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Ending caught me off guard i had thought i read a spoiler that said it was the girl later in the game(ie kozue). I really wouldnt have minded it ending with anyone of the ladies but Tsukasa. I really never liked reading about her throughout the manga and the ending...perturbs me.


the reason manga expand from normal 10 volume to 19 volume is to prepare Manaka X Nishino ending, cause i think form volume 11 upside mangaka switch main female rule from Toujo to Nishino.


if the mangaka really did like that, i mean, a bit more sure about it, everyone would have noticed smile
but in fact she didn't have that consistency.
that's why she dragged tsukasa-junpei and aya-junpei at the same time, even until the very last. smile
she still gave some hints for aya-junpei ending even after vol 11
i personally didn't think the ending was bad. smile
but my critique goes to the mangaka's consistency when building the direction of the story. smile
if she had that, no one would feel that sad. smile
because of her indecisive method, she made this manga assaulted by many complaints. smile

@J0hnnyTh3F0x
it was not tsukasa's fault, she did nothing wrong. smile
she is a nice girl, it would be very sad if she disappear





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i just finished reading this.i feel the journy was greater than the end.i rooted for everyone else but nishino till she regained my respect by confessing to manaka.the ending was good.but i could imagine better.i will be discussing this for awhile with my friends.i had a great time reading this and hope another manga amounts up to it. cool

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Hehe, I'm posting a month after the latest reply, but I just finished reading the manga so I thought I would try posting.

Anyway, I have mixed feelings about the ending, and before I start, I am a Aya fan just to let everyone know. At first I was really unhappy with the fact Manaka and Nishino got together. I just felt that Nishino threw herself out there at him a lot in the manga when she was with him (please don't kill me Nishino fans!) where as the moments with Aya, they were more genuine? At least, I think the moments with Aya and Makana seemed to be more like love. Yet, I'm probably the only one that feels that way here, but it's alright. lol. I just got that impression while reading....

However, I agree with some people here that it was partially Aya's fault for not taking more action to be with Manaka and that not much really happened between them anyway. I was just disappointed over all. I guess because of the build of the author made with Aya and Manaka. I thought it would have been sweet to see the two of them making and producing movies together. But looking back at everything this morning (I finished last night) I do admit Nishino was probably the best choice for Manaka. Why? I don't know. She just fit his personality better and it doesn't really matter because I lost more respect for Manaka as the story continued. sad

Now, I kind of wished that Amachi and Aya had gotten together. He cared about her more and threw a lot away for her. Hehe ^.^; to be honest though, when he was first introduced, I thought Amachi and Satsuki would get together. Oh well. Anyway, just wanted to share my opinion. I just finished it last night and I'm kind of happy I did. It was seriously long and dragged on a little...but it was still good.


First of all, I think that was a very well-worded and sweet post. smile . Its rare to see an Aya fan to acknowledgo that Ichigo100% is a good manga and not whimper about the ending biggrin . However, I think that what you said about Nishino throwing herself at Manaka isn't entirely correct, that was Satsuki. I don't re Nishino remember Nishino ever doing anything that would put Msnaka in embarrasing or awkward situations, was always subtle about her appraoch and always took care not to to be annoying to Manaka and was considerate about his feelings. Like here ---http://www.onemanga.com/Ichigo_100/66/10/ (Nishino didn't snitch on Manaka even if she was hurt by Manaka's lie, she hid it well for his sake and to save him from embarrasing himself)
I thought Nishino and Junpei moments were rather cute and sweet. But like, you said each to his own but I will tell u the reason why I think this way

Also as for Manaka not being close to Nishino and not having enough bond. Besides you have to admit and see how much more fun Manaka and Nishino had on their dates, whereas, Manaka and Aya, all they ever talked about were movies and more movies, and then there would be awkward silence. Actually I can't remeber any significant AyaxJunpei moment. Also I think Nishino and Junpei had enough build as much as Aya through out the story. But I can give you quite a few sweet NishinoxJunpei moments. Here are some moments ------

notice the difference between the quality of Junpei x Nishino moments, compared to the Aya x Junpei moments. You just have to look at how many times Nishino and Manaka spent their nights together and they werent forced to spend the night due to rain or getting lost. Manaka obviously had alot more fun with Nishino on dates you just have to look at their date in the festival during their 3-day trip. Manaka, who is naturally a bit introverted and doesnt much like to do anything exciting, it is only with Nishino that he plays pranks like putting seaweed over his head, Junpei suggesting they go on a date during their school trip while breaking quite a few school rules, has a snowball fight in the middle of the night, taking on a bunch of big guys for Nishino's sake. The normal Manaka would never do those things especially not with someone boring as Aya, Nishino is the only girl who makes him act that way.
Nishino was the first girl to fall in love with Manaka even before Aya, when she explained her reason for answering Manaka's confession positively. See what Nishino means to Manaka and how close she got to Manaka's heart.
These are the best scenes which shows Manaka's growing genuine love for Nishino and his growing respect for her, his increasing awareness of how she always pulls him up, how much seeing her means to him, how much he came to care for her feelings,how priceless her smile is to him. ------

http://www.onemanga.com/Ichigo_100/79/18/ (that shows how attuned Nishino was to Manaka's thought that she had absolute trust that Manaka would keep his promise)
http://www.onemanga.com/Ichigo_100/74/14/ (shows how Nishino was always there to support Manaka)
http://www.onemanga.com/Ichigo_100/80/17/ (tells Manaka why she agreed to go out with him taking away his inferiority complex as Manaka always felt insecure thinking that a cute girl like Nishino only agreed on a whim and would dump him any time)
http://www.onemanga.com/Ichigo_100/88/20-21/
http://www.onemanga.com/Ichigo_100/107/19/
http://www.onemanga.com/Ichigo_100/112/13/
http://www.onemanga.com/Ichigo_100/123/13/


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LOL I do understand and sympathise with the Aya fans and I even liked Aya alot as a character like how she was klutzy and trip over randomly, were so cute you would just want to give her a big bear hug, Aya was also, without a doubt very intelligent and had a good personality. Its just that, her personality didn't exactly suit Junpei's as they were too similar like two peas in a pod, whreas Nishino's personality fit junpei's like a hand in a glove. bigrazz .Nishino called Junpei to her house because at that time, Junpei was her boyfriend, so I believe its quite normal for a girlfriend to spend more time with her partner in her room? That's one thing Aya never got around to doing, Aya never took the inititive to invite Junpei to her home and the only time he did go, was with Amachi by accident, while in contrast Nishino and Junpei went to each other houses quite often, infact, Junpei's mom trusted and liked Nishino enough to allow her to stay over in the same room with Junpei for a night. One really can't blame Nishino for going after Junpei after their break-up because, if I remember correctly, Nishino asked Manaka on two occasions in the manga that if Junpei was going out with Aya and sh told him point-blank that Aya liked him, but on each occasion Junpei said he wasn't going out and that he wasn't sure about his own feelings. I dunno, I just felt that Aya looked upto and respected Junpei too much and put him up on a higher pedestal than herself, for helping her bring out her hidden talent and for showing her a new world, kinda like a Hero-Worship, which kept her from getting too familiar with Junpei, become overdependent on Junpei like how she will lose her confidence if he wasn't around, it even kept her out of Junpei's daily life. Aya tended to overlook Junpei's faults while only looking at his good points, in contrast Nishino was never afraid of pointing out Junpei's fauts and never held back from praising his good efforts. The best example of this is, despite being in the same classes, same club, same interests, same school, Aya was never at ease with Junpei.they were awkward around each other as Aya didn't share the same hobbies with Junpei unlike Satsuki and Aya didn't push herself to understand the Junpei in his daily life, his personal interest, his routine his troubles outside filming, unlike Nishino. So this sort of relationship which was neither close friendship or romantic made it hard on them to be together if they were not in a relationship and so this sort of relation can never compete with the trust and easy conversations of a Junpei x Nishino relationship as Nishino didn't let get things awkward between them even after their break-up only because Nishino knew so much about Manaka and what Manaka was thinking at a certain point in time. Just think of the time, how Nishino kept talking to Junpei throughout their train journey while on the trip about random stuff, and think of the times when Junpei was alone with Aya, you will see what I mean or how Junpei said no matter how much times have passed since he last saw Nishino, talking to her came naturally to him. cool

Nishino worked hard, notice how familiar Nishino is with Manaka, that she can easily take a chunk out of his candy-floss and Manaka didnt think it was anything out of the ordinary and if you compare that with the time Satsuki shared his ice-cream Manaka got agitated. What, I mean is, from the very beginning since they first met, Nishino always worked hard to know Manaka and always made an effort, so that she could become a friend to Manaka but at the same time she made sure, that Manaka would always know, that above all, she was a girl who was in love with him and took steps, so that Manaka would be less embarrased when they took their relationship to the next level and it would all seem natural to him. Now if you compare this with Manaka's reaction to Aya and Satsuki, one can see that Manaka saw Satsuki more as a guy with tits who was his best-friend but less of a girl and thus his embarrasment at Satsuki's aggressive approach. While he saw Aya as overly feminine , pure and fragile and was afraid of approaching her romantically in fear that she might break or feel troubled or burdened with his confession, if his hunch of her liking him was wrong and this clears up one reason why Junpei was afraid of confessing to her because Aya had no particular patterns to her attraction of Junpei as she was never open to Junpei and never really talked to him about the relationship side of things and could only talk about movies. I mean to say Nishino didnt makerself too-easy like Satsuki but at the same time she didnt make herself too-hard-to-approach like Aya. Nishino wanted to be the sort of girl in Junpei's life who can do all the things a best-friend does and all the things a guy can expect from his girfriend without making the guy feel, she was too unapproachable.

By no "particular pattern", I mean Aya would look like she was beginning to get attracted to Junpei and the next minute, she would act cold towards him which helped to confuse Junpei about her feelings. I mean like there was the time when Aya got md at him over an underwear and stopped communicating with him, then there was the time when she went off at Junpei when she had joined the literature club and Junpei asked her to join the movie club, there was the time when Aya started going with Amachi to the cram classes for no apparent reason which definitely hurt Junpei (compare it with the time how effeciently Nishino dealt with the same situation with Higure) and lastly when Aya was the one who said she was gonna go to the same college as Junpei while during their 3rd school trip she gave Junpei a big blow by suddenly telling him that she was going to a different college afterall without explaining why, especially since Junpei was really looking forward to it, and who could ever forget the whole fiasco with her brother. Now, after receiving all these mixed vibes from Aya, can you really put all the blame on Junpei that he failed to realise that Aya loved him?, even if bystanders like Sotomura and Ookusa telling him Aya liked Junpei but Aya's very own actions were enough to confound Junpei. In other words, Aya never really made an effort and simply relied on dumb luck while Nishino even made an effort to let Junpei know the "HER" from a time he hadnt met her, telling Junpei about the time when she first saw him standing up to the teacher and how that made him attractive to her, telling Junpei how she didnt care about the past or future as long as Junpei was by her side, telling him about her troubles and asking him about his hardships and to share his troubles and pain with her, telling Junpei that she didn't want to ride the ferris-whee with any other boy. (while Aya was going to the festival with another boy or cram school with Amachi)

Sorry for the long post but its just feels great to discuss things with a person like you who thinks about things logically compared to people who won't listen to any reason. To those people I never feel like replying at all. LOL smile

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smile It's alright, it's interesting to hear other

I mean, when I read manga like this, I really like the ones that contain points to it, or seem more realistic. I think this one hits the spot just right. Aya missed out on her chance to be with Manaka, just as in real life, if you play around with someone you love, you're going to miss out on that opportunity too. Nishino, though she wasn't my favorite character and I was hoping for Aya and Manaka to get together, took the steps in order to make that relationship happen. It's what you need to do in real life too 99% of the time.
It's true. However, with the college situation, I was kinda happy she did that though. (about changing her mind) When she first told Manaka that she wanted to go to the same college as him and throw everything away I was like "Woah, wait a moment here." I thought it was a pretty bad idea. Haha so I actually respected Nishino at that moment a bit more than Aya because she was actually following her dreams, where as Aya was only following Manaka around. I mean, yes it did hurt Manaka, but I think it was a good step towards Aya's character development. She realized that she has to pursue her own dreams and not follow him around. (Though someone else told her that she shouldn't throw everything away, still I was happy she changed her mind)
I even liked the fact that the author changed the whole thing with fate. It was supposed to be fate that Aya ended up with Manaka (the numbers at the festival) but Manaka was able to change it. sad It was still really sad at that moment though...but that's how I saw the author making it. Even if she didn't mean to. (I don't know if she was thinking about making Aya and Manaka get together, and at the last second switched back to Nishino, or if she wanted to prove a point)

Anyway, ha I wrote a lot this time around. smile I'll stop for right now


Don't worry about long posts, infact, make them as long as you can, because I would be embarrased if I was the only one posting the long ones and you replied with one or two lines.LOL

I really liked what you said about real life situations and I totally agree because I really don't like fairy-tail scenarios that much. If I did, I would be reading shoujos smile wink grin

I agree with you that it was a character development for Aya when she decided on going to different colleges and was starting to finally realise that love is not following your partner around like a love-sick puppy but it is the joining of two lives with their share of burdens, happiness and hardships. This is a fact that Nishino realised way back when they chose to go to different schools and that's the reason for Nishino's maturity. ?However I didn't give you that example as Aya's character development what I wanted to point out was it was one of the factors that contributed in confusing Manaka because, remember just the day before when she said this, they were stuck in that island and Aya and Junpei were discussing about filming in college, you just have to see how distraught Manaka was after she told him of her decision and I think her movie confession that came right after this wasn't recognised by Manaka as the real thing because he was wondering about what Aya said just the night before. And Aya even did something like asking Manaka to go on a date with another girl. biggrin . Oh and I loved what you said about the fate thing, and I think that was really well-observed and well explained by you. Nishino changed fate itself through sheer will, determination, effort and love. But I really liked it how Manaka tore up that paper, it was one of the few times I though Manaka was being manly bigrazz I think the author was teasing us on who Junpei will eventually end up with till the last possible minute. I say this, because it was heart0breaking for me to see Nishino leave for France and when I saw how Aya and Junpei were looking at each other at thaeir re-union after 4 years, I thought Junpei eventually was settling for Aya while Nishino was somewhere in France with someone else. I fully expected to see Aya and Junpei going out into the sun-set while holding hands when I turned the page over, so imagine my surprise when they started showing different parts of a summer dress, that finally made me realise that Junpei was waiting for Nishino, and I was really anxious if Junpei would ask her out again or not and when he did and Nishino agreed and Junpei ran up the stairs to sweep Nishino of her feet was the best moment and scene for me in the manga and I was ecstatic laugh smile wink grin biggrin bigrazz

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@kisstine, even though I am a Tsukasa fan, there is one thing that bugs me, and I am asking you this as you seem to have an impartial judgement and a level head and I suspect you are a girl so do you think Tsukasa was selfish for leaving Manaka and going off to France to chase her dreams even when they were going out and for forcing Manaka into a long distance relationship?

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I just wished they would have put Aya with someone. Not necessarily Manaka, just someone.


ha...this one...i agree smile
even though i actually wished for aya x manaka pairing, but at least the mangaka should have put her with someone better. smile



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@Kisstine, LOL, I am glad I asked you and to see that my hunch about you being a girl is correct. bigrazz . I just wanted to know a girl's POV about this. So I appreciate your info. I see what you mean and I agree but also think it wasn't easy for Nishino to leave Manaka behind, because I think she got frustrated with him during Christmas when he was thinking of perverted things and failed to realize that his time together with her was short, also when she took Manaka to the beach and was wondering how cool it would be if the ship could carry both her and Manaka to France. I mean she obviously was very worried about it like here http://www.onemanga.com/Ichigo_100/157/02/ .So I suspect that even though she put her dreams ahead of Manaka for the reasons that you said, it still must have been a very hard decision to make and she didn't want to be apart from him. BTW I liked your example on what would happen if they broke-up and Junpei went for Aya. She really would've lost out on both ends. But one thing here makes me think that Nishino was relieved that Manaka supported her dreams and her decision of studying in France because I believe Manaka was the first person she informed of her career path and her decision to leave for France even before informing her own parents which I suspect showed how important Manaka's approval and POV on the whole thing meant to her. Its just like you said that if Manaka truly loved her he would support her and she was happy to see that Manaka did indeed support her. I didn't realise this before reading your post and only thought about this post after your post. Here is what I am talking about ---
http://www.onemanga.com/Ichigo_100/96/10/ (thats exactly what you were talking about right?)
http://www.onemanga.com/Ichigo_100/96/03/ (this expression on Nishino's face made me think that she was very anxious to hear Manaka's approval)

Well then, one last question, a question that I have asked around other forums but none of them were satisfactory ---

http://www.onemanga.com/Ichigo_100/163/06/ (why did Nishino make such a big show of wrapping that scarf around Junpei infront of Aya, as I definitely think that gesture was supposed to mean something more other than keeping Junpei warm)
http://www.onemanga.com/Ichigo_100/163/07/ (why doesn't Aya want him to take off the scarf)
http://www.onemanga.com/Ichigo_100/165/03/ (why does Nishino ask about the scarf)
http://www.onemanga.com/Ichigo_100/165/04/ (how was that scarf supposed to stop Junpei?)

I suppose Junpei was clueless about the significance of this scarf gesture just like me. So I guess it must be a girl thing as Aya certainly got whatever message Nishino was trying to pass on although it eludes me. you have any clue about this whole affair? Oh good luck in trying to convince your mate
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@strayed, nice to see you again biggrin

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HMMM roll I think you are right but I guess its one of those things which has no correct answer. But thanks for trying to clear it up for me. biggrin

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