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Marvel Avengers vs. Shounen J. Alliance

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Which united team from this site (http://funnymama.com/post/95479) do you think will win? Please state your argument afterwards.
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daboiwunda
Post #563768 - Reply to (#563126) by BlackOrion
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ok dude i see u dont know much about marvel... they have like 4 immortals on their team, iron man is just as strong as thor in the comics, and hulk cant die... there's a lot more details to go with it but in the end marvel will edge it out. im an anime fan so don't hate me, but fictional facts speak volumes. with a ton of ppl who literally cant die, the avengers will win

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If people haven't noticed, the link to the teams is in the poll itself: http://funnymama.com/post/95479 (reposting for people who didn't see it.)

Avengers: Thor, Iron Man, Captain America, The Hulk, Hawkeye, Black Widow

Shounen J: Goku, Luffy, Ichigo, Naruto, and the guy from the manga with the mafia... and the flaming gloves... and the egg-headed South Park-like teacher. Oh, and the MC from Fairy Tail.

This gets a whole lot more confusing when you don't know what members there are. As someone said, throwing in the Scarlet Witch changes everything. It doesn't matter how powerful Goku or anyone else is, she can just unmake them.

But I think the winner is pretty obvious when we look at the rosters as indicated by the OP.

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Quote from daboiwunda
ok dude i see u dont know much about marvel... they have like 4 immortals on their team, iron man is just as strong as thor in the comics, and hulk cant die... there's a lot more details to go with it but in the end marvel will edge it out. im an anime fan so don't hate me, but fictional facts speak ...


Hulk was defeated by Super-man in the cross over and with just his name, deatnote, he is as good as dead, Ironman was deafeated by Namor by just removing his helmet under water before CivilWars, and Thor had died more than once.

If Ryuk alone were to fight (if he actually wanted to) he would win no problem. He can't be hit by physical means, and he can see people names and use them to make them die in whichever way he wants.


I had read many MarvelComics, you just hadn't read enough manga.


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If people haven't noticed, the link to the teams is in the poll itself: http://funnymama.com/post/95479 (reposting for people who didn't see it.)

Avengers: Thor, Iron Man, Captain America, The Hulk, Hawkeye, Black Widow

Shounen J: Goku, Luffy, Ichigo, Naruto, and the guy from the manga with t ...



If that's the team then there is not much to add, Black Widow, Capitan America and Hawk-eye are in the way, the others alone can take care of it.
Ironman sucks SUCKS, but depending which Armour he is using he can be a real problem.

BUT, Luffy can't be hurt with thunder nor normal hits, for example, so it isn't absolutely one-sided.

The problem is that in USA comics there is hardly an standard point for their powers, it changes greatly, all the comics fans i had ever met will be against this but i don't think it will be that easy to win for the Avengers.



Picture this; What if one of the SJ aliance can take Thors hammer?. In the first DC/Marver Cross Over Wonder-Woman took thor hammer and used it, lets not forget they are from other dimensions so they could worth of it.

Then there is the way the battle goes, if its a Luffy vs Thor Battle it won't be that easy for thor to win (for the reasons i said before), Hulk can't survive in the space but Saiyans can for a short time, Goku wouldn't do it but if he wanted he could take hulk to space and leave him there, and iroman power would depend on which Armour he is using, if it's the regular one it might not be able to stand against the combined fire power of the others SJ members.

As i said, don't think the SJ guys don't stand a chance.

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I don't even know why this is even debatable.... Goku is the strongest in the Universe and is EXTREMELY overpowered. Majin Buu was virtually indestructible with his incredible regenerative abilities and Goku wiped him off the face of the universe. The strongest people on the Avengers team imo would be Thor and Hulk, but Goku would be able to kill them since Goku gets super OP'd when he turns SSJ4. Ironman's ability would be depended on which suit he is using. Captain America, Black Widow and Hawkeye would be quick killings. They are extremely skilled, but they are not fast enough for the rest of the SJ Alliance. But, Captain America does have a shield that is virtually indestructible, Ichigo would have to steal it since he has extreme speed. I think that Tsunayoshi/Naruto would be the weakest on the SJ Alliance(but not sure, since I don't like Naruto and dropped KHR).
I know it's biased, but I'm for the SJ Alliance.

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Quote from Spearsmen620
I don't even know why this is even debatable.... Goku is the strongest in the Universe and is EXTREMELY overpowered. Majin Buu was virtually indestructible with his incredible regenerative abilities and Goku wiped him off the face of the universe. The strongest people on the Avengers team imo would ...


Agreed. I'm pretty sure anyone still vouching for the Avengers either:

A. Didn't read the members of the teams.

or

B. Hasn't seen more than the first quarter of Dragonball Z. (Hell, kid Goku could have taken on the Avengers by transforming into his ape form.) Marvel tries to keep at least a hint of realism. Dragonball never tried.

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Quote from Spawnblade
Agreed. I'm pretty sure anyone still vouching for the Avengers either:

A. Didn't read the members of the teams.

or

B. Hasn't seen more than the first quarter of Dragonball Z. (Hell, kid Goku could have taken on the Avengers by transforming into his ape form.) Marvel tries to keep at least ...



i do think the Avengers won't win, but you are Wrong if you think they are not as Over Powered, Hulk even Lifted a Whole Mountain onces, something that is way over 400tons that Goku used to Train in the other realm, Again, i still think the SJ Aliance will win but don't underestimate how stupid the numbers are in Comics (like for example, and i know that is DC, how Flash is "Several times faster than Light")

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Shonen jump alliance Wins hands down anyone who says otherwise needs to see goku destroy planets and ichigo getsuga tenshoing people biggrin biggrin

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this thread is a major facepalm.

Contrary to the movies, there are a shit ton of characters apart of the avengers than, Hulk, Iron man, Thor, Captain America, black widow and hawkeye -.- looking at you spawnblade. Hell they aren't even the strongest avengers either, considering neither Dr. Strange or Ms. Marvel are listed. Also there exist things in the marvel universe that could level the playing field if fighting goku, like the infinity gems.

BlackOrion: if villains from SJ could be added, then so could Marvel's, actually that brings this to my second point. this thread is having a subsection of the entirety of Marvel face off against the entirety of SJ, that's hardly fair.

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Quote from Veltwolfsleer
BlackOrion: if villains from SJ could be added, then so could Marvel's, actually that brings this to my second point. this thread is having a subsection of the entirety of Marvel face off against the entirety of SJ, that's hardly fair.



The thing was "The avengers vs SJ aliance", we never talk about fair, since i didn't know who were in the alliance if it was all the Shonen Jump Against the Avengers all i said was that the avengers stand no chance (or at least that they both have fu*ked up characters)

I know there is more for the avengers, but latter on it was said that the show off was between the people in the picture.

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The question was based on the picture, so I will answer based on the available characters. Really, the battle is between team Hulk/Thor/Ironman vs team Goku/Ichigo/Naruto/Luffy. All other characters are too weak to make a difference. Bear in mind I am a HUGE Marvel fan as well as a HUGE manga fan.

The fight goes somewhat like this. (if it's a fight to the death)

Because all of the JUMP characters have rediculous speed (especially Goku and Naruto) and the Avengers caracters don't, Goku would probably SSJ3/4 and blast Hulk into nothingness before he could get angry enough to do anything about it. Thor and Ironman would probably meet the same fate, and the fight would probably last about .6 seconds with Goku being the only one to even move a muscle the entire time.

Note: This is not because JUMP characters are inherently stronger than Marvel Characters. It was just a bad match-up made by someone who was biased in favor of JUMP. One could very easily change the situation by puting them up against the X-Men (when the proffesor was still alive). In that situation, the proffesor could single-handedly wipe them all out, except for Luffy and Naruto because Luffy's Haki would give him resistance to mental pressure and Kurama would kick Xavier out of Naruto's head. Naruto and Luffy would then be levitated by Jean and blasted by Cyclops. Naruto would die and Luffy would deflect it with Haki. Xavier would now focus all his power into breaking Luffy's mind and succede albeit luffy would probably take out a few guys with his Haki powered elephant gattling, but xavier would stay safely out of range.

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How much time and preparation are we talking here? Because the Avengers have routinely pulled out tech capable of stopping Galactus.

Heck, if we accept MVC3 as acceptable canon for this throw-down, then Iron Man has a Galactus Buster armor that would easily put him on par with Goku.

And if we're talking about all of the characters at their absolute most broken state, the entire fight would basically come down to Goku and Ichigo pounding on the Hulk while moving faster than him until they get absolutely tired out, and then the Hulk smashing both.

Because at it's most ludicrous the Hulk essentially regenerates from anything, making him essentially invincible and immortal.

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Quote from zimzimbadabim
The question was based on the picture, so I will answer based on the available characters. Really, the battle is between team Hulk/Thor/Ironman vs team Goku/Ichigo/Naruto/Luffy. All other characters are too weak to make a difference. Bear in mind I am a HUGE Marvel fan as well as a HUGE manga fan.
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And what about the lighting fast movement of Naruto?, it wouldn't be that easy to catch him with Jean Telepathy, also, goku showed some degree of Telepathy and great mind control (even tough he was always kind of an idiot bigrazz ) and Ichigo, too, has some kind of demon inside his head, so i don't think it will end there for them and even tough you don't know him Natsu (who isn't even from Shonen Jump) can eat energy so if he were to survive he could do something with Cyclops rays.
Also, the Professor was one of the strongest mutants but his powers had been blocked several times in the past.

But overall i agree with you in most things, i just don't think the Avengers will go down that easily (lol JK, i'm only talking about Hulk and Thor, i do think they will lose, but it will take some more time that 1 second), its just hard to make a cross over battle it won't ever be something people will agree on.


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How much time and preparation are we talking here? Because the Avengers have routinely pulled out tech capable of stopping Galactus.

Heck, if we accept MVC3 as acceptable canon for this throw-down, then Iron Man has a Galactus Buster armor that would easily put him on par with Goku.

And if we're ...


Hulk will die if Goku takes him to space, there is no need to "fight" him to win, just take him somewhere he couldn't survive in, or for example Luffy can't be killed with fist, or Ichigo can open portals (gargantas) and send hulk there.

Hulk is not invincible he was defeated by Superman too.

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I'm sorry but how would that battle even be fair? Lol Shounen J. Alliance HANDS DOWN.


If Light was in there with his Death Note, then there wouldn't even be a need for any "Shounen J. Alliance" - maybe if he needed some protection but otherwise, he could fly solo. laugh

Edit: I say Shounen J. Alliance would win if all the characters were powered up to their extreme form. But honestly, I couldn't give a rat's ass about comics so I don't really know how powerful the Avengers are.

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Why do people think Light is stronger than Goku? Goku can blow up the earth without trying. Light, on the other hand, can't write names down faster than people are born. Hell, he goes to write down Goku's name, and Goku just instantaneously teleports over and grabs his hand.

Light is more of a 'counterpick' to other godly beings. But Goku doesn't need to counterpick anyone outside of the DBZ universe because he's that broken. On a side note, what happens if Light writes down Goku's name, but he just dies and comes back? You can't kill him if he's visiting from the spirit world. And we've seen he's still full on wreck-mode when "dead".

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Quote from BlackOrion
Hulk will die if Goku takes him to space, there is no need to "fight" him to win, just take him somewhere he couldn't survive in, or for example Luffy can't be killed with fist, or Ichigo can open portals (gargantas) and send hulk there.

Hulk is not invincible he was defeated by Superman too.

Hulk has been to space. He didn't give a shit.

And once again, we're talking about them at their most powerful. Comic books have extremely fluctuating power levels, to the point where Batman can take a punch from Darkseid without turning into paste.

And at his most ludicrous, the Hulk regenerates from everything.

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If Light was in there with his Death Note, then there wouldn't even be a need for any "Shounen J. Alliance" - maybe if he needed some protection but otherwise, he could fly solo. laugh

Light fails spectacularly, because he's going up against an entire team of people who have spent their lives hiding their true identities. And believe me, when he's going up against a giant, angry green monster, writing down "Hulk" is not going save him in the slightest.

Not to mention that several Avengers don't actually have lifespans for the Death Note to take away.

And guys like Ghost Rider might as well be the equivalent of Shinigami, so good luck with that.

And if you really want to go down that route, the Death Note is pathetic in terms of power levels. Marvel and DC universes all have multitudes of characters that can rewrite reality. "I write your name and you die" is absolutely nothing compared to "I don't like you, you're now a rock".

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