Finally the fight, i hope, just kill off sasuke and the manga will improve a billion times (if naruto doesn't go sad and depressed for a thousand arcs after)...

Then again who knows...

Either way don't kill the little hope us readers have please mashashi kishimoto. You go from Naruto (title of manga) to Sasuke (yes, I feel it being the title of the manga), finally Naruto...hmmm

QFT. I agree with everything you said regarding Naruto and Sasuke (and also Sakura). I'm not going to lie, I've been hoping for Sasuke's death for the longest time, but I know that Naruto killing Sasuke would go against his character. He can't. He doesn't just want to be like any other Hokage, he wants to be the greatest. How can become the greatest if does what any other Hokage would do? Saving people from the brink of evil, when they seem unsavable, is his M.O. I still hope Sasuke dies in the series, but I would be disappointed if it was by Naruto's hands.

On a side note, I like how the Karin hate has, for the most part, stopped now that she has shown to be one of the more reasonable characters.

I like this post, and I mostly agree with it ... but, I also think it highlights one of the reasons people debate so much about this manga. You're right, none of us can imagine Naruto or Sakura just straight-up killing their one-time best friend -- but you could argue that we actually should be able to imagine it pretty easily.

Let me try and explain what I mean more clearly: I think the author deliberately put himself into a difficult spot by making "good guy ninjas." When you think about it, Naruto, Sakura, Hinata, Chouji, and all the other beloved, teen-angsty, Narutoverse characters are professional killers. They entered professional killer school as adorable little five-year olds. As nice and fatherly as Iruka-sensei acts, his job in the manga is taking little tiny kids and training them up to be professional soldiers and assassins.

When they are eleven or twelve the main characters all graduate and go out to work full time on the "missions" that are the foundation of Konoha's economy. And let's face it, most of the missions presumably don't involve weeding gardens and helping nice old guys build bridges. They seem to be more: hunting someone down to assassinate them; guarding someone from assassins; stealing things; spying; precision military strikes; etc.

We have to assume that off-screen, every one of the main characters spends a typical week stabbing and beheading rival ninjas before knocking off work at five to spend their hard earned stabbing-and-beheading money on some delicious ramen. Even useless-ass Sakura has presumably racked up a decent body count offscreen during the time-skip. In this version, Saskue isn't an oddity because he's a psycho killer. He's an oddity because he turned against his village.

Putting it another way: if you're the author, you kind of have to thread your way between choices:

1) You can make a ninja-verse where fights end with the loser captured or beaten up, but rarely or never killed (like half the shounen mangas out there). Then the story doesn't have much tension and the stakes seem pretty low, but the good guys are clearly the good guys.

or

2) You can make your ninjas be ninjas, so everyone's a stone killer (Legend of Kamui style). But then you are writing a more adult style manga where every character is ambiguous and morally compromised and the whole thing is murky shades of grey.

I love this manga and I like the way the author threads his way between both versions, making the ninja world fairly dark while letting Naruto and co. clearly be the heros. That said, sometimes the seams show - like Naruto lucking out and never having to kill anyone on a mission, or all of our heros being fortunate enough to survive their jobs for years at a time.

I guess I'm saying that the author set himself a challenge. I like how he's dealing with it, even though I can see what he's trying to do.

Hmm...I think I want to get in on the "Who will kill Sasuke?" speculation. Let me first say that I read A LOT and I hold a special place in my heart for hokey, mushy, quasi tragic endings. I envision Sasuke's end coming at his own hand as he saves Team 7. Oh yes, I can see it in my crystal ball: Sasuke receives a reality check about himself and his vaulted Uchiha clan via Itachi's "gift" to Naruto. He will mull over this after Madara comes and breaks up the little party that is going on now. Now this "mulling" period can last as long as Kishimoto needs it to. Madara seems like the true, mad, nut job of this story and Sasuke will eventually see that he is but a pawn on the proverbial chess board. When he realizes his blunder he will sacrifice himself as he removes Madara and the taint of the Uchiha clan from the Land of Fire. And the big kicker...Itachi shows up to usher his little brother into the after life. Isn't that just...icky?

I still don't see Sakura with Naruto even though she stood up for him--she has been doing that for awhile now so it did not seem out of the ordinary. I just do not want to think that Kishi would crush my poor little Naruto/Hinato loving heart. A Naruto/Sakura pairing would be tantamount to the travesty that Rowling pulled with the Hermione/Ron hook up--eww dammit, it gave me chills. Anyway; Sakura seems to like a certain amount of dominance, arrogance and aloofness to her man--maybe Neji would be a better fit for her. When you take into account Neji's freaky eyes and noble birth how could Sakura possibly resist?

Oh well, I can only dream. I do like the current turn of events--it feels natural instead of forced like the whole Killer Bee/Kisame dust up. Can't wait for next week.

After chapter 485 i say naruto is going to use the same sealing techniques the third and foruth hokage used. Both him and sasuke will be gone.


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Anyone else thinks the fog is going to clear and Naruto pants are going to be down?



Naruto is going to use the crow... what is going to happen? who knows... maybe a body change... with would suck

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LMAO!!! Yea, he definitely is excited to see Sasuke

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homoboner no jutsu? Kishimoto, do your worst! XD


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I agree that naruto will never kill sasugay but I'm hoping he gets killed anyway. I see as naruto save naruto from madara at the last minute sacrificing himself in the process.

Sasuke just needs a serious ass whooping to take him of this superman pedestal that he’s been sitting on for the last few fights he’s had since itachi. The eight tails fight didn’t end with a victor so I’m counting that as a draw. Maybe if he lost an arm or eye or something after fighting at the kages meeting or against danzo I would have been happy, but atm I’m really bored of him making every one else look extremely weak. I really hope that the border-line pansy naruto does do some serious damage to him in the next fight cause we now he’s not going to kill him as that would mess up the story line.

1st... even if karin said screw u... that doesnt change the fact that she may save him if she got the chance... U all know how kishi do twists that have no reason but work anyway.

2nd... next chapter will be totaly useless naruto explaining wuts in his mind after a lil fight with max on punch or skill ^^.

3rd... Toby's having fun with his body... if someone do help sasuke it will be either of the other two that were with him.

4th... nothing i say may happend cuz kishi's a bitch and think backwards.