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neonkitty
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1) you must be boring as fuck to need it to have fun
2) you are just that berserk to need it to be "chill"
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3) you must be that stupidly depressed if you think drugs are a good escape.
you ask, "how am i stupid?"


Those are some big generalizations. Not everyone uses it as some form of 'escape' - like alcohol it is a very good social lubricant and helps ease the mind of those not always at calm with themselves in social situations. Some of the most interesting folks I know smoke weed, hell some of em grow their own stuff.

You sound very tense, maybe you oughta roll a joint yourself someday laugh


so because people are uncomfortable with themselves or tense they resort to drugs and alcohol to ease themselves up. that sounds like a form of escape to me. that more provides an example for my first and second reasons.

and no thank you, i'm happy living a drug-free life.

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so because people are uncomfortable with themselves or tense they resort to drugs and alcohol to ease themselves up. that sounds like a form of escape to me. that more provides an example for my first and second reasons.

and no thank you, i'm happy living a drug-free life.


[generalization] "Drug-free" people don't know how to capitalize. [/generalization]


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I do see plenty of evidence of people having been heavily propagandized here. I didn't know the anti-drug propaganda worked so well.

My idea is that as a matter of principle people should be able to do with their bodies and spirits what they want. That should certainly extend to smoking marijuana if they want to. Other recreational drugs should be legalized if actual scientific studies show they're no more harmful than alcohol.

I will also add that the militant tone of some of the anti-drug responses may also be due to the fact that most of the responders are probably young. When you're young, the world lies before you, and you're full of vigor. Why would you need drugs? You have hope and energy.

But as an old guy I can tell you that life has a way of turning out to be a pretty boring business. I recently retired from a big organization, and I saw plenty of evidence that lots of the cubicle dwellers were bored out of their minds, or even more miserable than that. People tend to get trapped like that after they have kids.

Some recreational drugs would probably make the gray lives of lots of us better.

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so because people are uncomfortable with themselves or tense they resort to drugs and alcohol to ease themselves up. that sounds like a form of escape to me. that more provides an example for my first and second reasons.

and no thank you, i'm happy living a drug-free life.


[generalization] "Drug-free" people don't know how to capitalize. [/generalization]


sorry, i don't care much for grammar when on a forum. o_O

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Well, over here Marijuana is legal, and i think that's ok. It does not have much of an effect on me tough.


Are you sure about that? Since it would explain a lot of things.


Na, when i smoke i only get angry, i'm a happy guy most of the time (not really happy but i look that way), Marijuana tends to let your inner self free.

I'm actually violent and easy to angry. laugh

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Well, over here Marijuana is legal, and i think that's ok. It does not have much of an effect on me tough.


Are you sure about that? Since it would explain a lot of things.


Na, when i smoke i only get angry, i'm a happy guy most of the time (not really happy but i look that way), Marijuana tends to let your inner self free.

I'm actually violent and easy to angry. laugh


Well if what you claim is true you are clearly a miserable person and you should probably seek help from a professional.

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Klapzi is kind of wrong about the undeveloped countries tho. legalizing drugs there will make the bussiness open as theres no need to do it behind the law. some part of it may stay hidden because countries will put taxes on it tho(ya they are greedy and most other stuff is taxed bigrazz why not make money legaly with drugs too?). crime rate concerned to drugs will go down because instead of trying to stop it pólice will help them stop theft. Crime to make money to buy drugs(high addictive ones) may get higher BUT as now you can care about quality legislation will make them less likely to addict people and now u can legaly ask for money from Banks and stuff to buy drugs.


Nope, there are LOTS of reasons to do it outside the law, and therefore, there is "need".

I never said crimes related to drugs will go down, I just said that crimes not related to drugs would go up. And they are worse than the crimes related to drug.

I know it is hard for people from the first world to understand that but:

Drug traffic controls crime. Leading drug traffickers act like emperors in their community, they have an empire to maintain, and it can only be maintained with order.

What causes crime is not drug traffic, what causes crime is social inequality. Why would someone who lives in the slums wish to study? State controlled schools are shit, and with a shitty school you will never get in a good university, and with a bad university you will never get a good job. Is the job better than the one I could get without studying? Slightly, but hardly worth the 16 years of study.

So, what will I do if I dream to be like the people in the movies and the TV? To buy my mother a decent home? To have a good life, to be free from hunger and eat anything I wish to? To give my children a good school and a future??

Crime.

So are you saying that everyone who enters crime gets out rich? No, in fact, most of them die before they are 18. But it is a path with the hope of a dream life, an few people can resist it's pull

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Ah, and as to banks giving money for people to use drugs....

What actually happens:
The bank will tell the person to put their belongings like houses and shit as insurance of payment, obviously, the person won't be able to pay the money back and the bank will take his house as payment.
Selling his house would have given him more money to buy drugs and the same result as lending from the bank, which means that banks will actually make him a beggar/robber faster, not slower.


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I personally don't see anything good in them and drugs in general so definitely no.

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Well if what you claim is true you are clearly a miserable person and you should probably seek help from a professional.


Sure, let's make judgements about people's mental health based on a single thing which is really quite arbitrary and subjective.

Anyway, in my opinion, since drinking alcohol and smoking tobacco is legal, I don't see why other less dangerous drugs should be illegal. Many drugs are not only less harmful than alcohol or tobacco but less addictive. There's only a certain extent to which the government should be permitted to tell you how to live your life. In terms of other people suggesting the decision to use drugs shows some sort of weakness of character, you can believe that if you want but that is not a valid argument for or against legalising recreational drugs. In the end, your personal opinions should really not have any impact over the way someone else is allowed to live their life. If someone wants to take drugs, and risk it screwing with their body or mind for whatever reason (misuse, overdose, addiction), I believe that is their choice to make. Though the most dangerous drugs should remain illegal. Legalising the softer drugs would allow greater resources to crack down on the hard ones, and thus help prevent the gateway drug phenomenon, if that's really a major problem.

Despite my pro-legalisation stance, I've never done any drugs. I drink alcohol occasionally but that's it. I'd probably try some drugs if they were legalised, though.

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Well if what you claim is true you are clearly a miserable person and you should probably seek help from a professional.


Sure, let's make judgements about people's mental health based on a single thing which is really quite arbitrary and subjective.
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Thanks a lot for the help there, but i don't mind what LawX says anyway laugh laugh


Marijuana helps with quite a number of sickness and it damage much less the lungs than normal cigarettes (if any).

People react to it in differents ways but for most people the effect it's almost nothing (what you see on t.v. or on the internet is full of cr@p believe me), it's already legal over here, but you can't sell it (for example i get it cos the brother of my friend have a few plants). You might experience a little lose of balance but, as i said, it's almost nothing.


EDIT: But if you are talking about addictive drugs (Marijuana doesn't fit on that category since it has been proved that is impossible to develop a physical addiction to it) i think they should not legalize them under any situation, most of them can really f@@ck you up, and send you in a trip from which you won't ever come back.

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Marijuana helps with quite a number of sickness and it damage much less the lungs than normal cigarettes (if any).


Not actually factual. I won't get into the rest of your thinking because that opens up a huge can of worms that I don't have the energy to deal with, but this specific line bothers me. It doesn't really matter what you're smoking, inhaling smoke is bad for you. The studies basically suggest that marijuana smokers simply smoke less often than tobacco smokers (no one really smokes 5-10 joints every day). It may contain less in the way of carcinogens, but smoke itself causes plenty of internal damage if you're inhaling it regularly, so that's not an argument that's hugely in your favor.

Actually responding to the thread, it definitely depends on the drug. I'm fine with legalizing pot, and if something can be used reasonably without major side effects, it doesn't bother me. That said, we end up with problems when things spread too much. Opium wars, anyone? When a drug can bring down an entire empire, it's probably something that shouldn't be legalized. We live and die by our excesses, and it's best to limit them whenever possible.

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Marijuana helps with quite a number of sickness and it damage much less the lungs than normal cigarettes (if any).


Not actually factual. I won't get into the rest of your thinking because that opens up a huge can of worms that I don't have the energy to deal with, but this specific line bothers me. It doesn't really matter what you're smoking, inhaling smoke is bad for you. The studies basically suggest that marijuana smokers simply smoke less often than tobacco smokers (no one really smokes 5-10 joints every day). It may contain less in the way of carcinogens, but smoke itself causes plenty of internal damage if you're inhaling it regularly, so that's not an argument that's hugely in your favor.

Actually responding to the thread, it definitely depends on the drug. I'm fine with legalizing pot, and if something can be used reasonably without major side effects, it doesn't bother me. That said, we end up with problems when things spread too much. Opium wars, anyone? When a drug can bring down an entire empire, it's probably something that shouldn't be legalized. We live and die by our excesses, and it's best to limit them whenever possible.



Well, i didn't read the hole thing but:

Cigarettes have: Tar and Cd (a lot more of shit actually), thats enough to make it much more harmful than Marijuana ... it does matter what you are smoking.

Also, we smoke with a water pipe, like most people here, it helps clean most of the compounds made in the combustion.

I'm not just saying whatever comes to my mind, i really do have a technical degree on chemistry and can tell you this (proven facts) :

Marijuana IS used as therapy for cancer
Marijuana is NOT addictive, since it doesn't have any compound that could make you develop a necessity for it.

I could go on, but i really don't feel like it...

Belive me, i have both the theoretical and practical knowledge to say that the Tetrahydrocannabinol have no harmful effect on the body , and that's not something i can tell about the Nicotine


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I'm not just saying whatever comes to my mind, i really do have a technical degree on chemistry and can tell you this (proven facts) :

Marijuana IS used as therapy for cancer
Marijuana is NOT addictive, since it doesn't have any compound that could make you develop a necessity for it.


Exept that it's not true.
Marijuana may be used by cancer patients, but it's not used as a therapy for cancer; it's used to alleviate the pain, because the amount and kind of medication the patient would have to take otherwise would be much more harmful, but it doesn't do anything against cancer.
Moreover, marijuana is addictive; I've seen people become addicted to it. You don't get hooked on a substance; you get hooked on the feeling it gives you. It may not wreck your body, but it may very well wreck your social relationships.

I don't see any harm in it being legalised though; people who want it will always find a way to get it, and if it's legalised the government can put taxes on it and draw up standards for production.
I, personally, have never done drugs, nor do I intend to; in my opinion, they're just a waste of money.

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I'm not just saying whatever comes to my mind, i really do have a technical degree on chemistry and can tell you this (proven facts) :

Marijuana IS used as therapy for cancer
Marijuana is NOT addictive, since it doesn't have any compound that could make you develop a necessity for it.


Exect that it's not true.
Marijuana may be used by cancer patients, but it's not used as a therapy for cancer; it's used to alleviate the pain, because the amount and kind of medication the patient would have to take otherwise would be much more harmful, but it doesn't do anything against cancer.
Moreover, marijuana is addictive; I've seen people become addicted to it. You don't get hooked on a substance; you get hooked on the feeling it gives you. It may not wreck your body, but it may very well wreck your social relationships.

I don't see any harm in it being legalised though; people who want it will always find a way to get it, and if it's legalised the government can put taxes on it and draw up standards for production.
I, personally, have never done drugs, nor do I intend to; in my opinion, they're just a waste of money.


i know from experience it isnt addictive. i quit a while back cold turkey after remaining high nearly 24 hours a day for months at a time, and for several stretches over about 6-7 years(started when i was 10 or so as well so there is even the underage aspect that would make addiction easier)... i felt annoyed and bored, but i had no withdrawals of any kind, mental or physical. you seem to be under the misconception that wanting it really badly is the same as being addicted. addiction is when it becomes a necessity to your body/mind in order for you to operate. addiction is when a crackhead starts fading reality and stabs someone because they couldnt get their high.... or when on withdrawal from heroin they start into hallucinations and pain... or on a lesser extent someone having hot/cold flashes and other abnormalities when quitting cigarettes. not some jack-a with no self control that couldnt stop just cuz it felt good.

totally right on the money thing tho... unless you sell it...... but that has a lot of add-on risks and is not recommended to anyone who dislikes angry police dogs/police men.(even less recommended for those who run slow bigrazz )

btw i saw in earlier posts that i was apparently "selfish" for my drug use so id like to ask why. its not really anything new to add chemicals to the body for reasons of bringing forth emotions and relaxation. it has probably been done since the beginning of time(indians i.e. used them for ceremonies and even to reach a discovery about themselves through visions). i dont see how its any more selfish to spend time smoking with your friends then it is to spend money on other entertainment such as games/movies/theme parks... its just that.. a source of entertainment. contrary to what appears to be popular belief we didnt roam the streets pillaging and raping. we stayed around laughing way too hard for the amount of comedy that had just happened, have the same "interesting" convos every once in awhile. maybe went so far as make some retarded sporting event that ends in a few bruises. then we wandered off to bed, crashed, and got our crap together for the next day of school/work... so what exactly did i miss thats so terrible... was it the part that i used thc to help relax instead of ethanol/nicotine/caffeine... i dont see how the fact that the government made certain chemicals legal and certain ones illegal for the sake of profit has anything to do with my being selfish/horrible. people on this site need to learn to think for themselves and not just believe everything bigbrother says.

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you seem to be under the misconception that wanting it really badly is the same as being addicted. addiction is when it becomes a necessity to your body/mind in order for you to operate.


It's not really a misconception; see here an abridged entry for addiction from the OED.

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a. The state or condition of being dedicated or devoted to a thing, esp. an activity or occupation; adherence or attachment, esp. of an immoderate or compulsive kind.
b. Immoderate or compulsive consumption of a drug or other substance; spec. a condition characterized by regular or poorly controlled use of a psychoactive substance despite adverse physical, psychological, or social consequences, often with the development of physiological tolerance and withdrawal symptoms; an instance of this. Freq. with to (the addictive substance), or with distinguishing word.


You obviously use addiction in sense 1b, and in that sense the use of marijuana is not an addiction. However, if a person for whatever reason cannot abstain from marijuana, thus making the use of marijuana an adherence of the compulsive kind for this person, the use of marijuana can be an addiction in the sense 1a.

The only thing your example shows is that you weren't addicted (probably); it does not prove that marijuana itself cannot be addictive.

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