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Scyfon
Post #571752 - Reply to (#571750) by youni89
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lol why u guys so mad biggrin

TIL constructive feedback/criticism = people are mad


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Thats what he always reply's to constructive feedback/criticism, its like the only thing he can say to them since he doesn't have anything else. ncrdrg,asmageddon and tragicking came with valid feedbacks/criticism just to be replied with so mad, nuff said.

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@ strixflash- wink Enjoying the conversation? I am glad that there doesnt exist a single person who is a fan of their shitty site on MU. Still you should try to read only one scans insteas of both as the 'fast scans preview' ruins the enjoyment of the quality scans.

@ youni89- Care to answer our questions? I am sure that you are just using "lol" here while getting frustrated and pissed. We were giving you a honest review and you should be gratefull for that.
If you believe we are wrong,then kindly state your reasons here. Please provide a good explaination. Tell us how I am wrong on my those 3-4 points.

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@Scyfon / Kaitentsuki- I am sure he will tell that you guys are also mad like he said to us.

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@QueenVIP: You obviously didnt read the thread carefully. No one is bashing MP as we dont have any reasons to do that embarrassed. We are in the limits of the topic and we are just stating our views on the topic for which the thread was created.
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QueenVIP
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I think it is best to ask Youni89 about MangaPirate at his forum site:
MangaPirate's SoapBox. Please everyone, go there to discuss your crap.

Plus, here is a quote from the web-designer of MangaPirate:
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I'm tired of all this bullshit between us and egs, so is youni. The mods of Manga Updates have already said they don't like these posts. Claudia I'm going to ask you stop posting here. If you need to vent about how terrible we are, do it on your own site. Seeing as how you ban anyone who posts on your site even sympathizing with us, it'll be in impossible for our two communities to meet. I've gone ahead created a designated thread on our forum just for this purpose. I promise we wont't ban you or any of your friends for posting there, post whatever the hell you want. We don't give a shit. I just want to relive MangaUpdates of the burden of all this turmoil. It's not their problem; this is between MangaPirate and EasyGoing Scans. So Claudia, stop trying to drag them into it.
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QueenVIP, i didn't see anyone from EGS..coming here and getting back on this dried convo again, why should you dragging us back "again" on this road , huh ?

I have seen constructive/objective and intelligent criticism the last few pages (Hello Nic /kiss ~).
I don't see the reason to make this thread a thread EGS vs Mangapirate..we are discussing quality over speed scans and also a bit about mangapirate quality of work.

Since, i can't sleep (i am an EGS admin) i am gonna try to answer once and for all your questions.
We don't give a shit about MP..at first sure we were pissed, normal and human reaction.

Plus we were kind of irked by the processus used (half-assed agreggate site/half-assed scanlation team). We could have gone for being faster, enter a competition and decrease our quality of work.

But honestly, we didn't see the point. About Having one day or a few hour of delay with such a huge gap of quality. Maybe we were even faster today than them with HQ scans..

We have ban someone yes..the guys coming apparently on MP behalf telling us we were doing "their" project and that we'd better shut down and join them...good supporter indeed (http://forum.egscans.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6953& d=1343640850).

I don't recall us creating a Youni-scans thing neither do we have a scroll saying "ewww it's
Youni" on our site. Really, really childish. Grow some balls will you ?

As for this thread they created on their forum, sigh, really ? Like i said we don't give a shit.

We are scanlators, we are doing this as an hobby, we aren't gaining money with it..we do it for the others who share the same passion for manga..I saw T1 saying something about how the money from donation is used.

If you look at our site, every donation is written in a thread, we don't hide how much we are paying for the server neither how much a book raw costs and when we do have a little extra money we are offering books raws to contest winners which also helps the authors.

So, i am sure everyone is bored and bored again of this stupid convo..So, i hope it's the last time someone is bringing it up. I hope we'll stay on the subject for the time being.

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tragicking, Dawn_ ...although you make very interesting points, you are misunderstanding my mutual reasoning. And I am not surprised by this - because Staff members of Easy Going Scans (and some of their fans) always find ways to make themselves feel like they are the royalty of scanlations, when the reality of the matter is that they are afraid ...afraid that the little bread crumbs that they eat off the dirty floor won't be enough to satisfy their hungry stomachs.

Questions that are thrown here are meant to make MangaPirate look bad especially when those same questions are thrown together with negativity and lack of respect. Which makes things totally difficult for members of MangaPirate to answer with the courtesy that you may want him to. Members of MangaPirate are not as repeatedly available on this forum as they are on their own site. Bullies make use of this chance to spit out anything they can before Youni can answer. Later, admins and mods would see this thread as an unnecessary pain and decide to close it. Leaving us no where.

I was merely trying to redirect people who have their questionable and intelligent criticisms somewhere more beneficial. I merely posted rozzzly's quote for people's opinions to reach their site directly so that MangaPirate could seriously take notice of the complaints and improve.



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What do you think?

I don't really care about group squabbles over projects, but evidence seems to point that mp deliberately started out just to antagonized groups.

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When you get a faster release of a manga, even if the quality is inferior, do you read it? Would you read it? (In case you don't follow any of these series.)

Yeah I'd read it, especially if it's a series I really, really like and it's been months since the last release.

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Do you see the difference in quality?

I wouldn't know since I've never read an mp release.

I go to work, go to school, feed my dog, take a shower, go out with friends, do whatever else I've got to do with my life, and by the time I get to reading - the groups originally working on it have already released it.

Besides most of what I read, no groups are fighting over laugh

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QueenVIP,that was an extremly rude response from a leecher. If you have even slightest knowledge,then you should know who licks from floor. While I supoort MP's scanlation part sometimes,I am against their aggregiation part. And well aggregiation is nothing but scums eating from the so called dirty floor. You really disappoint me.

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confused I see many people being angry...what just happened? Quality is important, but speed is also important. both can be balanced, like Rosario Vampire manga. Vampire Knight and Arina Tanemura's books. confused smile

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QueenVIP, i don't think that MP need anyone to make them look bad. You only have to read the last 2 pages and the response who were given to these constructive criticism you're asking for.

Secondly, i invite you to come see us at EGS, to see if we think as ourselves as the "royalty of scanlation..". Nobody in scanlation would ever think that (if you have ever been doing it), we are all doing that as an hobby with no ulterior motive than sharing our love for manga.

it's an ungrateful and tough job, you hardly have a thanks..so it's hard to feel being a royalty lol. I am more than happy if i have one comment saying me "thanks" on my projects..which happen not that often, sigh..

As for being afraid blablabla. Honestly, no. The thing we are afraid is seeing the last scanlators who are trying to do this with passion without putting ads everywhere..on their reader or becoming aggregate site disappearing. Because, it's them that make you discover beautiful manga.

We are also afraid to see HQ scans disappearing and being replaced by fast scan everywhere with half-good translation and not giving credits to the author be it by the art or the name. Not for money or for us. But because we are all leechers and it's an awful thing to read a manga you like while it is being butchered by bad scanlation work.

Any scanlator could understand that fear. Because the freedom and joy we use to have in this community is year by year disappearing.I don't think it is a good thing because in some years when all scanlators would have stopped working and there will be only aggregate site everywhere.

You'll be ending up with only Shonen Jump being scanlated...and probably badly..i look forward to that future..

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lol why u guys so mad biggrin


because you are personally provoking people with barely unnoticable insults


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tragicking, Dawn_ ...although you make very interesting points, you are misunderstanding my mutual reasoning. And I am not surprised by this - because Staff members of Easy Going Scans (and some of their fans) always find ways to make themselves feel like they are the royalty of scanlations, when the reality of the matter is that they are afraid ...afraid that the little bread crumbs that they eat off the dirty floor won't be enough to satisfy their hungry stomachs.

How is this linked to EGS? I dont understand how EGS is responsible for the points pointed out on MP. If you have eyes and some common sense,even you can notice the faults in their translations.
Did we(FYI EGS staff wasnt there from last 2 pages) said MP cant do that series in last 2 pages? Sure we pointed out that in the start as it is complete waste of time and skills(if any) to waste on a project already done by someone else. But that topic have already closed and we are only talking about their mistakes in quality...No! We are pointing out them.
Eating from dirty floor? Look who is speaking . I really dont like to use "lol" everywhere but seriousley after reading this I cant stop laughing.
Seriousley have some common sense.If you are smart enough,you would have already realized who is the one who licks the dirty floor and who is the one who is doing this only for money and nothing else. The answer is obviously your youni89-sama.
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Questions that are thrown here are meant to make MangaPirate look bad especially when those same questions are thrown together with negativity and lack of respect. Which makes things totally difficult for members of MangaPirate to answer with the courtesy that you may want him to. Members of MangaPirate are not as repeatedly available on this forum as they are on their own site. Bullies make use of this chance to spit out anything they can before Youni can answer. Later, admins and mods would see this thread as an unnecessary pain and decide to close it. Leaving us no where.

I was merely trying to redirect people who have their questionable and intelligent criticisms somewhere more beneficial. I merely posted rozzzly's quote for people's opinions to reach their site directly so that MangaPirate could seriously take notice of the complaints and improve.



Soapbox? Nah,we arent interested in those lowly tricks and especially seeing the posts in that section,I have already realized what will be the outcome to post there.
I am tired of telling you this again and again but please read carefully atleast last few pages.
I seem to realize what are the perfect courtseyfull and respectfull answers from your point of view.
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lol why u guys so mad biggrin

Above one is the most respectfull answer,right? If you get free time please read the posts for which youni89 replied this and you will understand who was mocking and who were just stating their logical views. Please read carefully those points and if you want you can explain them in place of youni89 as he seems pretty busy and even if he isnt,the above quote will be his only regular answer.
No one is making this a soapbox except you two unless you believe logical claims to be as mockery and disrespect.
And just to let you know,I have given up here as I am well aware what will will be the replies awaiting from you and MP staff.



Kurru
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8:23 am, Oct 3 2012
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My only require minimum quality. I can be happy with anything as long as the english isn't terrible.

Dont care about your vs you're at all.

I just want more of my favourite mangas!

Arigatomina
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7:11 am, Oct 5 2012
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Considering how few people in this thread can write in legible English, we're probably lucky that any translations are readable these days.

I don't know either of the groups that are fighting and I don't care. When getting a scanlation, my primary concern is that the translation be readable. I don't care if the typesetting is a little sloppy or the raws aren't very high quality. I read scanlations so I don't have to bother with the Japanese myself. When it's harder to make sense of the English than it is to decipher the Japanese, then you might as well just share the raws and let people google-translate it themselves. Even if the translation isn't very accurate, it only takes a proofreader to make it read as if it were. I understand that a lot of translators have English as their second, third, and even fourth language. That's fine. Just get an English-speaking proofreader to rewrite your rough translation so that it's legible. If you're already using a proofreader, and your translations are still coming out garbled, try switching to someone whose first language is English and who can write in complete sentences and knows the difference between its and it's and your and you're. If you honestly can't find anyone capable of that, then just post a recruitment thread here asking for someone with good English. There are plenty of English fans who can't translate or edit, but who would love to help out.

As for long waits between updates, I would rather have a sketchily cleaned scanlation quickly than wait forever for a "perfect" scanlation with every little sfx redrawn. It should not take longer to clean a single page than it does to translate the entire chapter. If that's what is holding the scanlation up, then it might be time to lower your standards a little. On the other hand, if the raws are so bad you can't even make out the art, then you might as well just offer a text-only translation to tide the readers over until better raws are available. A nice middle ground is preferable.

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It does take longer to clean a chapter of webtoon than translating it.

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