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President Election: Obama VS Romney

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movingstone
Post #569188
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4:25 am, Sep 8 2012
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For the person that mentioned Ron Paul, newsflash for you, it doesn't matter how principle you are. If you can't get the job done, then you fail. Paul had been in congress for how many years? What is his track record? Not to mentioned those newsletter stench that he can't even defend himself from. And this is from a supporter of Ron Paul (me).

As for Obama, he certainly isn't a socialist. His track record as a progressive liberal is poor. He is way too willingly to compromise with the republicans which is his weakness in my opinion. Also, he hasn't done much about getting corporations to take responsibilities for their financial decision and cut back the welfare that corporations are enjoying way way way too much.

As much as I am uncertain about Obama, I know Romney will destroyed everything. For a guy who ran on "creating jobs" and "fixing the economy." His record at Bain is horrid. He was good at laying off people and shutting down businesses. His governorship is horrid. MA ranked 47th out of 50 states in job creation. Also Paul Ryan is a hypocrite, for a guy who used his dad's social security to get through college, now is all for privatizing SS. Not to mentioned, Paul Ryan is more conservative than Dick Cheney, who is the worst of the worst.

I have warm up to Bush jr. in recent year, because I realize he is too nice and stupid for all the horrible things under his presidency. Instead I blame everything on Cheney.

sakura8429
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4:27 am, Sep 8 2012
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anything goes as long as i can download anime and fair music from internet

neonkitty
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4:34 am, Sep 8 2012
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I'm an undocumented student so I obviously favor Obama, but even if I was a citizen there is no way in heck I would vote for Romney. His ideas are just way too old fashioned for me and he flip flops too much; all politicians do but Romney either changes his opinion as fast as a teen girl changes her outfit or he completely dodges questions.

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Why I WOULD NOT VOTE FOR ROMNEY
1) I'm an undocumented student
2) I'm female (stay the f_ck away from my vagina)
3) I would like to be able to marry if I ever decided to turn bisexual or lesbian
4) I love animals, especially dogs

Last edited by neonkitty at 9:24 pm, Sep 8

Curium
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6:28 am, Sep 8 2012
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I probably wouldn't have posted, except I saw CloudFaerie's post about turning 18 in an election year. I turned 18 literally 2 days before election day in 2000. Sadly I've yet to see a Presidential election with a good choice. In each one (2000, 2004, and 2008) instead of voting FOR a President, I've voted AGAINST the other guy each time. I will be doing so again this year. (Will vote Romney for those who actually care, someone must if they asked the question, can't imagine who though)

BTW, I saw one comment that they will vote for Obama because other countries don't like Romney. As far as I'm concerned that is one of the worst possible deciding factors I've ever heard. You have to vote for what is best for your own country, not everyone elses. The same goes for elections in other countries. Sadly too many people are infatuated by globalization these days.

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As much as I am uncertain about Obama, I know Romney will destroyed everything. For a guy who ran on "creating jobs" and "fixing the economy." His record at Bain is horrid. He was good at laying off people and shutting down businesses. His governorship is horrid. MA ranked 47th out of 50 states in job creation.


Two things about this. You mention that Romney's record at Bain is horrid. Only 7 out of 40 companies that Bain worked on during Romeny's time there failed. That is only a 17-18% failure rate, or an 82-83% success rate.

About the Massachusetts Job creation, that number is highly misleading to the point of being false (not intentionally so from most people, but still false none the less). Romney's Job Growth rate in MA during his Governorship was higher then both the Governor that came before him and the Governor that came after him, and in fact the Job Creation rate for just the last half of his time there got MA up into the 30s.

Only quoted a part of your post because I don't have anything against the rest of it.

Last edited by lambchopsil at 8:21 am, Sep 8

nert5
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You know people bring up only two of the candidates but what about the libertarian candidates. I know he probably won't win but I like where Gary Johnson is coming from. That is who I will be voting for. It will be the first time that I am voting for something other then republican. Obama's and Ryan's support for the NDAA prevents me from voting for either candidate though I wouldn't have voted for Obama even if he didn't support it. I say give libertarian a try. It couldn't be any worse then it has been if we do.

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Post #569220 - Reply to (#569184) by VenusInFurs
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While I disagree with most of the first half of the post quoted below, I'm going to focus on this particular point (link heavy rant ahead):
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His executive order that prohibited the deportation of children who were brought to this country illegally by their parents at a young age, is an incredible decision that has and will continue to limit the pain and suffering of undocumented Americans across the country.

If you're concerned with minimizing "...the pain and suffering of undocumented Americans," you should know that Obama has a terrible record on immigration. He's deported a record number of immigrants despite the fact that unauthorized immigration is at a 40-year low. This policy has deported thousands of parents of American citizens, breaking families apart and putting children in foster care.

In general, Obama has been terrible with regards to civil liberties, and blatantly broken several of his campaign promises in the process:

Obama has overseen increased federal raids on medical marijuana dispensaries authorized by state laws, to the point that his fellow Democrats are criticizing him.

Although Obama pledged to increase government transparency, he's brought twice as many cases against whistle-blowers under the Espionage Act as every other administration before his combined.

His administration is attempting to establish a presidential right to execute U.S. citizens by fiat with his drone policy (emphasis added):
Quote from Eric Holder
Some have argued that the president is required to get permission from a federal court before taking action against a United States citizen who is a senior operational leader of al-Qaida or associated forces. This is simply not accurate. 'Due process' and 'judicial process' are not one and the same, particularly when it comes to national security. The constitution guarantees due process, not judicial process.

Now, to stay on topic - I'm not going to vote in this election, as I don't believe Romney would be much better on any of these issues. Still, I can't stand to see Obama receive any credit whatsoever for his executive order regarding immigration; that order was a purely political maneuver done in an election year, and not at all indicative of his overall record.

friedo.obrain
Post #569224 - Reply to (#569186) by Badkarma
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Quote from Badkarma
I'm middle-class, and bring home around $1200 - $1600 a week, after tax. Looking at this week's check before tax, I earned $2015.20. With tax, that's $1318.16.

I'll have anyone who's even remotely political intemperate that the way they want.

Dehehehehehheh....


Sigh. It's at these times i realize the disparity between Portugal and the rest of the western world... Most people here consider middle class to be when you can get more than 1000 a month....

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Post #569236 - Reply to (#569188) by movingstone
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Quote from movingstone
He was good at laying off people and shutting down businesses. His governorship is horrid. MA ranked 47th out of 50 states in job creation. Also Paul Ryan is a hypocrite, for a guy who used his dad's social security to get through college.


Actually, that that was when he took office. Now, MA is ranked 10th in the country. And people cant help what their parents income may be. My dad is only 45 but is on SS due to a work obtained disability.

It looks like every opinion on is biased as hell. How many people actually get their information from both conservative and liberal news channels/sites? Depending on where you get it, information is always gonna be manipulated to hurt one candidate and help the other.

Personally, I support Romney. Obama had his chance and I can say that for me and my town, we are actually worse off than we were four years ago. I live in a coal community where over HALF of the town's working age men are unemployed now due to Obama's energy policy and the EPA. When miners usually make 1k a week, then get laid off or are unable to find new work, you can imagine how much that hurts the rest of our community. Everything is a domino effect. If anyone has seen the FX series Justified, thats what this place is turning into. Drugs and people doing what they have to to get by. And comically enough, I live in the county in which the series was based, Harlan County. Guess it'll start living up to the series soon (without the biased redneck propaganda)

Not to mention the national debt has doubled over the past four years. There goes the value of our dollar >.>


MangomyTango
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I don't know, but indeed...Obama did get his chance in bringing change...
I'm not too into politics, but it seems like he was always blocked by the Republicans and thus he was not able to get anything done. (You can totally tell from his four years in office, that he's been trying to bring change, but oops! there's always some type of problem in whatever reform Obama tries to propose...)

The president doesn't have a lot of power in this type of government overall. It's sort of broken as well...
But we'll see, hopefully whoever the new president may be...hope he brings change to the table!

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Post #569239 - Reply to (#569236) by Mai-Lynn
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Quote from Mai-Lynn
Actually, that that was when he took office. Now, MA is ranked 10th in the country. And people cant help what their parents income may be. My dad is only 45 but is on SS due to a work obtained disability.

It looks like every opinion on is biased as hell. How many people actually get their informa ...


I am questioning your intelligent. Up course, we are talking about MA when he was in office. If the GOP are blasting Obama about job creation during his term even with the effect of the recession that Bush created, then it is fair game. Second, when did I talk about his parent's income. I am talking about the hypocrisy of people like Romney and Ryan. Romney's family at one point came to the usa as an immigrant and take the government help. Ryan going through college with SS money. And when they are successful, they take the plank from under them so other people cannot have the same chance that they have.

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You totally misunderstanding the point. If Romney want to prove to us that he have exp in job creating. Bain Capital was never a good evidence of that. Bain Capital was not in the business of creating job. Like most business, Bain Capital is about making profit (nothing wrong with that). But the way they are making profit cannot be apply to running the USA.

Revisiting the 47th or 28th?

The economy is not something so simple like people making it. One president do not have that great of a power to influence the economy greatly. The Gop method had always been hand off and let it recovered. That is exactly what President Hoover did about the Great Depression. Did that helpconfused at all?? Many people said FDR didn't really do much better, since WWII is what save the country from the Great Depression. But FDR did raised the pride and the human spirit of the American people.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/romneys-jobs-record-is-best- or-worst/
This article I feel went more detail about MA as 47th or 28th in a non bias way. This article addressed this issue better than I do.

Overall, if you are going the route, that Romney improved MA. Also not to mention in mid 2007, the great housing bubble collapse under the Republican. I just feel all the other states falling behind MA more so than MA getting ahead of other states (and it is still in the lower 50). What Romney inherited from his predecessors is not comparable to what Obama inherited from Bush. If Romney take about 4 years to recover MA then I say Obama need 8. Beside the fundamental GOP's strategy had not change since the time of Bush, what make anyone think it would work again. Also, if Bush have 8 years to drive this country to the ground. Let the Democrats have 8 years to try and fix it.

That3rdGuy
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4:46 pm, Sep 8 2012
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Pretty much every time Obama tried to pass legislation, the Republicans would stonewall him just because he's a Democrat. Then they say he hasn't done anything (because they wont let him), but that's also incorrect. Watch the Daily Show with Jon Stewart and you'd see just how often the Republicans contradict themselves. Here's a perfect example if you got time (4 mins long funny video of Romney contradicting himself a few times):
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-30-2012/rnc-2012 ---the-road-to-jeb-bush-2016---mitt-romney--a-human-who-built-that

Yes, Dems contradict themselves as well, but not nearly as much. Romney will say whatever it takes to get the votes, even if it means doing a 180 on his opinion. The RNC (Republican National Convention) was a meaningless joke where they basically said, "If we get elected, we will do good, not bad." They never even said what they planned on doing to "fix" America except for broad, blurry ideas like I wrote in the sentence before this. They take what Obama says and twists his words. A great example would be when he said, "...you didn't built that." He was speaking about how business owners didn't build roads, bridges, etc. Republicans made it seem like he was speaking to business owners and saying that they didn't build their own business. Then the string of lies made by Paul Ryan during his speech at the RNC was so outrageous, even Fox News Channel (a huge conservative-based, biased news channel) said he was going for the world record of blatant lies. He even copies much of Obama's budget and calls it his own, but he'll never point out the similarities. The Republican candidates are a joke and they seemingly get worse every election.

In the end, the only people who win if Romney get's elected are the rich. People against government-paid health care obviously forgot a part of JFK's speech "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." This country is becoming more and more split because of Republicans being so stubborn. Another great site to do fact-checking is PolitiFact. That site shows statements said by both sides, their accuracy and story, and just how many of Obama's promises have been kept, broken, compromised, etc. People should really do research before just voting along party lines. Just because you're against abortion and like guns doesn't mean vote Republican. Learn what the candidate truly stands for and his policies. Check the facts for yourself instead of relying on news channels, which are almost always biased with their reports.

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Quote from movingstone
I am questioning your intelligent. Up course, we are talking about MA when he was in office. If the GOP are blasting Obama about job creation during his term even with the effect of the recession that Bush created, then it is fair game. Second, when did I talk about his parent's income.


Don't you mean 'intelligence"? Incorrect grammar is a great way of showing yours. And you said he put himself through college using his father's SS. SS is a source of income for some people, like it or not. And it is no way perfect. If you draw SS, if your spouse makes a certain amount, it can become taxable. Paying tax for something that was created by a tax. I see nothing wrong with reform and offering alternatives.

Everyone entitled to their own opinion, however.

movingstone
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Quote from Mai-Lynn
Don't you mean 'intelligence"? Incorrect grammar is a great way of showing yours. And you said he put himself through college using his father's SS. SS is a source of income for some people, like it or not. And it is no way perfect. If you draw SS, if your spouse makes a certain amount, it can ...


Not really, English is not my first language. Measure my intelligent based on English grammar is like measuring yours in the politic of Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan (in courtesy of Herman Cain). >___< I do not have any problem with mr. Ryan using SS to put himself through college. I do not have any problem with Donald Trump businesses declaring bankruptcy. I do not have any problem with Bain Capital making profits by putting people out of work. I do not have problem with Romney Cayman Island. I do not have any problem with corporations know how to play the system and purchase the politicians. I do not have any problem with anti gay republicans having sex in gay escorts. Or Sarah Palin's teenage daughter get pregnant then raise a child without the father.

People aren't idiots, they do what they have to, to get ahead. My problem is when these people open their mouth and tell me what the role of the government is. My problem is when these people trying to be righteousness while they are hypocrite as hell. Obama too is corporatist but not as much as Romney. The fact that he lets the Bush tax cut extended to be this long is not promoting his own base progressive agenda (or the so call socialist agenda).

Edit: I hate the phrase everyone is entitled to their opinion. Some opinions are more credible than other. Some opinions are more influential than others. Some opinions can caused someone else's right to be taken way. I hate how people say that to want to put end in conversation at a draw.

007demosthenes
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I'd vote for Romney. I actually like Paul Ryan better than him, so I have to vote for Romney by extension. Or I'd vote for anyone who had a good plan for fixing the U.S.'s giiiiaaaaannnnnntttt debt.

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Quote from movingstone
I hate the phrase everyone is entitled to their opinion. Some opinions are more credible than other. Some opinions are more influential than others. Some opinions can caused someone else's right to be taken way.

So...pretty much what Hitler believed?

Godwin's Law, everyone cool

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