Despite my avatar, I'm going to have to disagree with you. Lelouch's explanation was "that doesn't matter any more" (if you watch the episode again, he pretty much dismisses any explanation in favor of talking about Nunnally- understandable, but it shows how much he cares about Suzaku in comparison). He didn't even try to explain, and Lelouch was the one that actually tried to kill- Suzaku just shot to disarm and capture.

Although I've said it many times before, Suzaku is genuinely a good person, his priorities just tend to get a bit screwed up since he's so preoccupied with his atonement, just as Lelouch is too preoccupied with Nunnally to worry about the morality of the things he's doing.


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But Lelouch STILL used Euphie's death as a political tool, from Suzaku's point of view it seemed as if Lelouch geassed her on purpose. After all, Suzaku wouldn't have seen Lelouch crying under the mask and why would Suzaku confront Lelouch properly? Even if wrong, he made a really logical assumption that:
1. Since Lelouch was Zero he would have no trouble using people as political pawns to further his own gains w/o him really caring about them.
2. I do not recall, but I don't think Suzaku knows that Lelouch is related to Euphie, so I don't think Suzaku knew the connection between them, which means that he'd think Lelouch wouldn't hesitate and use her to further his own ends.

So why would Suzaku think he'd need to confront Lelouch properly?

Besides Lelouch isn't the most noble person either. I'd say Suzaku is far more noble than Lelouch would ever be. I personally don't like Suzaku because he is so "noble" and it annoys me that he's so idealistic. I think in the second season Suzaku becomes way more down to earth and betraying Lelouch served to show that Suzaku is now willing to do more to make his dream come true, since he realized his idealism was out of touch with reality. In a sense Suzaku becomes like Lelouch.

To close off my rambling, I don't blame Suzaku at all for selling out Lelouch considering the circumstances. At this point I believe Suzaku thinks Lelouch is a power hungry tyrant who is using the excuse of revolution to gain more power for himself.

To Crenshibon

Suzaku shot first when he split Zero's mask. I know he didn't shoot to kill but he was still the first one to point and use his gun. If I had a gun pointed at me and my sister was kidnapped I don't think I would really be in any mental state to concentrate on anything but getting to her as fast as possible. Plus he didn't realise Suzaku knew about Geass so from lelouch's stand point explaning to Suzaku properly what happened would involve a lengthy explanation about Geass as well. He probably wasn't aware of how deep Suzaku's and Euphie's feelings for each other were either, so he couldn't have known his dismissal of her death was so hurtful to Suzaku.

To Funkmu1

Suzaku was aware of Lelouch being a prince so it stands to reason he knew they were siblings. Since they used to be close it also stands to reason Suzaku knew how close Lelouch and Euphie were (Lelouch stated once that after Nunally Euphie was the sister he cared most about and in a flashback all 3 were shown to be playing together in Britannia) so Suzaku should have realised that Lelouch would not have purposefully geassed Euphie for his own means.

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I understand why Suzaku turned like that but in season one he was too idealistoc to be interesting and in season 2, even if he is more like Lelouch, I just can't forgive him for selling out his friend. Lelouch can pull off his immorality and chessboard manipulations. I think because Suzaku was so goody goody in season 1 it just seems wrong for him. Though when they were chasing after the cat in season 1 Lelouch did remark that Suzaku used to be way more selfish so maybe Suzaku's just reverted to his former personality.

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well...she is a good character~but you could probably find such character in other series like gundam. but take lelouch! I bet that the only other character that has gone anywhere near him was Yagami Light from Death Note.

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I agree. Lelouch and Light are my two favourite characters because they are just so unique and complex and intelligent. I love that they both gain a new power and decide to basically try and take over the world instead of use it for good. Morally grey always entertains me.

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Although I can understand why it's made so often, I sort of hate the Lelouch-Light comparison. Light is actually sociopathic (seriously, look up the profile of a sociopath if you don't beleive me), and his insanity continually gets worse, while Lelouch has values and is capable of human emotion and relationships. That said, the intelligence level and roles are about the same, but I think the actually personality is different enough that a distinction has to be made.

Anyway, first off, Lelouch is explicitly told that Suzaku knows about the geass from the very beginning of the conversation (Suzaku' first line after "turn around" is "It's a convenient power, that Geass," I had to rewatch it to double check). While I've give you the state of mind, he also definitely knows how important Euphie is to Suzaku. My point wasn't that he was attempting to hurt Suzaku or anything- it was the blatant disregard in favor of Nunnally, which just shows that his priorities are far more important than their friendship.

I can understand why the personality change would annoy you, but I honestly think that's what makes Suzaku such a great character. He actually changes and grows significantly while attempting to pursue his own morality. It seems much more human and realistic than most of the other characters, but that very realism can be incredibly annoying at times. Regardless, I'm digressing a bit too much here, this isn't the point of the thread.

Anyone else liking Nunnally since she started to actually have thoughts other than "Onii-sama !"? It's nice that she's more than just a paralyzed blind girl now.



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It is the intelligence that people link Light with Lelouch as well as their ultimate goals.The main difference is that Lelouch has enough hiccups in the road and resistance to keep himself grounded and meticulous. Light became over-arogant and developed a god complex which made him careless and led to his downfall. But Light at the beginning and Lelouch are very simiar. Light wasn't always a sociopath, at the beginning he was popular with the girls and even at the end he had his team and Misa, even if he was using them. It's no different to Lelouch using his friends as a cover for his identity and niether of them are above racking up a high death count if it helps them create their aims. Light was more willing to sully his own hands though while Lelouch leaves the majority of the killing to others. Most highly intelligent people aren't highlyu sociable though simly because their intelligence segregates them, they find it hard to relate to and communicate with average people and spend most of their time bored since very few things mentally excite them so you can't expect Lelouch or Light to be the life and soul of the party, though Lelouch is more sociable I'll grant.

I forgot about that, so Lelouch knew Suzaku knew. Ok, I accept that. Still I can't blame him for being a bit more concerned about Nunally that Suzaku's feelings given the circumstances. I'd put my little brother over my friend's feelings as well, espeically if was blind, paralysed, the only real family I had left and had just been kidnapped by who knows what. I just don't think it warrented such an extreme reaction from Suzaku.

I like that Suzaku has changed, I prefer him now to his wholesome noble idealistic self last season. If it wasn't Lelouch he had sold out I probably would be rooting for him, but I feel bad for Lelouch.

I do want to see more of Schneizel though, he seems a very interesting character.

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Lelouche could easily end Suzaku had he spread the word about Suzaku's plans to take over. the britanians already hated him, now they got a reason to kill him.

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Lelouch or Zero? No one would listen to Lelouch cuz he's just a silly school boy whereas Suzaku is a Knight that serves the Emperor himself, and the Britannians distrust Zero way more than Suzaku. So it's unlikely that Lelouch could achieve this without a lot of scheming.

The only way Lelouch could end Suzaku would involve revealing his returned memories so no, that doesn't work.

The Emperor likes Suzaku too, so it's definitely not as simple as you're suggesting.

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Besides, I don't think that Suzaku keeps it a secret that he wants to change Britannia from the inside.

What I'm really curious about is how Suzaku developed his extraordinary physical abilities. He's had these skills since he was a kid so I'm guessing we do know that he already developed them at a young age. Now is this just silly anime inconsistency or would there be a reason to his uncanny physical abilities (whether genetic changes or 'roids or something)

i said "had", besides zero woudlnt personally do it, he can easily leak info the media and let them spread it, its not dat hard since suzaku is famous, britanians turn on each other many times before throughout the series, i doubt suzaku would be a special case..as for the king knowing the truth, if he did and dindt do anything, dat just means he doesnt feel suzaku's a threat and thinks of him as a tool. if the info is leaked, the king owuldnt mind, but im pretty sure da rest of the knights or the purists won't feel da same.

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Lelouch for the same reasons the people before me do. My second favorite character would have been Suzaku but I'm not exactly sure how I feel about him anymore. I definitely don't hate Suaku though.