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New Poll - Aggregate Sites
This week's poll deals with a perhaps touchy subject: aggregate sites. Our member kayue was the one who suggested this one. For now, how often do you use them for your manga fix? Notice I'm not making a distinction between which sites. That's perhaps a later poll (big "maybe" there)

You can submit poll ideas here (and try to keep them manga/anime-related)
http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=3903

Previous Poll Results:
Question: Do you buy any physical manga magazines?
Choices:
Yes, I subscribe - votes: 221 (2.1%)
Yes, I buy issues off the shelf - votes: 780 (7.5%)
I used to, but not anymore - votes: 1563 (15.1%)
No, not interested - votes: 1968 (19%)
No, but I would if I had the money / they were cheaper - votes: 2014 (19.4%)
No, but I would if they were available in my country / language - votes: 3818 (36.8%)
There were 10364 total votes.
The poll ended: March 8th 2014

Well, if I broke down that last option between people living in the US vs. people who didn't, then perhaps we'd get some more answers? Who knows...
Posted by lambchopsil on March 8th 7:20am Comments ( 40 )  [ View ]  [ Add ]
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» RoxFlowz on March 8th, 2014, 12:34am

I read almost everything on Batoto, though there are some scanlator websites I also frequently visit.

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» Lorska on March 8th, 2014, 6:20am

Quote from RoxFlowz
I read almost everything on Batoto, though there are some scanlator websites I also frequently visit.


this

I often tried to visit the scanlator sites just to be redirected to batoto...
but it takes some time for e.g. 'easy going' releases to appear there and their online reader is good. So it depends on whether I'm patient or not biggrin

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» AliceinAmestris on March 8th, 2014, 12:59am

I use them a lot..... Though more and more I try to find the scanlators sites.

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» thevampirate on March 8th, 2014, 1:25am

man if this poll was around a few years ago we'd see way different numbers. I used to always download and compile full volumes for easier reading but now I feel caught up on manga and dont need to go through 50 volumes of every good series and i just want an update now wherever I am. Its gotten so bad that I dont even give some series a start if they dont host it on batoto. I personally started using one managa as a substitute when my hard drives got filled up and i could just try out a manga before i decided on if its a series good enough to read again and again. At this point I've gotten so used to them that my biggest issue with someone like crunchyroll is the fact that their reader is horrible to use when back in the day i would be going crazy over them trying to monetize scanlation regardless of the fact that they are doing it legally.

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» NightSwan on March 8th, 2014, 1:44am

The reader I use most often is Dyansty's (for GL), which is pretty friendly and respects the wishes of the scanlations to include the manga they've worked on or not.
If it's a siteless group stationed at Batoto, I'll naturally read it there.
I prefer to download the manga I read, but if I do end up reading it online, I'd rather use the group's reader.

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» Hostile on March 8th, 2014, 2:16am

It's actually been on my mind recently. I prefer to archive everything but ever since I was forced to replace my old desktop I haven't added my HDD of manga into my new desktop. Add that to having a tablet (so amazing for reading comics) and I'm using either the group's reader or an aggregate reading site.

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» quark1020 on March 8th, 2014, 3:12am

I use them more often than not.

A lot of scanlators now have their own manga readers for their website, so I don't have to go to Batoto for everything, but I end up using it most of the time anyway for manga that was released by a defunct groups or scanlators that simply release their scans on Batoto.

I used to download scans back in the day, when I was running on a 56k modem, or dsl. Now, thanks to faster servers and quicker internet, there really isn't any need to download anything unless you're backing them up for offline reading.

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» KaoriNite on March 8th, 2014, 3:13am

95% of the time I use aggregate sites. I rarely download manga. The ones I download are ones I've previously read on aggregate sites and loved so much I decided to download them.

It's just so much easier to use aggregates than going through the process of figuring who the scanlator is, what their website is, and whether or not they have an online reader. (there's also figuring out whether or not they're one of those groups that want you to join their site, make posts, and go through an easter egg hunt just to find where to read the manga).

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» Chainless on March 8th, 2014, 3:48am

I seldom use them these days. Mainly because I like to still download and archive my manga and cos many of sites are slow from time to time, making reading a pain in the a**.

Also one of the reasons I don't like reader sites these days is cos I have the feeling so many of them (MangaHere and MangaGo for example) don't respect scanlators AT ALL. I've seen too many sad stories of scanlators that got in trouble with japanese or english publishing houses cos they scanlated their manga. They were told to take their scanlations down but when they tried, the reader sites didn't do anything, thus in fear of the possible lawsuits, the scanlators either went underground and made their scanlations private for a small closed community, or stopped scanlating altogether. It's a mystery for me though, why do publishers attack only scanlators and not the reader sites..?

Reader sites are great, but I just think the scanlators have the right to decide if they want to have their works on these sites or not.

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» tactics on March 8th, 2014, 3:54am

I use them quite a bit. Usually as a back up if the scanlators don't have a reader on their website. I only download a few series nowadays. Batoto is used the most, if not all the time as the backup.

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» SinsI on March 8th, 2014, 4:24am

They suck for many reasons:
1) They take up precious screen space
2) They contain things that distract from the content
3) (sometimes) far worse UI - no keyboard navigation, need to wait for next page to download each time, etc.
4) They require you to be online

So I use them only in rare cases where I couldn't find a normal, downloadable version.

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» autumnsgrace on March 8th, 2014, 6:03am

If it's a finished series, I'll use mangafox or wherever I can find it that doesn't require a download. If it's an ongoing series, it depends on if the group has their own reader. I'm happy to read on their sites if so, though it doesn't help them either way, since I adblock everything. Otherwise, it's back to mangafox. I'm a selfish consumer. smile

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» Knightzomegaz on March 8th, 2014, 9:08am

Haven‘t used them..

I only download mangas and now, I only read mangas when I‘m eating at home or has nothing better to do...

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» Sapphiresky on March 8th, 2014, 9:44am

Seldom. I typically use them
a) When trying a new series, before I download it. Sometimes I don't get past the first chapter before I drop it.
b) For groups that only release to online readers.
c) (rarely) when certain chapters can't be found for download.

I'm old school so I download. Sure aggregator sites are convenient initially, but it in the long run, downloads have no load times, no lower quality images, no ads and you never have to worry about it being taken down or not having Internet.

I reaaaally miss the days when it was easy to download manga, like old school aggregator sites where you'd download from them, not read them online. Now it's become a whole lot harder, and there are fewer places to download old stuff.

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» Nekore on March 8th, 2014, 10:15am

I try to use the scanlator online reader as much as I can, but after links from here were cut down I only go to the ones I'm most familiar with and have them in my history, for the rest I use batoto.
Also there a long time since I used the others named, but sometimes I want to re-read a series that is licenced.

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» BlueHaro on March 8th, 2014, 10:20am

If it is the latest chapter of a specific manga, I would usually use an aggregate site--mainly Batoto. Though this is only for scanlators that specifically only use Batoto. I usually visit the scanlator's website first.

However, if I am starting to read a multi-volume released manga, I would rather download the series to read. The time it takes for me to load a page (couple seconds if I have decent internet/forever with terribad connection) is about the same amount of time that it takes for me to read a page of most battle shounen manga... Instead of 10-15minutes per volume of shounen, it may take me 20-30minutes to read on an online reader. Text heavy manga takes a little more time for me to read, but the loading time for online readers adds up. I prefer my pages to be loaded instantaneously for speed reading laugh

Not to mention I'm a bit wary of certain aggregate sites since I got viruses from a couple of them...*stares at mangafox* (yay for adblock! but I'm still traumatized)

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» Fawkes on March 8th, 2014, 11:01am

I used to prefer downloading but I don't have enough hard drives for it anymore. The aggregate sites are just more convenient in general but I'll download the release if its something I won't be able to find on Batoto.

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» Banarok on March 8th, 2014, 11:04am

i buy some too but even after i bought them i generally prefer to read them online simply because it's easier but it makes me feel good to buy manga i like simply to support the mangaka.

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» BlackOrion on March 8th, 2014, 11:33am

The only thing I use other than the Scanlations is Mangatraders for easier access to things, and to get stuff that is no longer available on the original source. To put it simply, I download it all, I read nothing online.

I also like buying manga, but there aren't many translated on my country, it's just not all that popular here.

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» deadphoenix on March 8th, 2014, 2:27pm

I don't like them to be fair.
I prefer to use the groups page, however it's lately not possible.
Either the group is dead or the group prevents it with some method
(hide and seek plays,
adfly attack that prevents a download (I don't have trouble with supporting a group, but please 10 times clicking on those fly links kills my nerves, and I'm saying nothing about the possible malware),
a reader only release( Off course the site goes down when you're half way reading the chapter, really annoying),
or the chapter is... restricted to a limited amount of people sad . A host is used that gives the message "you're IP range has reached the maximum download traffic", so it's impossible to get the release, etc. and a combination is also possible.)

Good luck this is a minority of the groups. I'm still thankful that they're doing it, even if the number of releases and groups drops every week.

To come back to the point, I HATE the fact that the aggregate sites make large amounts off while doing noting for it (they let the work be done by other people, this goes as far as updating and maintaining the site.) While the owner fills his pocket and enjoys his live with all the fun.

Off course, 'aggregate' sites like Batoto are an exception this also includes the non-profit once.

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» Sogno on March 8th, 2014, 3:52pm

i try to use just batato, the majority of the manga i read aren't published or given to a legal group like CR so i really don't have much choice.

there's always the download option but... idk seems like too much work lol.

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» unya on March 8th, 2014, 4:16pm

I use them for mangas I don't intend keep on my hdd, so it really depends of the manga itself. I mostly use mangahere since it's usually the first one to appear on google and by far the faster one to read online for me. Though I sometimes check the forums for specific mangas, especially mangafox, mangahere comment section and batoto comment section, some people are seriously almost as funny as the mangas themselves due to their silliness.

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» Nyajinsky on March 8th, 2014, 4:21pm

I download my manga, so I don't use them for reading. but when I'm looking for manga to read and I don't know if I would like something, I go to mangafox, open second chapter of the manga on page 8 (because the first few might be credits and stuff) and read a few pages to see if it would be to my liking. very specific, I know. I'm reading a book about serial killers right now.

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» Syphilis on March 8th, 2014, 7:37pm

Please don't compare Batoto to any of the MangaShits. Batoto hosts uncompressed, full-quality images with reasonable ad space and shows who scanlated it. They don't steal, watermark, compress, and claim that content is theirs against the wishes of the scanlator groups that worked hard to produce it. And they also comply with publishers in taking down licensed manga.

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» Gradonil_Ral on March 8th, 2014, 7:42pm

Only Batoto. Only for webtoons (long strip format) and stuff I can't download (very old chapters, DL links died). Other than that, I always read offline.

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» destroyer_ck on March 9th, 2014, 1:05am

Donwload mainly.
so i almost not visit them.

i only use them for series that i'd like to read, but not really want to re-read

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» bra00724 on March 9th, 2014, 1:26am

I think more of us are using it now since links on bakaupdates to the scanlators sites are no longer available. And it's harder to find the right site.

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» chriseras on March 9th, 2014, 11:30pm

Same here. I used to go to the scanlator's website and use their online reader there. If there's none, I would download. Now that the scanlation websites are taken off Baka-Updates, I just head off to some aggregate site because it's extra work having to search for the scanlator's website unless I can remember them off the top of my head.

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» ariasaven on March 9th, 2014, 5:41am

I only read manga online when I can't find it for download. But about 99% of the time, I download so I can read it offline. I use my smartphone and find it inconvenient to have to load pages one by one.

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» Karuna on March 9th, 2014, 11:39am

I only use them when the group only uploads them and don't have their own links to downoad or if the group no longer exist and I want to read the manga but in that case I only use batoto.
But if not I prefer to go to the page of the group, download from there or read from their online readers if they have one, and say thanks.

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» mysstris on March 10th, 2014, 9:05am

I use aggregate sites-now it's mainly batoto and scanlators' readers but I also use mangatraders ocassionally and mangahere. I don't care much for the profiting anymore since I use an adblocker and ghostery. The way I see it, scanlating is illegal in of itself anyways so if anyone should get profits, it's solely the mangaka and publishers. If one scanlates, one should do it out of their own pockets IMO but then again, I can't help what people donate.

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» AkaikeM on March 10th, 2014, 10:29am

Not sure if MangaTraders count. That and Dynasty Reader are the only ones I use.

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» mysstris on March 10th, 2014, 6:28pm

It counts. It's a place where scanlations are collected and can be viewed online as well as downloaded

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» mysstris on March 10th, 2014, 7:32pm

Oops wrong thread.....

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» Damnedman on March 11th, 2014, 7:50am

I use batoto mostly because it keeps track of what my last chapter read was. It's really convenient since I have a big reading list, I fall behind on a lot of series, so the automatic bookmark is exactly what I need.

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» crazyboutcute on March 11th, 2014, 3:57pm

I usually use Batoto, but if the scan group has its own reader, I'll go with that. Very rarely do I actually download chapters -- it's tedious and just clutters up my computer. When I have to use other aggregate sites, I have adblock employed, so at least they're not getting ad revenue from me. embarrassed

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» caozhi on March 11th, 2014, 9:32pm

I usually read on the scanlator's reader, or on Dynasty which has most of the series I pay attention to. Batoto is my last resort.

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» Bedouin on March 12th, 2014, 12:30pm

Interesting that there hasn't been much said about manga reading apps on tablets. I use one of those apps on my iPad, which offers content from 5 big aggregator sites including Batoto, and naturally bypasses the ads. It automatically bookmarks the last read page (not just chapter) and allows for offline downloads. It sizes the pages to fullscreen and downloads in the background so I just flick to get to the next page instantaneously, which means the reading experience is like that of a downloaded manga (no loading times). I've been spoiled by that app and I honestly don't think I can go back to reading on websites unless the title isn't available otherwise.

When I first learnt about what aggregator sites do and how they rip off scanlators' work, I tried going to their websites/Livejournal etc. to download. But I had to register, and then read a ton of instructions from different posts, then write some stuff, then wait to be allowed to join the community (and sometimes I don't even get a reply). I do respect the scanlators - I do fansubs myself for video projects. But we let people download freely and easily from our website. Why give people any excuse at all?

One last thing. I have a personal philosophy regarding the volunteer work I do (subbing). I do it for myself; I do it to give myself pleasure, also knowing that my work will give others pleasure. And for me, it ends there.
If other people want to take my work and do evil things with it(!), that's on their own heads/conscience/karma. And I do believe in karma, except that I express it as "things have a curious way of coming back to bite you in the ass".

I know that I've gone OT on this thread, but I'm hoping that my words will reach some scanlators who feel angry and betrayed. I've learnt from years of volunteering (not just subbing, but also helping people in real life) that the only way to be at peace is by making sure that you yourself get something out of what you do - that there is INTRINSIC satisfaction in it for you. Never expect or hope for gratitude, or loyalty (promises), or anything at all that's dependent on OTHER people.

Do it if it makes you happy, and stop when it doesn't. Life is short; why let bad people take your peace away from you? Let the people behind MangaFox choke on their ill-gotten profits; it is between them and their god, and it has nothing to do with you. The quickest way to burnout is to waste energy getting angry at people who don't deserve an iota of your attention. Know that thousands of people in the world are quietly enjoying your hard work and sending good karma your way, as am I smile

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» kaloo on March 13th, 2014, 9:34pm

Well, up until about 6 months ago I almost never used online readers, but as progressively more sites seemed to decide that they were going to only have an online reader version, or not post DL links for a few days I started to just use them, and then a lot of sites just started telling me to go to Batoto. And from there I suppose I just got lazier about it.

Actually this site no longer having links to sites also made me less inclined to go to scanlator websites, as I had to manually search for them rather than just click over to them.

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» bhui on March 20th, 2014, 5:20pm

You should have included an option about "Availability in my country in English".

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