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Post #576339 - Reply to (#576333) by BlackOrion
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Listen Random, it might be true that a person with a more realistic monetary background will have a better understanding of the benefits of a normal diet, but that doesn't mean that he is rich the moment he is a prick... sorry i meant vegan... You don't have the right to call him a little bitch ...


a true vegan diet is expensive- you HAVE to be relatively well off in order to be a vegan- its as simple as that.

im not calling him a little bitch because he is a vegan- im calling him a little bitch because of his 'im a vegan, and therefore morally superior to you' attitude. like i said before i have never met a vegan who wasnt an entitled prick- and given what ive seen from this twat, that is exactly what the piece of shit is. i am so fed up with these people and their fucking attitude. it is essentially a cult.

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a true vegan diet is expensive- you HAVE to be relatively well off in order to be a vegan- its as simple as that.


That is simply not true. Yes, if you want to eat these fake steaks and whatever - then it's true that it's more expensive. But if you avoid processed food (which is healthier anyway) and stick to mostly grains and vegetables, and maybe some soy milk and tofu, a vegan diet isn't more expensive than a non-vegan one.

There's a specialized vegan supermarket near me, but I hardly ever shop there. Rather than buying "replacement" products like vegan chocolate that, in my opinion, taste bad anyway, I just bake my own cookies where I know what I put into them. Problem solved.

You can think about vegans whatever you want - and I'll admit that a lot of them come on a bit strong - but that particular saying is a myth. I used to think so, too, until I tried it and discovered I was wrong.

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this is why i fucking hate vegans- that self-righteous, better than you attitude

just because you have enough money to support your decedent unnecessary diet you act all high and mighty- and think you are morally superior just because you dont fucking drink milk.

you are not 'saving the world'.
there is nothing 'morally wrong' with eating meat- its what we evolved to do.

you are nothing but a spoiled rich little punk who likes to pretend to be an activist- jumping on any moral bandwagon possible just to make your meaningless pitiful self feel better.

let me guess a couple things about you; you own a ton of apple products, you supported kony2012, you own a v for vendetta mask- which you probably wore to an 'occupy' protest. how do i know this? because thats the exact type of self-congratulating hipster pieces of shit vegans are. if you REALLY want to help the planet- then please just kill yourself.


we didnt evolve to eat meat
we simply just always have, as we also have raped and murdered our fellow humans
honestly, just because we can, doesnt mean we should

dang son you seem to have some self esteem issues if youre getting so defensive

and lastly nope why would i try to perpetuate white savorism and by extension racism for a figure that has reported to be dead anyways, actually against drone strikes in the middle east

one last edit! this is a copy paste from a brilliant vegan author
since you directly classified me as such:
"The Holier-Than-Thou Vegan

The vegan is overly angry about the injustices inflicted upon nonhumans, the planet, and our own species. They believe that they are godlike and have the power to make others feel guilty.
Therefore: Any guilt is a result of their attitude, not one’s own moral inconsistencies and so no lifestyle change need be made.
Essentially, the meat-eater is very uncomfortable with self-reflection and judgement."

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Quote from sophie0
That is simply not true. Yes, if you want to eat these fake steaks and whatever - then it's true that it's more expensive. But if you avoid processed food (which is healthier anyway) and stick to mostly grains and vegetables, and maybe some soy milk and tofu, a vegan diet isn't more expensive than ...


Yeah, no... it's really not healthier, and soy milk and tofu are both expensive products of soy, soy been the most dangerous kind of crop when it comes to earth health... i won't go into details about how healthy that diet is, and you won't believe me anyway, so go talk to a Dc.,


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we didnt evolve to eat meat
we simply just always have, as we also have raped and murdered our fellow humans
honestly, just because we can, doesnt mean we should

dang son you seem to have some self esteem issues if youre getting so defensive
as for my financial situation, currently using a dinky ...


You see, you are speculating big time there, we DID evolve to eat meat, at some point we didn't, also you are been quite an idiot by ignoring all the data that i dropped in this thread earlier, eating a veg diet is, BY NO MEANS, eco friendly, and that is not an opinion, its a fact, again please ask someone that knows about this (not your hippie friends but someone who actually knows) and s/he will give the reason to me.

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I was never able to give up meat, but I definitely cut down after I saw a video on the conditions the livestock that we eat live in. Then I began to only eat meat that was humanely-raised, local and organic. There's no way I can give up meat, but I can at least do what I can to help the cause.

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Yeah, no... it's really not healthier, and soy milk and tofu are both expensive products of soy, soy been the most dangerous kind of crop when it comes to earth health... i won't go into details about how healthy that diet is, and you won't believe me anyway, so go talk to a Dc.,


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we didnt evol ...


Almond milk and soy milk cost just as much as regular milk at every store I've seen. And as for it not being healthier, yeah it's true that you don't get all the amino acids or types of protein or w/e from soy, if you eat other beans and crap it's fine. I've been a vegetarian since I was born (besides eating people and souls which don't really count) and I rarely get sick. Earth health is irrelevant. When the earth becomes a wasteland we will all die off and the plants and animals can slowly take over again. Global warming isn't a myth, but it wasn't caused by mankind. Now get on with the yelling!

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Try to keep the butthurt to the minimum. People can say no to meat if they want, though eating meat itself is not unethical by any means. It's not like they smear the pigs with candle wax and make them run through a desert in a ball gag and gimp suit. There are very unethical ways to raise and kill livestock, but equally many ways to raise veggies with a ruthless hand of disdain, some include killing creatures that are seen harmful for the crops, like birds, bugs, boars, badgers and moles either directly or indirectly.
Everyone should resort to eating dandruff, snot and feces, as there is always something, somewhere dying for you.

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Yeah, no... it's really not healthier, and soy milk and tofu are both expensive products of soy, soy been the most dangerous kind of crop when it comes to earth health... i won't go into details about how healthy that diet is, and you won't believe me anyway, so go talk to a Dc.,



Soy bean is the most dangerous crop to earth health? Please elaborate. I'm not really familiar with agriculture but from what I remember, legumes = good for the soil because its root nodules have nitrogen fixing bacteria. That's why it's used for crop rotation.

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You see, you are speculating big time there, we DID evolve to eat meat, at some point we didn't, also you are been quite an idiot by ignoring all the data that i dropped in this thread earlier, eating a veg diet is, BY NO MEANS, eco friendly, and that is not an opinion, its a fact, again please ask someone that knows about this (not your hippie friends but someone who actually knows) and s/he will give the reason to me.



Relatively speaking, a vegetarian diet is more "eco friendly". Of course, there are exceptions, like transportation CO2 emissions and whatnot... but generally, it is better for the environment. Now, would my vegetarian diet make a difference to the environment? Hell no. I eat what I eat because that's what I want to eat.

Just... google this shit. I'm too lazy to get my old class slides...

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Everyone should resort to eating dandruff, snot and feces, as there is always something, somewhere dying for you.

Very eloquent, Mammy.

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Almond milk and soy milk cost just as much as regular milk at every store I've seen. And as for it not being healthier, yeah it's true that you don't get all the amino acids or types of protein or w/e from soy, if you eat other beans and crap it's fine. I've been a vegetarian since I was born (bes ...



Well, i'm lactose intolerant and HAVE to buy soy milk and it cost me two time as much as regular milk (It might be that regular milk is much cheaper here though) and i can't drink it must of the time due to the price .


I laughed at the "wasteland" thing, if the earth is overused then the animals will die too, and taking DECENT care of earth it's as important as taking good care of animals, i don't see how you can say that and be vegetarian.


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Soy bean is the most dangerous crop to earth health? Please elaborate. I'm not really familiar with agriculture but from what I remember, legumes = good for the soil because its root nodules have nitrogen fixing bacteria. That's why it's used for crop rotation.



Well, you are wrong, Argentina main importation is Soy and i can tell for certain that it's extremely exigent on the earth, it takes most of it's nutrients, that's why it must be part of a rotation of crops if you don't want to ruin the earth, but due to it's price and demand it's been constantly cropped leaven quite a lot of lands in terrible states.



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Relatively speaking, a vegetarian diet is more "eco friendly". Of course, there are exceptions, like transportation CO2 emissions and whatnot... but generally, it is better for the environment. Now, would my vegetarian diet make a difference to the environment? Hell no. I eat what I eat because that's what I want to eat.



No, ECO stands for BALANCE, eating only one kind of food it's nothing even close to balance, and cultivation is the main reason of deforestation so you won't help nature by having everyone eating vegs, but it's not like i said you shouldn't do it, i just don't like people thinking they actually have the higher moral ground or a proper solution for everything.




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i just don't like people thinking they actually have the higher moral ground or a proper solution for everything.


Yes, we have something in common!! lol

On the topic of soy, yes you're from Argentina. I currently reside in the US. Soy is one of the main crops grown here. That doesn't make me a soy specialist. Also, most soy produced are used to feed livestock, or even "biofuel", not for tofu or soy milk.

Agricultural land transformation is a main reason for deforestation... but do you think those are used to feed the growing number of vegetarians? lol No. They're not.

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You see, you are speculating big time there, we DID evolve to eat meat, at some point we didn't, also you are been quite an idiot by ignoring all the data that i dropped in this thread earlier, eating a veg diet is, BY NO MEANS, eco friendly, and that is not an opinion, its a fact, again please ask someone that knows about this (not your hippie friends but someone who actually knows) and he will give the reason to me

i apologize in advance for not reading your previous posts as i was replying to the other person instead of you, but i will comply and give some facts

in the situation of a healthy vegan diet vs a healthy meat diet, veganism still wins. it prevents many types of cancers compared to the latter, including but not limited to prostate and breast cancer. vegan diets have absolutely no cholesterol, and therefore can actually reverse and prevent heart disease. vegans have a 4% chance of contracting such diseases, whereas meat eaters have a 50% chance. lastly, meat and dairy cause your blood to become acidic. the acid can only be purged in your pee. to do this, your body takes calcium from your bones for the process, eventually causing osteoporosis. this is why countries that focus on dairy (the west moreso than the east) have a lot more instances of osteoporosis. veganism leads to longer lives.
some of the most available and easy to access sources on the aforementioned facts are forks over knives and the china study

okay, so now i have read all your points and will refute them

1) all life is equal, we will all be eaten
yes i entirely agree life is equal, but the conscious lives take priority over beings like plants
the keyword here is sentience, as in having the central nervous system to feel physical sensations such as pain, as well as emotional sensations such as fear and happiness
humans acknowledge that we shouldnt harm each other because of this sentience, yet we still kill animals even though scientists have proved that non-human animals are indeed sentient as well
in eating meat that isnt human, we are making the moral judgment that animals are lesser than humans despite them being equal, therefore violating the equality principal
when humans are cannibals, people are horrified, yet it is only "normal" to eat animals
you will be mourned once you are dead and being eaten as maggots; your corpse wont be violated
animals' deaths are laughed at and considered "yummy" and those who protest against this inequality are labeled idiotic "hippies"
fun fact: pigs are as smart as 3 year old children and smarter than all dogs
lastly, if youre talking about the "natural circle of life," why are you online? thats not natural. computers, cars, all of this isn’t in the “circle.” neither is anything in our society. carnivores do not buy meat from stores. carnivores in the wild do not herd animals together and raise them for food. they do not make a moral judgement (uniquely human) when eating, they are merely surviving

2) something about cannibalism i think
first of all, the name of the disease youre looking for is "kuru"
humans only get this from eating the brains of primates, whether human or monkey (some people who ate monkey brains in korea contracted it)
so yes, we could eat human flesh, but our ego makes us eat others because we are apparently "superior"

3) we are helping the animals by eating them, otherwise theyd starve and calves would die from pus in their mothers milk
okay, this is where youre severely uneducated
these industries are absolute hell on earth for the animals, especially dairy industries
like all other mammals, cows need to be pregnant to lactate
workers forcibly impregnate the cows on, what the industry calls, "the rape rack"
these cows all resist and cry out against the artificial insemination being violently shoved into them, much like in human rape
to get the semen, they use male bulls for other male bulls to mount, because the female cow's skeleton would snap if being mounted so much
and once again, these male bulls being mounted are tied down and resisting, so they too experience the rape, and yes, they do eventually also get broken bones
now, cows are kept pregnant CONSTANTLY for milk, so what happens to the calves? they are ripped from their mothers upon birth (to which the mother protests in extreme agony, cows are very maternal beings), and killed for veal, THEY DO NOT GET A DROP OF MILK
even local farmers that try to have "natural breeding" methods, cannot sustain that many cattle, and also kill the babies for veal
in the end, humans kill babies and steal the milk their mothers made for them; every sip you drink is a sip that was denied from a baby
also, in the dairy industry the mothers are milked relentlessly by machines that leave their udders bloody, infected, and diseased- and this-thepus- is in the milk humans drink
"one liter (a little over a quart) of Californian milk contained 298 million pus cells in 2003, 11 million more pus cells than it contained in 2002."
and because they spend their lives are spent diseased, abused, impregnated (constantly having labor cramps), in extreme grief for their babies, and in one cubicle for the entirety, dairy cows collapse from exhaustion and are physically unable to produce more by age 4, when they are taken for slaughter for meat (whereas they naturally live to be 20-25 years)
as for the animals starving to death, that is simply untrue, as proven by the economic theory of demand and supply and by past happenings
animal agriculture only continues when people contribute by eating the products- as long as people consume they will continue to mass breed animals for them
if people stopped, the businesses would no longer birth new animals, so we wouldnt have to worry about that
one warrant for that is the tyson meat business, which lost $1 billion because people eat less meat now- and therefore they raised less animals to make profit off of
moreover, if we were all to suddenly stop eating animals, not only will their numbers stop growing without reproduction, but we already have the infrastructure to support them
those large areas for slaughterhouses could be turned into sanctuaries,
also, if we can hire millions of people to kill animals, why cant we hire people to take care of animals? that seems infinitely less demanding. they could charge for visits to help keep funds for them, like a petting zoo. domestication has made it nearly impossible for these animals to return to the wild, therefore since we have doomed these animals, the least we can do is care for them
and you made some assertions about fantasy "mathematical figures" yet you havent provided any and labeled your assumptions as facts to give them validity, which they do not have
to really understand the hell they go through, a good documentary to watch is earthlings. google it and you can watch it for free on their site

4) whales and seagulls and balancing the environment
okay, first of all that was the failure of ecologists not vegans, but i understand your point of balancing the ecosystem, which is EXACTLY why veganism is imperative. meat and dairy cause more deforestation, greenhouse emissions (3 times more than the automobile industry), and demand for more soy than humans do. not to mention how their excretements contaminate water and the food supply
by not multiplying animals for consumptions and maintaining them at a lower level, we could help solve this
some facts/sources:
"Each second, an area of tropical rain forest the size of a football field is destroyed to produce 257 hamburgers.
In the next 24 hours, deforestation releases as much CO2 into the atmosphere as 8 million people flying from London to New York.
The average car produces 3 kg/day of CO2.
Clearing rain forest to produce beef for one hamburger produces 75 kg of CO2.
Livestock production (including more than just cattle) is responsible for 90% of the Amazon deforestation since 1970 to clear land for pasture and feed crops."
"The concentration of livestock increases the environmental burden, Falcon added. "Issues, like runoff and odor, that were present in rather small and diverse quantities 40 years ago have now become concentrated and significant," he said.
The meat industry also has a significant impact on global warming. Livestock production accounts for 18 percent of global greenhouse gas emissions, including 9 percent of carbon dioxide and 37 percent of methane gas emissions worldwide, according to the Livestock, Environment and Development (LEAD) Initiative, an international consortium of government and private agencies based at FAO headquarters in Rome.
More than two-thirds of all agricultural land is devoted to growing feed for livestock, while only 8 percent is used to grow food for direct human consumption, LEAD reported. If the entire world population were to consume as much meat as the Western world does-176 pounds of meat per capita per year- the global land required would be two-thirds more than what is presently used, according to Vaclav Smil, professor of environment and geography at the University of Manitoba and participant in the EVP study.
LEAD researchers also found that the global livestock industry uses dwindling supplies of freshwater, destroys forests and grasslands, and causes soil erosion, while pollution and the runoff of fertilizer and animal waste create dead zones in coastal areas and smother coral reefs. There also is concern over increased antibiotic resistance, since livestock accounts for 50 percent of antibiotic use globally, according to LEAD."
"In the Amazon the cattle sector is the largest driver of rainforest destruction, accounting for 60 to 70 percent of deforestation," writes Nikolas Kozloff, author of the forthcoming No Rain in the Amazon: How South America's Climate Change Affects the Entire Planet. "To put it in concrete terms: every eighteen seconds on average one hectare of Amazon rainforest is being lost to cattle ranchers. As if the carbon emissions resulting from cattle deforestation were not enough, consider bovine methane emissions."
Author and radio talk show host Thom Hartmann adds: "The United States imports two hundred million pounds of beef every year from El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Honduras, Costa Rica, and Panama--while the average citizen in those countries eats less meat each year than the average American house cat. This deforestation of Latin America for burgers is particularly distressing when you consider that this very fragile area contains 58% of the entire planet's rainforests. (19% are in Africa and 23% in Oceania and Southeast Asia)."
"Only 3 percent of US soybeans (by weight) go directly to human food; about 99 percent of soy meal is fed to poultry, pigs, and cattle"
i dont need "hippie friends", ive got international studies and science on my side
5) this whole evolution schtick
look, neither of us can prove if it was evolution or if humans just always ate meat. i can guess that every being is capable of it regardless of evolution because even strict herbivores eat meat in extreme situations and they don’t die (cows and pigs in slaughterhouses sometimes resort to cannibalism). either way, like i already said, can and should are two entirely different concepts

you also have a new point about balance, and to not eat only one food
do you have any idea how many different plants there are
there are only 10 or so main meats in the US
but there are literally thousands upon thousands of plants
we dont just sit around eating soy all day, yaknow

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We should just eat people instead of animals.


I like this idea!
There are a ton of people I can already imagine being cooked up...

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i apologize in advance for not reading your previous posts as i was replying to the other person instead of you, but i will comply and give some facts

in the situation of a healthy vegan diet vs a healthy meat diet, veganism still wins. it prevents many types of cancers compared to the latter, inc ...



Balance won't be achieved by eating all types of plants, trying to change something will always bring desbalance, you can't by any mean said with real proofs that eating only veg it's eco friendly and as i said that can be proven mathematically, also i didn't said you just eat soy but it is never the less the most cultivated crop as it is used to supplement for many other things, and that i can said by just looking at the direct number since my country is the biggest exporter.

About how healthy eating only veg is let me tell you something, although is well know that eating .fruits and vegs is good (obviously) eating fish, drinking milk and others non vegetarians foods is part of a much more healthy and balanced diet, all plants that can cover for what you might lack if you ignore this part of the diet (and just partially, since as you might know some people end up nedeen vitamin supplements) are always earth demanding among other things,

And it is was also pointed out before that even if you could prove vegetarianism to be 100% healthier, it will still be economically ridiculous as it will cause several thousands of animals to be no longer necessary, and even a heavyweight, their lands will be needed for cultivation to cover the demand, and in the long run the population of all human domesticated animals will drop in a terrible way, that is why it can be affirmed to be against "Ecology", since an ecosystem is also, for example, a city full of roaches, rats, humans and the like, as long as they all maintain a certain balance and one depends on the other it will still be an Ecosystem.


There is no balance in trying to make such a change based on half assed morals that come out of a sense of superiority, if you feel bad for those animals and don't want to eat them then that's perfectly fine, thinking that the world would be better with a simple change is ridiculous


And as a side note, some plants have sentiments too, just because they can't scream of pain that doesn't mean they life is worth less, some animals are killed for cultivation, just because you don't have to see their bodies on your plate that doesn't mean they life was worth less.

And this is my real opinnion on all this
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I love all creatures and don't even kill roaches because i don't think i have the right to, but i eat because that is balance and balance is the greatest thing that brings life to us all, the balance that gravity brings made this planet as well as all the stars and the balance of nature is us too as we are their sons and daughters and our buildings are nothing more than big ant holes that will someday fade away too in the infinity that is time as this balance is broken like all that is natural and we return to the circle and our bodies compound the next piece of the world to come and its new balance.


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Balance won't be achieved by eating all types of plants, trying to change something will always bring desbalance, you can't by any mean said with real proofs that eating only veg it's eco friendly and as i said that can be proven mathematically, also i didn't said you just eat soy but it is never the less the most cultivated crop as it is used to supplement for many other things, and that i can said by just looking at the direct number since my country is the biggest exporter.....



you keep talking about balance, but meat is throwing us out of balance. i dont really understand why you arent grasping this, i have repeatedly given you facts showing that it has. the deforestation, the emissions, our meat consumption is completely destroying the environment. and no you havent proved it mathematically, i have. where are you statistics? your studies and investigations?

again with the selective listening and assertions. animal products have been PROVEN to give you weaker bones, acid blood, heart disease, and cancer. dont be brainwashed by the media man, do you have any idea how much bullshit is out there? on the USDA, a prominent organization claiming the "health benefits" you have brought up, many members DIRECTLY profit from dairy industries and whatnot, and are openly affiliated with these corporations, which is actually ILLEGAL. lastly, vegans dont need supplements. i dont use them. i know more meat-eaters that take vitamins than vegans.

furthermore, argentina is the number one exporter of the biodiesel
the US and Brazil are the top exporters for edible soy

oh, so its okay to do keep doing something that kills the earth, humans, and animals, as long as you get money from it? even though that point isnt even true. if non-vegan corporations went out of business, vegan ones would replace them. again, the LAW of supply and demand against your guesses. and the population of those "livestock animals" going down helps, since there will be less carbon emissions, deforestation, etc. and no this wont affect the ecosystem, because these animals are kept inside slaughterHOUSES all their lives- indoors and separate from the environment. if they were roaming around actively being a part as biodiversity, then your point would be true. however, we raise them away from that and under our care for convenience.

oh, half assed morals? look who is fucking talking. you even have a picture of puppies as your icon, but you dont mind killing animals as long as they taste gud!!11 LollZ !!1 why dont you watch earthlings so you really know what the fuck youre trying to justify. and in no way do i feel fucking superior. the thread asked if you were a vegetarian and why, and i answered, without ever referring to anyone else. all i did was refute your and other points with facts totally void of my opinions. not to mention being called a little bitch, a piece of shit, a hippie, and being told to die. i have tried my best to be polite and even apologized, and yet i am the one who feels superior? and yes, there are multiple economic and international studies that have proved ending these systems will benefit humans, animals, and the earth and i have already goddamned provided them you are blatantly ignoring the facts and need to own up to that

plants do not have emotions, they are not sentient. this is scientifically proven because they have found plants lack a central nervous system. they have a distress calls against bugs and stuff so plants can release chemicals that repels bugs that attack the plants. that is simple evolution. and if you care so much for the plants, you still have to go vegan because to eat meat, livestock must be fed plants to grow flesh. it takes 20 pounds of corn to make one pound of beef, therefore filtering plants through animals kills more plants

i do not kill bugs either, but meat eating is not balanced
we are killing the earth
in all of human history, all the genocides and wars killed 612,000,000 humans
we kill that many animals every 5 days


edit: i got kind of angry at one point and i apologize for that.

http://earthlings.com/?page_id=32
im serious if you want to understand a bit more- watch this

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you keep talking about balance, but meat is throwing us out of balance. i dont really understand why you arent grasping this, i have repeatedly given you facts showing that it has. the deforestation, the emissions, our meat consumption is completely destroying the environment. and no you havent p ...


It's just way too stupid, i didn't wanted to believe what randomreader said but i had to, vegans are just pricks

Listen, you are way too stupid for me to actually expect you to understand shit, and have your head way up your ass to actually try to think something else, if you want statistics or math, they can be done by someone who actually feels like teaching you, go to the closest college and ask their biology teacher about differential equations to express ecosystems in mathematical language, he will be glad to illuminate you, not me tough, i'm out of this thread.


To top it off you use a movie as it was the bible (and it is the bible of the vegans for what i see), when i had seen in first person several thousands of acres of farms thanks to my location and can tell you that movie is extremist by far...


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