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New Poll - Religion
This week's poll was suggested by residentgrigo. Normally I'd avoid this kind of poll, but we can be mature about it, right? The available options obviously don't cover all the bases and oversimplifies much, but it should cover most cases to a certain degree. If you don't know what some of the words mean, use Google. It'll give a much better definition than I can.

You can submit poll ideas here (and try to keep them manga/anime-related)
http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=3903

Previous Poll Results:
Question: Preferred medium to read manga
Choices:
Physical volume / magazine - votes: 1690 (25.3%)
Desktop computer - votes: 1786 (26.7%)
Laptop / Notebook - votes: 1376 (20.6%)
Tablet - votes: 1049 (15.7%)
Phone - votes: 781 (11.7%)
There were 6682 total votes.
The poll ended: September 17th 2016

Desktop for me too. Although the phone is good for reading while sitting on the toilet...
Posted by lambchopsil on September 17th 3:54am Comments ( 40 )  [ View ]  [ Add ]
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» residentgrigo on September 17th, 2016, 2:17am

About the last poll. I would always prefer reading on a (large) screen, even if i had the bound volume next to me.

Am an atheist. I always was but i have read the bible from cover to cover. I will do the same with the Quran soon. It´s world literature after all.

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» fovika on September 17th, 2016, 2:20am

I don't mind the question, but "agnostic" is not a religions belief like atheist and theist are. You can be a theist and agnostic and you can be an atheist and agnostic.
Just thought I'd remind everyone of this.

Hope everyone has a pleasant discussion.

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» GuttedGnome on September 17th, 2016, 3:08am

None of the above. apatheist here.

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» Cthylla on September 17th, 2016, 3:23am

This poll is not very well designed.

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» FeyPhantom on September 17th, 2016, 3:32am

I don't identify as anything and I wouldn't even know where to start to 'name' my beliefs :/
Not that I even want to name them...

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» Trimutius on September 17th, 2016, 5:43am

I am agnostic, i don't believe in religion, i do believe in God though (or a higher being). But it is impossible to prove or dissprove God's existence... But religion is just a tool created by corrupt people to contol weak willed people. Most of the priests are hypocrites IMHO...

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» calstine on September 17th, 2016, 6:27am

Number 1. I am Theravada Buddhist (which, I like to always specify since I doubt most people know/care, is very different from the Buddhism you see in manga/anime or popular media -- that's either Mahayana Buddhism or some weird pop culture buddhism that's neither here nor there), and I practice the five precepts as well as I am able to each day. There's actually very little do otherwise: since ours isn't a theistic faith there's no god or devil to believe in, and no churches/sermons to attend. There are some really good discussions going on on local TV on Poya days (ie: full moon days, which have a special significance more because of the culture associated with Buddhism than with the religion itself). I listen to them whenever I have the time, and that's about it.

Theravada Buddhism is a way of life more than it is a belief, though frankly it's a very tough way of life. Mostly because to be that forthright and honest in the shitty world of nowadays is often an exercise in impossibility. Still, I do try, and feel all the better for it -- though it also means I'll never be filthy rich, very dominant, or have 10 men at the beck and call of my sexual needs. None of which are things I want anyway, so...

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» svines85 on September 17th, 2016, 11:03am

NOOOOO!!!! I absolutely can't be mature about this!!

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Ah, sorry, I just had to get that out of my system......but seriously, yeah, good luck with that sentiment smile

Yeah, how could you cover all the bases.......I was looking for a "quasi-Christian/Animist" slot but, yeah, then I thought that might be getting a little too esoteric for most. And yeah, as was said, if in doubt, google it biggrin

(Loosely) believe but don't practice.......hell, I don't have to, that's the beauty of being secure in your beliefs, you don't really have to take part in the trumped up pomp and circumstance of others smile

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» Senrosj on September 17th, 2016, 11:58am

I don't know in which category I would fall into from those choices, but it would probably be either struggling with religious belief or agnostic. The truth though, I would like it if there was a God or many gods and other supernatural entities. To me that would be fun so I would be glad if they actually existed. I was born in a christian household, but although my mother reads the bible several times a week, she does not go to church and my parents never forced me their beliefs on me, so I'm something like a nominal Christian, that hopes God exists because it would be fun. So yeah... I'm not really religious and I don't mind if someone says shit about "my religion", but I'm by no means an atheist. That would be no fun to me.

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» SilverStorm on September 17th, 2016, 1:22pm

I practice a religion, but I don't believe it.

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» NightSwan on September 17th, 2016, 3:42pm

I'm an atheist.
The notion of a "god" doesn't relate to life or reality.
It's fiction, and there's no point in discussing it outside of this bracket and what believing the idea of divinity has done to the world.

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» 15C08 on September 17th, 2016, 5:31pm

"Am struggling with religious belief"

If I said this phrase to people I know IRL, I'll probably get disowned. Anyway, I do believe in a Supreme Being, but not much on others who proclaim they are the voice of said Entity.

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» Trey21 on September 17th, 2016, 8:26pm

Atheist baby if there is a deity he/she/it isn't worth the praise anyway

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» MinatoAce on September 17th, 2016, 10:27pm

I'm not voting this time around. It's fairly pointless for me.
Though I was born with a religion status by default like most(if not all), I'm totally careless about religions and hardly ever partake in any religious activity(I can't recall the last time I partook, most likely I never did till now).
I'm okay with any kinda religious events, as long as it provides me an official holiday. Else I can't care less.

After saying all that I might be considered an atheist. But, I would prefer the word NEUTRAL. And am definitely not struggling and certainly never will struggle. Just too lazy to give a....

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» for_MUssi on September 19th, 2016, 1:25am

Quote from MinatoAce
I'm not voting this time around. It's fairly pointless for me.
Though I was born with a religion status by default like most(if not all), I'm totally careless about religions and hardly ever partake in any religious activity(I can't recall the last time I partook, most likely I never did till now).
I'm okay with any kinda religious events, as long as it provides me an official holiday. Else I can't care less.

After saying all that I might be considered an atheist. But, I would prefer the word NEUTRAL. And am definitely not struggling and certainly never will struggle. Just too lazy to give a....
"being careless [about religion(s)]", "[wanting to be considered] NEUTRAL" and "being too lazy to give a..." make me think that you might have been feeling like an apatheist (that in your life, there is more important business than religion).

On my part, I guess I would have voted for "having apatheistic aspirations" if it were an option.

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» mysstris on September 18th, 2016, 7:56pm

I find atheism amusing because I see people in parks preaching atheism. consider that a religion.

edit: based on people's responses, there seems to be a distinction between cultural religion and theistic religion

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» siddharth on September 18th, 2016, 10:29pm

I am a theist (hindu).But i certainly cannot follow all the teachings of it .I can say that i am doing only 10% of how a hindu must live.I dont even celebrate all my religious festivals. And i have not even read all my religious scriptures.(Unlike bible or quran we have many religious scriptures)But i ticked regularly practice religion because whatever i am doing i have faith in it and am satisfied.

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» train93 on September 19th, 2016, 4:53am

I'm catholic, but far from being an extremist. I guess I just take the parts I like and make them my own version of this religion. Is it contradictory? Maybe. But since it doesn't hurt anyone, I'm fine with it. I only dislike people who want to shove their beliefs down other people's throats, them being theists or atheists or anything else doesn't matter. And not just about religion.

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» 3delQ8 on September 19th, 2016, 8:01am

oh good so the majority do believe in god , thank god

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» Izhy on September 19th, 2016, 10:02am

i don't like this poll. i didn't vote, will not this week.
The one who suggest it, was not suggesting a poll, but suggesting 'the result' -- to you --
(i don't want to be one of the people who suggest it).
well, people thinks differently, just pointing out something i found when i read.
and 'you' might want to "erase" -- it --

hope you understand..

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» residentgrigo on September 19th, 2016, 10:17am

I am that very person...
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(PS: I am currently having classed how to do questionnaires.)

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» Jelise on September 19th, 2016, 10:20am

Agnostic here. Mainly, I believe that we need to reserve judgment until we have definitive proof of something, and atheism and theism don't do that.

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» mikako17 on September 19th, 2016, 6:51pm

Agnostic, but I definitely don't believe in a 3O God, just doesn't logically work for me.

As for the above comment, I'd argue that definitive proof is subjective since definitive is subjective.

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» Jelise on September 21st, 2016, 7:01pm

The key here is the word proof. Since definitive is modifying a word that's defined as a piece of evidence or argument used to establish fact, it's effectively making it so that any conclusion would have to be based in fact. So yes, definitive can be subjective but proof cannot.

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» mikako17 on September 22nd, 2016, 9:07am

When you modify proof with definitive, then you're picking and choosing what's good enough to prove something or not. And proof doesn't necessarily mean fact, like you said, it's just evidence to establish fact. The evidence can be false. I get what your point is, mine is that just because it's definitive proof for one person doesn't mean it's the same for someone else and that's why there are such varying degrees of faith.

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» Jelise on September 22nd, 2016, 1:41pm

No, I didn't mean to criticize your point. I get what you mean. I think this ultimately comes down to semantics and how you take what the words mean. To me and many others, proof has to be observably...well...provable to become fact. Otherwise, It's opinion or conjecture or something of the sort, and while it can be disproved, it cannot be proved.

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» graffhead on September 19th, 2016, 11:42pm

agnostic?
kids claiming to be atheist?
man edge is really flowing hard from here, all the kidding aside nowadays people really try hard to look kewl or different, its really pathetic because basically they are just subtly screaming that please give me attention, all the people here who are worried that not practicing a religion make them atheist, its not like that having faith is much much better than claiming that someone is atheist just because its hip and kewl to be atheist and hipster, and I doubt anyone here is born in an atheist family, but i can still see a ray of hope that all the people here who do know what they are talking about didn't vote or voted the second option, but on the sometime Its still quite discouraging to see atheist has the hight votes

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» NightSwan on September 20th, 2016, 12:30am

Dude, you're hilarious.
Just chill and accept the stats. Being an atheist isn't "edgy" or some nonsense like that. It's just a position people come to.
What does having atheist families have anything to do with it? Atheism isn't a race or a religion.

And why is it discouraging?
It just goes to show this site has a higher concentration of atheists than, I dunno, the American national average and closer to that of European countries.

Your way of thinking is quite peculiar, I've gotta say laugh

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» graffhead on September 20th, 2016, 3:03am

Quote from NightSwan
Dude, you're hilarious.
Just chill and accept the stats. Being an atheist isn't "edgy" or some nonsense like that. It's just a position people come to.
What does having atheist families have anything to do with it? Atheism isn't a race or a religion.

And why is it discouraging?
It just goe ...


yeah i know atheism exist but ask yourself, on the so called social media have you ever seen a religious person or people with faith making constant posts "i am so proud to have faith in a higher being" no! but you must have seen People making countless posts "fuck the police" "atheists are intelligent that's why i am a proud atheist" believe it or not for attention and satisfying their insecurity people want to be addressed with ze/ghe they/them before internet it was not like that on tumblr there is like a lot of lgbt and atheism cancer, it's just a new kind of fishing for attention. and i hope you haven't selected atheist.
it's really true that too much freedom is also dangerous, just because people have freedom of speech and are free to choose their own identity doesn't mean you should choose to become something different (like lgbt and atheism) just for the sake of being different,
and your post really have made me realise that i am a somewhat of a conservative person and i am not really ashamed of it

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» Melrakki on September 21st, 2016, 10:43pm

Quote from graffhead
just because people have freedom of speech and are free to choose their own identity doesn't mean you should choose to become something different (like lgbt and atheism) just for the sake of being different, &quo ...


You think people latch onto being lgbtq or atheist for the sake of being different? Sexual/romantic attraction, gender identity, and not believing in a god are quite personal things. I feel your case is based in you not liking atheist (or lgbtq) people. And for what it's worth, religions do tie into identity. Many religious people feel proud of their religions and have a community with it.

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» punchmanga on September 20th, 2016, 1:53am

I can't follow a religion who's not my personal justice but I'm wrong often and I discover new thing so I don't think I will obey a religion but learn from them. I may learn lessons known by a lot of people but I think I want to be different even if it's from behind.
I may not make sense because I'm French and I don't even make sense in my language but I think the poll are interesting for understand the politics.

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» exxp on September 22nd, 2016, 10:39am

Relax, not everybody is showing off. Don't get angry by yourself. (:

...Say, how about mentioning some manga about religion and the like? any favorites?

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» residentgrigo on September 22nd, 2016, 11:17am

Buddha clearly wins. The new anime films are a mess though.

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» exxp on September 22nd, 2016, 11:38am

The cover's always making me feel it is kind of heavy text stuff though?
I'll check more properly this time for you pal-in-listing.

I am aware that it is very favored, so I always considered reading it...

Okay, it is good for reading in the free times. Liked it.

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» Suxinn on September 22nd, 2016, 2:59pm

I'm atheist, for the simple reason that I honestly don't believe in a higher mystical/spiritual power. As frustrated as I am with calculations (I'm definitely a humanities/social science person), I honestly do think Science is Cool™, and the creation of the universe stuff just sounds so much more amazing to me in scientific terms than in the whole, "And then God (or a set of gods) created the universe."

All personal opinion, of course.

I also personally find it daunting to describe my own religious background, since what seems to be often recognized is organized religions. But my mom is a huge Chinese traditionalist (and raised me as one too) in that she believes in the whole Jade Emperor in Heaven and all the cultural holidays. (I hesitate to call it "religious" since it feels very different from the usual religious holidays celebrated by the Abrahamic religions; I also dislike calling it "superstition" on a personal level.) These beliefs are actually so common in Chinese-speaking countries that no one has a name for it. Things like grave-sweeping days, paying respect to one's late ancestors, etc. are just taken for granted as normal.

So, yeah, religion and spirituality and whatnot is more complicated (of course) than the question, "Are you religious or not?"

For the record, I've never had much trouble with my atheism, amongst either my family or my friends. But I've met both terrible religious people (who keeps trying to convert me, despite my extremely polite refusals) as well as obnoxious atheist people (who are convinced that they know the ~secrets of the universe~ because Science™). Religion is just a discussion that no one can win.

Oh, and for religious manga, it just has to be Saint Young Men, obviously. (The Music of Marie is pretty cool too, if you're interested in fantasy religions/gods.)

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» Mamsmilk on September 22nd, 2016, 4:57pm

Atheist here.
Been my whole life.
I'd especially welcome religious views to my question.
As of late I've come to accept agnosticism as a valid point of view to some degree, although I still think it's a bit weird to think that way, especially when those people aren't otherwise mystics or anything like that, but pretty much very rational in their actions and views, so why the special treatment to questions regarding higher beings? If you actually are the kind of a person that follows the same thought pattern it your life, then I can see why. Otherwise just seems like you're being politically pleasing. That was not the question though.

As for religions, I'd like to ask the question, how and why did you pick the religion you think is true and do they realize, that just by thinking that god is something as is described in their religion, they automatically think that other religions are in the wrong just by thinking that, even if not explicitly claimed. This is one of those you can't have and eat your cake things. That is not the only thing either, you could say that they're the same and one god in the end, but people actually aren't all monotheistic whatsoever and their views are completely polar to Semitic religions. Religious views are mutually exclusive. What is god is not a question like who is the best actor, because you're making a stand on reality of things, what powers govern the world, not values. It's still sensible to be agnostic at this point, because then you are not taking a stand on something, which you have 0-1% chance of being right in due to the multiple explanations of what a god is and what the world is like, maybe even less as there is no specific reason that something like a god exists as a being. Thus I don't believe.

You can take all the beliefs in the world and pick one who believes in their faith and put them in the same room, one for each religion. Now you ask them, what and who is god. Pay mind that it is not an opinion. It's supposed to be an actual explanation for the universe, a fact. The only way that the majority of these people aren't wrong is that each individual would exist in different dimensions that are governed by different gods and yet somehow they exist on the same plane at the same time. That to me seems a bit far-fetched and a way less likely option than that there just isn't one, that the universe is not humane in any shape or form, that the god is not a person and trying to use anthropomorphism to make it such is pointless. If you're trying to find some kind of a middle ground between all these views, then you are agnostic, which is fine, but is your philosophy in life actually anything like that or are you just trying to avoid the question? Those who are not agnostic are simply insolent and ignorant when they stand in that very room where they have a snowball's chance in hell to be right of actually having this all sorted out. An atheist wouldn't be, because s/he just follows the general secular logic s/he uses in everything in life. S/he knows why penicillin works and so on.

It's easy to be a christian in a christian culture for example. You don't need to think that the other views are as valid as yours and the probability for all is extremely low. You can shake hands with muslims and jews just fine as you can just assume that all prophets praise the same one god and so on, but what about pantheism or polytheism, what about all those beliefs that do not fit any of these religions? Why are they treated as insignificant ways of thinking? You might try to downplay your offense towards those views, but you are taking a stand already, even if you try not to and I don't mean offense as in someone getting butthurt, but as in, you being sanctimonious when you take a strong stance like what universe is like without even taking a second to think about it. The only reason you probably don't even get much views other than atheism vs christianity is that you are living in an echo chamber. I'd also like to once again clarify that even though I don't speak in a rough manner here, these are not my feelings, this is logic that you use in your every day life. Religious explanations for the world are not just opinions, they're supposed to be accurate facts, otherwise they're pointless and hold the same gravitas as what your birth tarot cards are.

If you can prove me wrong and say that your belief are something else than just a nice thought of what could be nice if it were true, like those tarot cards as they would be damn sweet if they actually worked, but first you have to prove every single other religious interpretation of the world wrong, especially those that contradict your base doctrine and say why yours is right, assuming you are not agnostic, which once again to me is just a way to pussy out if you don't lead a life of mysticism and actually think that the coke you put in the fridge is still there even when the door is closed. I too would think that it would be cool if demons and angels and djinn and whatnot were real, but there really isn't much to back it.

Universe is a beautiful place. It's complex and probably incomprehensible for a human brain to some degree. Using a half-assed explanation that even an ordinary man can easily question to simplify it is appalling. You don't owe me a thing, you owe the universe.

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» 4dhi_Caesar on September 22nd, 2016, 11:39pm

Last poll my choose is Laptop. It's have a good screen and I can do multiple task with it.

As for Religion...I choose 2nd choice cuz humans sometimes neglect when they're too busy with their life(including me*sniff*)

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» Animechic420 on September 25th, 2016, 9:04am

Those heathens that picked atheist! no

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» svines85 on September 25th, 2016, 9:15am

Heh... "heathens", outstanding, I haven't heard that particular term of disdain in ages biggrin

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» residentgrigo on September 25th, 2016, 11:20am

Shameless DC plug: I love Heathens, song of the year. Thx Mr. Ayer.
Why can´t be gods as cool as in comics?
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