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New Poll - Web Novels
Another poll that's related to what someone suggested (this time our member MewMan) but not actually the poll they suggested. Any opinions on the surge of translated web novels?

You can submit poll ideas here (and try to keep them manga/anime-related)
http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=3903

Previous Poll Results:
Question: Do you listen to J-pop?
Choices:
All the time! - votes: 1061 (11.5%)
Sometimes... - votes: 2213 (24.1%)
Just the anime songs - votes: 2758 (30%)
Used to, but not anymore - votes: 1004 (10.9%)
Tried it, didn't like it - votes: 934 (10.2%)
Never tried it - votes: 1229 (13.4%)
There were 9199 total votes.
The poll ended: October 24th 2015

More people do than not... Interesting. Wasn't actually expecting that.
Posted by lambchopsil on 
October 24th 1:30am
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» zarlan on October 24th, 2015, 2:08am

What's with the "maybe"?

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» lambchopsil on October 24th, 2015, 9:00am

Quote from zarlan
What's with the "maybe"?

"Maybe a couple" meaning "Just a few", which isn't "Lots"

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» zarlan on October 24th, 2015, 8:56pm

Quote from lambchopsil
"Maybe a couple" meaning "Just a few", which isn't "Lots"

Maybe=perhaps=possibly

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» RoxFlowz on October 24th, 2015, 3:11am

Used to read a lot, it's gone down to two novels now but that's more because I've finished a lot already (or dropped them...) and some aren't being actively translated anymore.

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» residentgrigo on October 24th, 2015, 3:39am

Maybe a couple is technically right as i for example read a bit of the (decent) Ninja Slayer "novels" after i started the anime to compare and these were originally posted via twitter.
I remember when authors used to complain about the Reader’s Digest form but writing via twitter is the certainly the worst way possible.

I am not even that big a fan of the LN format (these are even more simplified youth novels after all) but good ones exist of course. The vast majority of our web novels though are the height of illiteracy in my eyes as they are written by no-names, have highly questionably translations and basically none target adults. I didn't become a librarian to sink to that level my friends. Moving on...

(I never understood why the word novel is used to describe these as LN´s are usually novella and web novels are basically fictitious blogs.)

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» kaloo on October 24th, 2015, 12:51pm

Well really they're serial novels, but those basically aren't a thing these days.

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» calstine on October 24th, 2015, 3:57am

Definitely the fourth option for me. The writing's amateurish, the translations are dodgy, and even the titles are off-putting. They're like very poor excuses for light novels; and why should I read poor excuses when I can have the real thing? (Though LN's don't get translated anywhere near as much as they should, imo.)

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» MinatoAce on October 24th, 2015, 4:09am

Lots of them, if you consider 20 or so to be lots.
I started reading them from about 2½ years ago. First I started with the ones related to existing Manga/Manhua/Manhwa and Now I also read the ones I feel interesting.
I would say that I'm quite hooked to couple of them now.

I have been reading novels from way past before I started reading Manga/Manhwa/Manhua (about 12+ years ago).

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» mysstris on October 24th, 2015, 6:34pm

about your last statement; you're saying you've been reading web novels for over a decade? Just to clarify....Sorry if it's a stupid question.

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» MinatoAce on October 27th, 2015, 6:34am

Nope. I'm reading LNs from about 2-3 years. When I finished(graduated from) Highschool I had alot of free time before entering college. So, they grew in numbers.

I'm reading mangas from about 12 years ago and started reading Manhwa/Manhua sometimes after.
Hope it clarifies it. ^^

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» mysstris on October 28th, 2015, 11:52pm

Oh ok. You said novels instead of graphic novels so what you said was open to misunderstandings

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» MinatoAce on October 29th, 2015, 8:34am

Well.
If by saying 'Novel' you understand something like " A Song of Ice and Fire ", then the thing is, I used to read them alot.
I love Fantasy and Mistry genres.
Though nowadays I don't read them much as for the issue with time and money...lol

The last one I bought and read was last year, " The Broken Empire Trilogy ".
It's a great novel series. I highly recommend them, try it sometimes.
Antihero Male Protagonists are my favourite. ^^

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» Vocah on October 24th, 2015, 5:04am

Lots!

I wish there were real novels in the line of some of those web novels (either in German or English).
I really like overpowered characters that are just going sightseeing and are pretty easygoing with lots of funny antics, while somewhat trying to hide their strength... basically Death March kara Hajimaru Isekai Kyusoukyoku (Novel) is the perfect example of this... and I prefer the web novel beginning of it to the light novel.

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» itsugo09 on October 24th, 2015, 6:27am

i currently am reading two and finished one. I started reading LN's a few month ago. It's difficult to pin a category to teh LN, for me it's not a novel but it's not either a novella, before starting reading i never thought i was going to read a LN as i like a lot to read books i have the same thought of Calstine, then i started reading The Legendary Moonlight Sculptor
and Mushoku Tensei and i couldn't stop reading them

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» Trimutius on October 24th, 2015, 10:28am

I read quite a number of novels. But not so much anymore, I wish I had more time to read, I have more than 30 novels on my wish list.

P.S. 2 of the novels are actually sitting in my wish list since I registered on the manga updates. I want to read them but they are long and not the type I want to get stalled in the middle of reading...

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» mikako17 on October 24th, 2015, 12:29pm

Translations a bit too dodgy for me to ever read the web novels listed on MU. If any of them ever get truly translated, maybe, but they're still not really my cup of tea.

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» Damnedman on October 24th, 2015, 3:06pm

Read a few on Baka-Tsuki, but only bothered to finish even less than that.

Quote from mikako17
Translations a bit too dodgy for me to ever read the web novels listed on MU.

This... Of the few I checked out outside of Baka-Tsuki, pretty much all seemed to be unedited/proofread. At least Baka-Tsuki had some editing to make it more readable (especially for the bigger projects), but the rest seem like an ESL student doing translation homework by trying to spruce up google translate.

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» mysstris on October 24th, 2015, 6:29pm

I don't read web novels. I'm not into reading novels electronically. I prefer having the weight of book in my hands so that just means getting my ass to learn another language. In that regard, I have some qualities of a luddite. Also with issues of back translations and the reliance on words to really activate my imagination, I'd rather not deal with the errs. Of course the same can be said about graphic novels but the pictures are somewhat of insurance to make the translations remain in context.

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» zarlan on October 24th, 2015, 8:53pm

...
Wait it says web novels?
Crap.
I thought it said "light novel", or just "novel", for some reason...
I voted "maybe a couple", but that's wrong. I don't read any.

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» imercenary on October 25th, 2015, 10:03am

Needs an option between 'Maybe a couple' and 'Used to, not anymore'

That said, the vast majority of web novels are shit. You can't go wrong with free but when this community is (mostly) a community of manga pirates, why bother pirating the crappy stuff?

And that doesn't even take into account the effort(?) of the translator(s). (Seriously, I know Google Translate is a good tool, but proofread the damn thing before bragging about your "translation".)

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» crazyboutcute on October 25th, 2015, 11:45pm

I don't mean to sound like an elitist snob, but I'm going to now proceed to sound like an elitist snob. dead (Warning! Writerly snobbery ahead!)

On this site, anything with "Novel" in the title or "Adapted from Novel" in the tags makes me run for the hills. But, as a writer and librarian, I hate when people judge the medium as a whole -- "I hate YA" or, "Comics all suck." Those are, after all, silly over-generalizations. So I won't go that far, but I will say that every light or web novel that I've ever attempted to read (yes, even the popular ones -- especially the popular ones) has been irredeemably awful. From my experience, the writing is clumsy, purple, and embarrassingly unfunny (like manga or anime in purely written form -- no, that does not work), and many of them have ridiculously convoluted plots. Common tropes, trends, and devices I've also noticed and that I can't stand: follow-the-leader series (I never want to see another "trapped in a virtual reality game" series again -- ever), ecchi/harem fantasies (especially with the bland generic shounen everyboy self-insert main characters), descriptions in gory detail of each new character (yuck yuck purple yuck), heavy reliance on anime and manga visual tropes (no, you cannot "sweatdrop," and no, onomatopoeia should never be used with that weight or frequency), and gratingly hold-your-hand levels of poorly written descriptions telling you exactly what everything does, looks like, and means so that you don't have to use even one ounce of brain power figuring anything out for yourself. I will give them the benefit of the doubt and suggest that maybe some light novels do have legitimately decent plots and characters. But, in my experience, the writing has been so gut-wrenchingly horrid that I've never been able to read far enough to find out.

Ugh. I know these things are geared toward younger readers (except for the uneasily mature ones??), but there is no excuse for bad writing. That goes doubly when writing for children and young adults. They need good literature even more than us adults do! They're piecing together their own identities! [earnest children's librarian mode=off]

So tl;dr, no, I don't read web novels since they're basically wannabe light novels, which I can't stomach. If I want to read bad fiction (because everyone's a little masochistic sometimes!), then I'll hop onto FictionPress. At least over there I might stumble upon a gem! laugh

But as always, that's just my silly opinionated opinion, so take it as you will. xP

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» ImmLff on October 26th, 2015, 2:59am

Let me guess, you did not read those light and/or web novels in Japanese, you tried their translations. If my assumption is correct, and I'm pretty sure it is, then sorry but you have no right to judge their writing.

Translation is a derivative work based on original, it can be closer to original or further but it is never the same. Even with professional translations that are released commercially what we get is frequently very different from what was written by original author, and fan-translations are just that much more random.

What's more, some of the issues you mentioned in your post are just things you personally dislike and not necessarily signs of bad writing.

I'm not trying to say that light/web novels have great writing on average, neither I want to deny you from having your own opinion on the matter. I just hate when people bash something without being properly informed and having sufficient experience with the subject.

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» residentgrigo on October 26th, 2015, 3:41am

I have read "official translations" of LN´s if anyone cares roll and I basically agree with crazyboutcute´s points. I even deem 99% of all LN writers and at least 99,9% of our web "novelists" to be irredeemable amateurs or worse and their prose tends to have a reading level that won´t challenge a grade schooler...
I will never speak up against the format of youth novels itself which LN´s are as "The Hobbit" is one for example (LoTR has no target demographic btw. and targets children as much as adults). Or look at the current reception of "Journey to Star Wars: The Force Awakens Lost Stars" and there are a lot of complicated factors why books are published as non-adult fiction too. (Cough they make more money cough).
LN´s though are a quick cash grab by default as they are the most inexpensive way possible to kickstart a franchise and are a blight open the current anime scene. The amount of adaptations they get at once after the publishers start smelling success is lastly all the prove I need to see how cynical and greedy the entire system is form the bottom up.

I obvious have nothing against actual Japanese novels as the works of Haruki Murakami
(or Japanese youth novels that have been published outside of the anthology/web system) and can only recommend everyone to extend their horizons beyond the MU releases list.
Edit: @Mariejoanna The Novel Filter may help you.

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» Mariejoanna on October 26th, 2015, 3:20am

No, I don't read web novels anymore and I wish I could filter those out under latest releases, not just under advanced genre search; it's kind of an eyesore for me. Except it's inplemented already and I don't know how.
There are good written ones and not so good ones but the amount of not so good ones is astonishing, but that's just like any other kinds of media. Although I see web novels mostly on same level as fanfictions so I tend to avoid them.

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» dosetsu on October 26th, 2015, 3:44pm

For the most part, no I don't read Web Novels - way too much of the same generic characters with the same generic narrative, more so than manga. It's quite ridiculous, honestly.

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» deathcoy on October 26th, 2015, 8:25pm

I've toned down on reading manga and watching anime due to various reasons. So started reading those Light Novels or Web Novels. They tend to be more fullfilling though i try to avoid the cliche shounen types which a aplenty...

I also no longer buy figurines or paperback manga. Sticking to digital manga and mostly digital novels.

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» mikako17 on October 27th, 2015, 6:40pm

It's interesting to see how many people reply to this thread about reading web novels compared to the thread about removing web novels. There were a lot more people in the other thread who say they read web novels compared to this thread. Though the poll seems to lean towards people reading web novels.

Anyway, yes Murakami, now that I read. biggrin

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» silencecomes on October 27th, 2015, 8:11pm

I read quite a lot of them. It's true that there is a lot of garbage mixed in, but so does everything else. Always good ones and always bad ones.

I find the good ones to be very enjoyable, while the bad ones are just... well, bad.

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» haohao229900 on October 29th, 2015, 2:41am

Quote from silencecomes
I read quite a lot of them. It's true that there is a lot of garbage mixed in, but so does everything else. Always good ones and always bad ones.

I find the good ones to be very enjoyable, while the bad ones are just... well, bad.


It is exactly this. Web novels can pretty much be published by anyone, meaning that most if not all are amateur works. While that is true, it is a good media for people who want to go pro to gather population and criticism in order for their work to improve in quality. I'll say that we should be giving them the chance to prove their quality instead of bashing the whole media as just plain bad.

It is true that the genre for web novels are mainly leaning towards the same direction where vmmo or reincarnation are involved, but that is because it is currently popular. This caused more web novels of such genre to be written and also translated, making it seemed like there aren't any web novels that are different.

I have to say that there are definitely many web novels that are gems and were given the chance to transit into other forms of media but there could be more.

Some web novels(or were from web novels) that I can recommend:

Turned Light Novels
Tate no Yuusha no Nariagari (Novel)
Death March kara Hajimaru Isekai Kyusoukyoku (Novel)
Only Sense Online (Novel)
Risou no Himo Seikatsu (Novel)
Konjiki no Moji Tsukai (Novel)

Turned Light Novels+Anime
Overlord (Novel)


Turned Manga
Toaru Ossan no VRMMO Katsudouki
The New Gate
World Customize Creator

Still Web Novel, but have potential
The Black Knight Who Was Stronger than Even the Hero (Novel)
Daraku no Ou (Novel)

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» silencecomes on October 30th, 2015, 6:11pm

I'm happy to see a like minded individual. I've read half of the ones you've recommend already, and they are enjoyable.
Are they good? Hell if I know, I'm a horrible critic. It's better than half of the never ending shounen and shoujo manga series that everybody fanboys/fangirls over, at least.

There is a LOT of garbage laying around the entertainment world. Luckily, if we sift through it long enough we will find treasures, some, more golden than others. Tossing the majority of these amateur works will only make our treasure harder to find, if not entirely prevent the rough gems to be polished.

Every writer starts an amateur after all.

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» imercenary on October 30th, 2015, 9:52pm

Quote from silencecomes
I'm happy to see a like minded individual. I've read half of the ones you've recommend already, and they are enjoyable.
Are they good? Hell if I know, I'm a horrible critic. It's better than half of the never ending shounen and shoujo manga series that everybody fanboys/fangirls over, at least.


?!?

Maybe I'm not reading the same web novels as you guys, but I've found most web novels to be worse than the never ending shounen and shoujo manga series that everybody fanboys/fangirls over.

Its especially ironic since Tate no Yuusha no Nariagari is a web novel which
Spoiler (mouse over to view)
time looped its own story, literally making it never ending.

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» silencecomes on October 30th, 2015, 10:23pm

Quote from imercenary
Maybe I'm not reading the same web novels as you guys, but I've found most web novels to be worse than the never ending shounen and shoujo manga series that everybody fanboys/fangirls over.

Its especially ironic since Tate no Yuusha no Nariagari is a web novel which
Spoiler (mouse over to view)
time looped its own story ...


You might not be, but I can recommend a few enjoyable ones.

Jashin Average (Novel) is one of my favorites. Unfortunately it's short, but it's a fun ride.
Suterareta Yuusha no Eiyuutan (Novel) is where the vengeful MC actually gets his revenge. Multiple times, and for life.
Isekai Mahou wa Okureteru! (Novel), has a pretty interesting setup and its a fun one to read.
Kenja no Deshi wo Nanoru Kenja (Novel), this here is kinda gimmicky. Not for everyone.
Oukoku e Tsuzuku Michi (Novel) It's been awhile since I've read this one, it started great.
Mushoku Tensei (Novel) is one hell of an adventure, nothing more to say.

As for what haohao229900 recommended, I enjoyed these

Only Sense Online (Novel) is another favorite. This game is my ultimate fantasy game.
Risou no Himo Seikatsu (Novel) another one with a unique setup, read, at the least, vol 1.
Konjiki no Moji Tsukai (Novel) more OP MC? Well, this one has a great protag. He gives no shits for anyone but himself, for good reasons.
The Black Knight Who Was Stronger than Even the Hero (Novel), this one is just gold. A female MC is already rare enough, and Chie is great.

I actually haven't read more than a few volumes of Tate no Yuusha, I got bored with it and dropped it.

If you'd like to go off topic and discuss web novels that aren't database'd here, send me a PM. There are plenty of good english ones around.

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» imercenary on October 31st, 2015, 9:53am

confusedconfusedconfused

Have you actually the novels you're recommending or are you just recommending them because someone else recommended them? Cause nearly everything you recommended is on par with a 'shounen and shoujo manga series that everybody fanboys/fangirls over'. (You recommended a web novel whose title is 'The Black Knight Who Was Stronger than Even the Hero'. Are you seriously going to try claiming it isn't a shounen/shoujo story?)

I'm sure there are (good) web novels that aren't(maybe they are?) database'd here that even a jerk like me could like. But it was always my (naive?) hope that over time the cream of the crop would rise to the top, yet that obviously hasn't happened.

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» haohao229900 on November 2nd, 2015, 12:56am

Quote from silencecomes
You might not be, but I can recommend a few enjoyable ones.

Jashin Average (Novel) is one of my favorites. Unfortunately it's short, but it's a fun ride.
Suterareta Yuusha no Eiyuutan (Novel) is where the vengeful MC actually gets his revenge. Multiple times, and for life.
[m]Isekai Mahou wa Okurete[/m], has a pretty interesting setup and its a fun one to read.
Kenja no Deshi wo Nanoru Kenja (Novel), this here is kinda gimmicky. Not for everyone.
Oukoku e Tsuzuku Michi (Novel) It's been awhile since I've read this one, it started great.
Mushoku Tensei (Novel) is one hell of an adventure, nothing more to say.


I actually read the other novels that he recommended with the exception of Jashin Average (Novel)(Haven't got the time to read) and Oukoku e Tsuzuku Michi (Novel)(Which I probably wouldn't be reading). The reasons I didn't recommend them was that they are further from the taste of most people or that they're more typical.

It's true that The Black Knight Who Was Stronger than Even the Hero (Novel) is considered shoujo, but it is also true that it isn't the typical kind of shoujo that you'll find out there which was why I would like to recommend it to others.

And although I don't know if he actually read that many novels(like I do bigrazz ), but I'm pretty sure that there are more people than you would've expected out there that actually bothers to try to get to those rough diamonds out there biggrin

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» Akatsubaki on October 30th, 2015, 5:41pm

Never had, never will. It is more than sixty percent of people who don't read it combined with people who only read a couple. I'm actually quite surprised that 30% of people here reading web novels. Hope they are not mistaking it with 'Light Novel' or 'Novel'.

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