on October 12th, 2013, 2:54pm

I went for animated movie, mainly because it's the field I sort of work in, so it makes sense in my head.

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» mysstris on October 12th, 2013, 4:20pm

Hm....this one is really hard considering my enjoyment of multiple forms of media......

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» bnad on October 12th, 2013, 10:01pm

Quote from mysstris
Hm....this one is really hard considering my enjoyment of multiple forms of media......


I think it's not about your favorite type of medium, but the most suitable medium for your story. Consider this, while Game Of Thrones is an awesome series, but a lot of people believe it wouldn't be as popular as today if GRRM started the saga on TV instead of written novel.

And the thing is, it was a very possible scenario since GRRM was a actually TV writer (Twilight Zone).

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» SilverStorm on October 12th, 2013, 6:11pm

I really had to think hard about this one. But if I really could make the "perfect" whatever, I'd choose a TV series. It would be extremely well plot out (no filler moments), great actors, and have a definite end. Every moment would be guaranteed to be intense!

Though, realistically speaking with my abilities and circumstances, I'd probably only be able to write a novel or a mildly crappy art manga.

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» yugomugo on October 13th, 2013, 1:03am

It all depends on the story. Sometimes it works better as a movie, game or whatever. There is no such thing as an absolute medium when it comes to entertainment, you have to adapt to time and audience.
Let's say Tekken was supposed to be a book at first. It could be done if the author's skilled, but its current game form is obviously the optimal.

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» Mikashi on October 13th, 2013, 7:36am

Well, a novel first. So I have everything planned out (I'm in the midst of doing that for one of my many projects, called "The Engraved".)
After that's finished I plan on drawing a comic version of it (I already did that with the prelude of the novel, but I plan on redrawing it >.>...)
And while I'd like to see it animated or live-action, I know it's probably never going to happen so I won't get my hopes up XD.

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» That3rdGuy on October 14th, 2013, 5:43am

WTF is a drama cd? If it's just some crap where people are recorded trying to act, we kinda of got out of that around the 1950's radio shows.

If I had an original story to write, I'd use the medium of a book. Comics are for kids, same goes for manga. IDGAF what anyone says, but it's pretty much the trust. At the very least, they're made for immature minds that need pictures because too much text bores them (that does include me, but I do read more books than manga, by far). If I were to write a story, pictures couldn't depict the twisted shit that flows forth from this mind if mine. If they somehow could, most stores wouldn't sell it.

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» 狂気 on October 14th, 2013, 8:51am

Quote from That3rdGuy
WTF is a drama cd? If it's just some crap where people are recorded trying to act, we kinda of got out of that around the 1950's radio shows.

You know what TV drama is, right? Basically a TV program excluding variety shows, reality TV, news, sports and such. Radio drama is pretty much the same except on radio. Monologue/dialogue, sound, music. Drama CD is radio drama that's released on CD. Many light novels and manga can get a drama CD version which is usually unrelated to the main storyline.

Some random drama CD's and links to the corresponding manga: Bamboo Blade, Boku no Chikyuu o Mamotte, Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai, Gintama, Inu Yasha, Mekakushi no Kuni, Taishou Yakyuu Musume, Yandere Kanojo.

Here's the (alas, very incomplete) list of manga adapted to drama CD: http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?category=Adapted+t o+Drama+CD

Your claim that manga is for children is idiotic. With your reasoning motion picture and theatre are for little children. It doesn't require much of a mind to be able to read books. There are plenty of both immature and mature books—same goes with manga. It's you who comes out as immature, or perhaps just ignorant.

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» KaoriNite on October 14th, 2013, 6:49pm

Quote from That3rdGuy
WTF is a drama cd? If it's just some crap where people are recorded trying to act, we kinda of got out of that around the 1950's radio shows.


I've always wondered why there are drama CDs too. It does seem old school, but I guess this is for when they can't afford to make an anime or movie out of the story. I wonder how popular they are in Japan though, because I don't think they would be popular in the west.

Quote from That3rdGuy
Comics are for kids, same goes for manga. IDGAF what anyone says, but it's pretty much the trust. At the very least, they're made for immature minds that need pictures because too much text bores them...


I know you don't care what I think, but comics and manga aren't just for kids. Maybe the ones you read are only targeted for younger audiences, but you definitely can't say that seinen, josei, or hentai are for kids. They are for people who appreciate having artwork along with their stories, rather than just for people who can't or don't want to read a lot of words.

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» kaloo on October 14th, 2013, 9:48pm

The real question is what's the difference between a drama CD and a Radio Show. I mean in general they're umbrella'd under the term "Audio Drama"

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» 狂気 on October 15th, 2013, 7:03am

Quote from kaloo
The real question is what's the difference between a drama CD and a Radio Show. I mean in general they're umbrella'd under the term "Audio Drama"

They're both audio drama. Their names already tell you the difference. Drama CD is released on CD and Radio drama on radio. Kind of like the difference between OVA and TV anime.

Quote from KaoriNite
I've always wondered why there are drama CDs too. It does seem old school, but I guess this is for when they can't afford to make an anime or movie out of the story.

Often there are both. Look at my examples. Gintama has manga, anime of several hundred episodes, specials, movies. Drama CD's are awesome—they're in not really old school. You could as well be saying books are ancient history because nowadays we have television.

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» KaoriNite on October 16th, 2013, 6:55pm

Quote from 狂気
Quote from KaoriNite
I've always wondered why there are drama CDs too. It does seem old school, but I guess this is for when they can't afford to make an anime or movie out of the story.

Often there are both. Look at my examples. Gintama has manga, anime of several hundred episodes, specials, movies. Drama CD's are awesome?they're in not really old school. You could as well be saying books are ancient history because nowadays we have television.


Well they're old school in the US. In the past, before TV, people would tell stories on the radio. Now that there is TV, these types of radio programs don't exist anymore in America. Some people do listen to books on tape, but this is a little different (I think), and they aren't very popular. Obviously, books are different since many people still read them.

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» Pikapu on October 15th, 2013, 7:23am

I would love to write a song someday. (:

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» gwkimmy on October 15th, 2013, 10:02pm

where would a music video fall under? i dunno, that was my first thought and i voted for live-action movie, even though in my intended future career i'd love to write novels XD

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» pyonk on October 16th, 2013, 1:19am

A novel.
Which it would be adaptated into manga, anime, live action, drama cd, theatrical play etc.

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» FormX on October 16th, 2013, 1:56am

What about drawings/pictures/images/art...

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» 狂気 on October 16th, 2013, 8:04am

The question was about a story. Even if a painting has a story behind it, it's not a story in itself. The same goes for music videos (@gwkimmy). If you mean something like Miyazaki's music video for Chage & Asuka song On Your Mark, it would fall under "animated movie".

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» gwkimmy on October 16th, 2013, 8:19am

i think paintings and pictures are completely capable of telling stories on their own, like picasso's guernica. it's a little unfortunate that option wasn't included in the poll, but oh well, you can't have it all.

by music video i meant the ones that are shown on like, MTV. lol. i was thinking something along the lines of green day's wake me up when september ends video, kinda like a short film with a narrative soundtrack. media is so broad, it's really impossible to include all the choices biggrin

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» 狂気 on October 16th, 2013, 12:22pm

If the music video is a short film or animated short, you know what to vote for—if it's just choreography or MTV stuff, then it's not a story. There's a story behind guernica, but as I said, it's not a story per se. Painting's are beside the point.

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» FormX on October 16th, 2013, 8:27pm

Quote from 狂気
The question was about a story. Even if a painting has a story behind it, it's not a story in itself.

Are you serious? Also notice I used plural.

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» 狂気 on October 17th, 2013, 1:10am

Quote from FormX
Are you serious? Also notice I used plural.

Your plural doesn't change anything except if you meant a series of paintings. Your list gives an impression of "drawings/pictures/images/art" in general as opposed to a specific piece of art. If you take for example ancient Egyptian art, it clearly does tell a story. But it's a series of picture, something akin to a graphic novel without dialogue.

If this is what you meant then make it clear first. If it is not, then you still haven't given a single valid argument—actually, you haven't given any argument at all—to support your view.

Unless you tell what you are talking about cynic comments such as "Are you serious?" are nothing but trolling.

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» gwkimmy on October 17th, 2013, 1:07pm

whoah, chillax. in the end, all art, including storytelling, is subjective and can be told through whatever medium anyone desires. brevity and limit of a medium have absolutely nothing to do with how it can tell a story. after all, ernest hemingway managed to create a story with only six words. obviously this poll must be limited for practical purposes. there's really nothing to argue here.

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» FormX on October 17th, 2013, 4:19pm

Quote from 狂気
If this is what you meant then make it clear first. If it is not, then you still haven't given a single valid argument?actually, you haven't given any argument at all?to support your view.

There is no need - it's pretty obvious that art in general can tell a story if intended, and this is what the poll is about. Which is why I wondered if you were serious at all.

Edit: Actually you appear to be the troll here; why would you start attacking this in the first place when you yourself gave the example you so desperately seek of? I didn't make an argument because debating whether the sky is blue during midterm season was not worth my time. It's also off topic. I guess I shouldn't have fed you in the beginning.

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» 狂気 on October 18th, 2013, 3:27am

Quote from FormX
There is no need - it's pretty obvious that art in general can tell a story if intended, and this is what the poll is about. Which is why I wondered if you were serious at all.

There is no need for what? Once again you failed to make any argument at all. What are you even responding to? Did you even read what I wrote? I hear "feeding the troll" is not very smart so this is my last response on the subject unless you manage to come out with anything better.

Quote from gwkimmy
there's really nothing to argue here.

That's a baseless statement. It's of the holy trinity of the art of polls so of course there is.

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» GuttedGnome on October 18th, 2013, 5:27am

I would make a game. A free roaming open world RPG to be more exact. To be even more exact. A life simulator where you take control of your character you made and live his or her life.
The setting:
It's set in a dark high fantasy world during late summer of year 51 of the 15th era or year 1551. It is the beginning of the Raven war in the Empire. The Raven war is a internal conflict of a clan on who to take the seat of clan head as the previous one died without a strong heir. However, this conflict pulled the entire Empire and all its clans into the conflict dividing it into two. 12 major clans and 43 minor clans battling it out. A total of 63 million troops. You say total war? I say yes, indeed.
You would start in a tavern. You'd wake up as you hear screams of terror filling the village and fire raging through the tavern. As you get out of the tavern you find the sky lit up by fire arrows and larger projectiles flung everywhere. You'll see two massive armies (approximately 500.000 each) and the village is in the middle of the battle. No one cares about civilian casualties.
Well, anyway, as you get away the goal is up to the player. If you want to stop the war you can do that. Take advantage of it by plunder and/or exploitation also works. Live a simple farmer's life? Can do. Merchant? Blacksmith? Hunter? Beggar? Thief? Mercenary? Tavern owner? Housewife/man? Wizard? Prostitute? Pimp? It is all okay. biggrin
The war will always have the same outcome unless you join in on it yourself which you then can have some influence on the outcome. By outcome i mean that the same side will always win. Anything in between can happen differently. In your first playthrough one battle may happen at the beginning of year 53 and in the next it might be the end of the same year instead or maybe it never actually happen or even 10 years later.
Your character will of course age by the year. So when your character turn 50 he/she will look somewhat like 50.

As for how the game works. Stairs, hills, slopes etc all have an animation instead of showing the same running or walking animation.
The amount of weapons, cloths and armors will be quite massive (50-ish weapons one-handed two-handed and ranged. 6-ish types for each armor tier with 10-ish designs and tons of shields and cloths) with each weapon having their own animations and each armor tier (cloths, light, medium, heavy) having their own animations as well (heavy would be hard to run in and women wouldn't be able to walk like on a catwalk in them) while light armor would be more agile but not as much movement as clothing or being in the nude. Medium would be in between light and heavy.
There'd be heavy character creation as well as a randomize button and presets. The randomize button would of course be within reason and not give you a character without a chin, a 2 feet long nose, alien eyes, mouth without lips and wearing boxers with heart patterns, diving fins, a clown nose and chocking pink liberty spikes for hair.

as for the leveling. Elder Scrolls style I guess with each level giving you points to put into Strength, Dexterity, Constitution, Intelligence, Wisdom, Charisma and Perception.
What I mean by Elder Scrolls style is that using a sword will make you better with it as you use it just as running will make you better at running and jumping will make you better at jumping etc etc...
Perks will be unlocked as you level your skills while putting points in attributes unlock what you can use. Don't want to see a scholar with strength of 5 to wear heavy full plate armor flinging a giant halberd around like it's a toothpick.

Another thing. When your character dies by old age, illness or some other way while having kids you can choose to play as one of his/her children from a certain age. Your choice on how that character live is once again up to the player. biggrin

This just became quite long. Better cut it here then. smile

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» 狂気 on October 18th, 2013, 6:20am

That's an interesting idea and I've heard similar before, but even if you had limitless money, staff and skill there would be other restrictions. What kind of engine do you think would be required to run that? Also those troop numbers in a high fantasy world are just insane.

I like that generation idea, though it would need a lot of work to make it practical. Another negative thing is that a games without a coherent story (which your game would inevitably become) have been proven not to be interesting. It does have potential if you break out of the standards. There have been many of those of course, but not any that I can think of that still have such a standard setting.

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» GuttedGnome on October 18th, 2013, 7:28am

The troop number is just the amount of currently recruited people across all the clans and they wouldn't all be in the same place. It's no "save the world from evil" scenario now, so the most active clans would obviously be the Raven clan (FYI they're called the Raven clan as the Raven is their symbol) and their closest allies. The rest would be quite casual about it unless called into battle by the war leader of their side (which would be either of the successors of the Raven clan).

As for the engine. It would be built from scratch to be optimized for such a game. Let say that most civilians would be quite generic and boring like Assassin's Creed and so would most of the armies. And when you engage in battle with them only those you fight with will be enabled for heavier AI code and stuff. And the maximum amount of drawn NPCs would be something like 1000 if generic and perhaps 50-ish non-generic. This of course would depend on the machine it runs on. The generic part would also depend on the NPC. Guards, merchants and other needed NPCs would be different.

I can understand that it can be seen as a incoherent story or even without on as it mostly is, but the actual story is the war told from one person's perspective and that person's life and how it changed for better or worse during that time. Think of it as a machinima game or along those lines. The player tell the story of their character in my world that is constantly in a chaotic state. There would be tools like a history writer which automatically writes down what happened each day (PC plowed a field from x minute to y minute from coordinate xyz to coordinate xyz while state of war is x). There'd also be some backtracking video player which play these events from a history file so people could record and make videos or even take screenshots to put up with the story.
My story would just be the lore and the standard Raven war with its events. Where your character is or isn't may effect my story but also yours. You may once again be squeezed in between two faction of a battle or even a months or years long siege. Maybe you'll even be kidnapped by bandits and sold to slavery.
Think of it as a *your input may or may not change the course of my story but my story will always change yours* type of thing. An extremely interactive story so to speak.

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