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Previous Poll Results:
Question: If you were a villain from a manga, what kind would you be?
Choices:
Destroyer of the world - votes: 762 (6.3%)
Ruler or tyrant - votes: 885 (7.3%)
Creator of chaos - votes: 919 (7.6%)
Random or psychotic - votes: 1030 (8.5%)
Strategist or mastermind - votes: 2987 (24.7%)
Brute or strongman - votes: 75 (0.6%)
Corrupter - votes: 416 (3.4%)
Terrorist - votes: 114 (0.9%)
Secretive or deceptive - votes: 1078 (8.9%)
Basic jerk - votes: 231 (1.9%)
Bad villain (try to do evil but fail so hard and end up doing good) - votes: 1545 (12.8%)
Cult leader - votes: 190 (1.6%)
Assassin - votes: 1351 (11.2%)
A minion - votes: 488 (4%)
There were 12071 total votes.
The poll ended: January 31st 2015
Lots of people would love to be smart...
Comments (limited to first 100 replies)
» Faukner on January 31st, 2015, 2:36am
» RoxFlowz on January 31st, 2015, 4:27am
I don't think it's the obsession of one but often the dislike of the other. As a straight guy, I avoid Yaoi but don't mind reading Yuri. I think I've only ever read and enjoyed one BL series, not my cup of tea in most cases.
Of course there are those obsessed with BL/GL, but I don't think it's the majority.
» Dionaea on February 3rd, 2015, 2:11am
» Baalzebup on January 31st, 2015, 7:37am
This is a question that you should never ask in the internet, because the answer is always no. ALWAYS!
Calling it an obsession is a bit much, considering you can easily prefer something or like something without being obsessed about it. I also don't understand why you don't understand it. You can even reduce it to a quite simple formula:
If (woman = hot) and (sex/smut = hot), then it stands to reason that (woman + woman + sex = hot.)
Reverse gender for the Yaoi formula.
And yes, reality isn't quite that simple, but c'mon. You should be able to see why it works for some people.
» deadphoenix on January 31st, 2015, 2:38am
Do I need to be surprised by the low score for "I'm female and I prefer neither" or for the high score for "I'm male and I prefer neither".
» quark1020 on January 31st, 2015, 4:59am
» deadphoenix on January 31st, 2015, 2:39pm
Check the main topic posted by lambchopsil, then you know this poll was done a 1.5 years ago, but in the negative.
» forgottenone666 on January 31st, 2015, 3:40am
» MinatoAce on January 31st, 2015, 7:19am
though, I don't find men loving Yuri a bit weird...haha
@Faukner - The only answer to your point I can find is, because they can't apply it to themselves...so, probably because of it, the ones enjoys it can enjoy it without any concern...^^
different people, different opinions...Different Tastes...No Comment!!
» residentgrigo on January 31st, 2015, 7:47am
So i sadly went with I'm male and I prefer neither. Is also don´t last with such manga for long and most of them are a 4-6/10. BUT sometimes they succeed with cases like these:
Honey & Honey is the best lesbian manga but that is a biography so the fictional Plica is nice too. Or the anime Simoun which wasn´t about humans so that does not even count as gay.
For shone ai i would go with Zankoku na Kami ga Shihaisuru but this one did not have realistic homosexuality and i was only reading because i liked (most) of the story and the art. Banana Fish isn´t quite shonen ai but if it was it would be the best one. For anime i go with Ai no Kusabi but that wasn´t quite about humans too and had some retarded SM rape.
If this was a comic site i would go with I'm male and I like both equally as the US/European market actually bothers to portrait LGBT characters as human since the 90s. Great examples are Kevin Keller or Batwoman who bot won GLAAD Media Award or Fun Home: A Family Tragicomic by Alison Bechdel(the one form the movie test). Good tv shows are Queer as Folk(UK) or Angels in America. My two favoutite ongoin comics after Berserk are The Walking Dead (Jesus is just rad) and Saga (Izabel is even a ghost) and both have a lot of prominent gay chracters i love.
All in all frankly dislike both japanese versions as they have crap writing in 98% of the cases or run in circles like Maria-sama ga Miteru witch has 39! volumes with no real time progression. This isn´t even an unpopular opinion as even the wikipedia article on yaoi has a big criticism section. Here a quote:
"Some gay and lesbian commentators have criticized how gay identity is portrayed in BL, most notably in the yaoi ronsō or "yaoi debate" of 1992?1997. A trope of yaoi that has attracted criticism is male protagonists who do not identify as gay, but are rather simply in love with each other." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaoi Funny enough the yuri one does not.
I am pro gay marriage by the way as germany had that since a decade but japan oh well. Maybe in my lifetime. The moment they publicly acknowledge homosexuality will be the moment when "gay manga" for me will start to come out regularly. Till then.
» Baniita on February 4th, 2015, 3:16pm
Ai no Kusabi is pretty meh. Though it's only an OVA, I like Tight Rope best (as well as the manga).
I couldn't get into Banana Fish at all. For more realistic BL, Kyuugou's work is pretty great--the oneshot "Reply" is my fav of hers. Mizushiro Setona's Cornered Mouse Dreams of Cheese was a bit overmelodramatic, but I loved it. The best BL-like titles I know with all-around quality I know are No.6 (novel, preferably) and most of Sugiura Shiho's works. I generally dislike older BL titles, as they tend to be excessively cheesy.
I think Girl Friends and Collectors were the only GL titles I really enjoyed... The art looks kinda.. er, but I added Honey & Honey to my reading queue.
» oGaga on January 31st, 2015, 9:38am
my preference: 75% yaoi and 25% yuri
» Breizh on February 1st, 2015, 1:39am
90 % of yuri that is funatari or hentai ? It might be true on hentai sites but most lf the series I read have very few graphic scenes... ( girl friends, honto no kanojo, sasame kikoto, citrus, himitsu no recipe,...)
I'm a male and I prefer yuri because it's soothing, sweet with likeable characters.
Some people here don't understand what there is to like about yuri but I don't understand what there ISN'T to like about it.
» Baniita on February 4th, 2015, 3:25pm
Female, and I love (non-supersize) futanari. Bible Black, mmmmn.
» Baalzebup on February 4th, 2015, 3:34pm
.... beside agreeing with this:
» lambchopsil on February 4th, 2015, 11:24pm
It's actually fine in the News forum since it has a tree view
» sidzero on January 31st, 2015, 10:05am
» thevampirate on January 31st, 2015, 10:23am
» juls91 on January 31st, 2015, 12:48pm
And just because i like it doesn't mean i am homosexual... I feel like you defending one point just hits the other. I am a girl and enjoy to no end reading shounenai/yaoi, and if i liked yuri that wouldn't necessarily make me a lesbian, i don't think that someone who reads one or the other is "obviously gay" and at the same time if they were, there is nothing wrong with that. I feel that people who tries to defend their inclinations are just insecure...
» thevampirate on January 31st, 2015, 9:29pm
» Faukner on January 31st, 2015, 1:00pm
» mysstris on February 1st, 2015, 8:19pm
Also I feel like I've seen this poll before.
» train93 on January 31st, 2015, 11:57am
» toshirodragon on January 31st, 2015, 12:56pm
» thevampirate on January 31st, 2015, 9:39pm
I really wonder if the close to half of men who said they prefer Yuri actually read much of it and I dont count hentai (although others might and this poll doesn't specify).
» cl123 on January 31st, 2015, 1:04pm
» KaoriNite on February 1st, 2015, 12:53am
I think you make a really good point. The whole reason I got into yaoi was because there wasn't much shoujo smut. And what is there in that genre seems really degrading to women, e.g. lots of rape and abuse. While those topics come up in yaoi too, since there is a lot more yaoi it is easier to avoid the manga that has those things.
» Baniita on February 4th, 2015, 3:04pm
Lol, rape/abuse in BL isn't really easier to avoid. So much apology rape, and it's everywhere. The "No-no-no-yes" formula is terrible, though I suppose KSB to be the exception that pulled it off (somehow).
As for stuff like DRAMAtical Murder, it's mostly unapologetic about most everything including rape, so forgiving that isn't even relevant. (W/e, Clear's routes are the only worthwhile ones for me).
I think it's just easier to stomach for many of us since men don't have as much history/frequency of being raped or physically abused by their partners. Gender roles are also usually not a factor, so...
Apology rape just shouldn't be tolerated in general, especially when romanticized.
» Cthylla on January 31st, 2015, 1:17pm
» TundraDweller on January 31st, 2015, 3:13pm
» animeangelgrl on January 31st, 2015, 7:29pm
For me, the allure of yaoi is that because I like males, I get to see two of them; twice the fun! Even though there are two males participating in a romantic act, I'm still able to project myself into the scene. I also think a big part of it is that I love reading the H scenes. There is little choice for the female demographic when it comes to straight sex. Shoujo/josei smut seems to be too vanilla for me while hentai tends to exploit the female body to the point of being a turn off to me; it's too clearly created for the male demographic. That's where yaoi comes in. I'm able enjoy the smutty scenes while appreciating the male body in the same way that people that like hentai are able to find enjoyment from that.
On the romance front, I tend to think that the tropes used in most shoujo manga are too overused and unexciting unlike yaoi for me. Add that to the excitement of a little eroticism and you've got me hooked! Just my two cents.
» nightazday on January 31st, 2015, 7:50pm
Also the fact I'm a heterosexual guy, but mostly the first reason.
» crazyboutcute on January 31st, 2015, 10:20pm
» imraged on January 31st, 2015, 10:48pm
» dione on February 1st, 2015, 3:29am
» auriga on February 1st, 2015, 3:40am
That said, the reasons I avoid yaoi - though I won't deny that reading about male homosexuality isn't really my thing - are the same reasons I avoid a good majority of shoujo: I'm not enthusiastic about bishonen and how seme and uke relationships are portrayed. On that note I also tend to avoid female-oriented yuri, especially a one character is portrayed with excessive masculine qualities.
As for futanari... I don't like it, too. If 90% of yuri you encounter involves futa you might be searching at the wrong place. And yes, there is a good deal of girls' love stories that do not exist for the sole purpose of the graphic portrayal of sex.
» khaledias on February 1st, 2015, 6:21am
» Dionaea on February 3rd, 2015, 2:29am
» Baniita on February 4th, 2015, 2:39pm
You can find most of this information on wikipedia.
» mysstris on February 1st, 2015, 8:17pm
By the way, wasn't this poll done already? or maybe I'm thinking of another poll that also indicated if F/M and a preference in tags.
» train93 on February 2nd, 2015, 8:17am
» dalek on February 1st, 2015, 9:55pm
» TheLittleE on February 2nd, 2015, 12:16pm
» kiironoume on February 3rd, 2015, 2:40am
» morphin007 on February 3rd, 2015, 10:02am
My main point in reading mangas is finding a guy who'll be like my avatar and have a romance with a girl. I don't read something else (like yuri/yaoi or the girl not choosing this guy)
» Caiman on February 3rd, 2015, 12:35pm
» caozhi on February 3rd, 2015, 10:57pm
If only you could see my folders...
If only you read those stories...
I'm female btw, since the poll wants to know.
» Baniita on February 4th, 2015, 2:30pm
Not even exaggerating, tho.
Lol, I suppose us fujoshi are more ubiquitous than I thought. I like yuri and all, but good yuri is damn near imposible to find; I myself only know 3 worthwhile titles. And while there's a crap ton of terrible BL out there, there's some great stuff out there.
My tastes tend to veer off into darker and more twisted territories, and slash fic and BL has an abundance of that~
» residentgrigo on February 4th, 2015, 3:37pm
I should have said that i also like Tokyo Babylon but that is OG Clamp and they are like Joss Whedon and make everyone "bisexual". A bit like Touchwood.
Even Buffy tried out to be a lesbian in the canon season 8 comic for one arc but then she also wanted an abortion in season 9 but then it turned out that she was a Buffy-Bot (don´t even ask). Quality i say. So my final opinion is this: No more sales stunts!
Rape or sexual experimentation or whatever as "high drama" is bottom of the barrel and even the best writes like to jump down that rabbit hole. Hello Alan Moore!
Edit: Baniita´s pick NightS is a decent read and i up-voted Realistic Homosexual Relationship/s but the author needs to branch out more.
» caozhi on February 4th, 2015, 4:37pm
» sunao26 on February 4th, 2015, 7:20pm
» Jooles on February 6th, 2015, 8:48pm
But I voted neither, because I'd rather have my romances be standard guy/girl. Two guys - too much dick. Two girls - a lack of dick.
(A sidenote regarding the results of the last poll - "Haha, well, aren't you all a bunch of supersmart people. Compensatory narcissism. Lol.")
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