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How's Gutts and Caska going to end?

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Deva
Post #127659 - Reply to (#127655) by xombiemonkey
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thats not what I'm saying! All the other kids should die, but Schierke is the only competent one. She's also extremely cute. If anyone should stay alive, its her.


The only reason for her existence is to please the lolicon fans. Well maybe she'll get raped or something for them, or her jealousy of Caska is growing so much that she kills her and then Gutts kills the annoying bi... ahh witch.

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thats not what I'm saying! All the other kids should die, but Schierke is the only competent one. She's also extremely cute. If anyone should stay alive, its her.


The only reason for her existence is to please the lolicon fans. Well maybe she'll get raped or something for them, or her jealousy of Caska is growing so much that she kills her and then Gutts kills the annoying bi... ahh witch.

but she can still kick ass sometimes. She's the only one in the group that can do that besides Gutts.

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but she can still kick ass sometimes. She's the only one in the group that can do that besides Gutts.


At least Caska serves a purpose (or several) and gives Gutts another reason to live on besides his desire for revenge. And yeah the witch can be pretty bad ass but everytime she uses her "I am the wind, I am the earth..." -crap, I'm waiting for Captain Planet to emerge.

Ah great ending would be if Gutts gives himself up to the "Berserk" so that he can kill Griffith and in the batlle kills all his friends too, realizing what he did he goes mad and kills himself.

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Getting back on topic and because I'm too lazy to read the entire off topic conversation...

I personally think Caska will get her memory back, yet still leave Gutts anyway, cuz' she remembers all the times he tried to well... ya know. =D

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kill himself?? Gattsu?? not likely, if he would take that road, he would have done so from the beginning.

@Deva
seems like your on the "i hate the world and everyone including myself" trip.... thats great... yeah.... but i guess your a little off projecting that on the manga, since miura obviously doesn't see it like that, otherwise he wouldn't go to such lenghts for the whole story/cast. Berserk is deep, really deep, the decision how deep you go is up to the reader. You just seem to hang around for the hate/bloodshed/gore, your way of simplifing things will break berserk IMHO and will make it another run of the mill manga. things like M.D.Geist or other is probably more to your liking.

someone mentioned fanservice? i can't see any. Its like saying some H-Manga has fanservice.

as for the topic, since miura is a fan of grand fantasy my guess is that something good will happen to caska and gattsu only to have a more tragic event take place. by the pace the story unfolds i could well be a 20 volume difference between the two event. I read somewhere in an interview with miura that he stated "this is just the beginning, now the story can really start" and that was at a time around volume 30 i think. i sure hope he won't lose track of everything over the years.

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I think Caska will regain her memories, but she is not going to be happy about that, I mean, there was a reason why she lost them in the first place

Reality was just too much for her psyche, and she just entered in an state of pure denial. So when she awakens she will still be pretty screwed in the head.

Caska will blame for everything that happened to Gutts, and she will join Griffit, because that is the easiest position right now. She will become a demon herself, and that fact will make Gutts loose the little sanity he had left, and he will transform in a complete berserker.

His group will loose him between all the demon carnage, and Gutts will be alone once again in his demon hunting.

Some years later, an adult and really powerful Scierke will find Gutts, she will be able to awaken his human self, and together will kill all GodHand. Scierke is probably the one that will kill demon Caska, because a human Gutts wouldn't be able to do it.

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I haven't read any interviews with Miura and really don't know what he is planing to do. But I' didn't speculate what would happen in the next 20 volumes but at the very end, and Gutts killing himself seems a lot more likely than a happy end. Especially if he really would kill all his friend while going berserk. Basically he has two big goals, healing Caska and killing Griffith, so after acomplishing this goals, and my assumption that he would kill everybody to do so, he hasn't any purpose left, all his beloved ones are dead...realizing all the blood he shed, the pain he caused and received for the sole purpose of his revenge... yeah it's unbelievable unlikely that he would kill himself...

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I thought a lot about it and I'm still not sure if I would prefer a good or a bad ending...
But there's one thing I'm sure about ending : Gutts commiting suicide would be the crappiest ending ever . And I don't give a f... about the reason.
It's like Ghandi beating the crap out of someone ,Washington getting greedy or Abraham betraying God . There are thing that just can't be .
Gutts is the very survivor . He was born from a dead . He has been sacrificed . He has been raped .He severed his own arm to fight and after that he carried on fighting with only one arm and one eye . He's the living embodiment of fighting spirit .He can win or lose , live or die , be happy or not whatever. But he can't give up .Even if the fight seems over . He'll always have to fight .

I swear it : if the mangaka does that I burn all my tankobon and I'll tell to everyone that asks me that this manga is worth shit whatever I might have said before.

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thats not what I'm saying! All the other kids should die, but Schierke is the only competent one. She's also extremely cute. If anyone should stay alive, its her.


The only reason for her existence is to please the lolicon fans. Well maybe she'll get raped or something for them, or her jealousy of Caska is growing so much that she kills her and then Gutts kills the annoying bi... ahh witch.

but she can still kick ass sometimes. She's the only one in the group that can do that besides Gutts.

idk caska did go nuts on those bandits who jumped her right after she left with guts. if push came to shove i could see her subconsciously kicking ass with a sword

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i dont think there will be griffth vs gatss fight. that witch for fanservice? ahaha
caska will join griffth?

caska: here i come
griff: long time no see

no way!!!

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Post #131815 - Reply to (#127684) by Mardulf
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What if Caska is sacrified again, but by gutts this time when his own behelit awakes ?

Actually, that can't happen. Waaaaaayyy back (Volume 3) when the Count summoned the 5 God Hands and wanted to use Guts as a sacrifice, they told him that it was not possible because Guts had already been sacrificed and that he couldn't use a person that had already been offered as a sacrifice. Thus Casca is not fit to become a sacrifice since she is already and effectively a sacrifice not yet sacrificed.

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I read somewhere in an interview with miura that he stated "this is just the beginning, now the story can really start" and that was at a time around volume 30 i think. i sure hope he won't lose track of everything over the years.

Oh my holy god! Are you serious?! eek eek eek Volume 30 JUST the beginning? He has been creating the manga for 18 years now! When will it finish?! Especially considering the rate of the released chapters, it will take ages! Let's hope that Berserk won't be the second "Unfinished Tales"!

Anyway, as for what it will happen to Guts and Casca? That's of course a tough question. I don't really think that Casca will die. She is one hell of a lucky bitch! I mean, just consider the fact that she survived completely alone around a group of witch-burners who wanted to burn her! Except for this, if I recall well, when the Skull Knight saved both her and Guts from the Eclipse (Volume 13), he said to Rickert: "It seems they were not meant to die here", which might imply that those two might play a greater role at the story later. (Guts is already playing his role trying to hinder the God Hands' plans) You could, however, say as a counter-argument that Casca is already playing a role. (Let's just say that her role could possibly be that she is the factor that Guts has not succumbed completely to his Berserk side. Of course this might change later, but for the time being we can only speculate) As for Guts, I bet that he will not give up and commit suicide considering all things that happened so far. The fact that he will slay Griffith is beyound a shadow of a doubt. Nothing has managed to stop him so far and I will consider it cheating if after so many chapters, so much pain, so much unfairness, so much hate and anger, his wish does not become true. I also doubt that Guts can use the Behelit against a God Hand, but nothing has been said to disprove that claim yet.

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I think it's hard to say at this point what's to become of Caska and Gutts/Gatts. It is clear that she is, at present, the one driving factor that is keeping him sane and on the "right" path. However, like Serpico stated about himself Farnese, Gatts has changed them, even if it is ever so slightly. I feel that, in turn, they have also changed Gatts as well, to the way he was when he knew what companionship was. That will be a big factor in the future keeping him sane.

Gatts stated (can't remember exact chapter) that when something is lost you may not be able to get it back in piece, I think he's learned from his mistakes and he'll realize that the people with him now are important to him, even if he would never admit it. Like the Skull Knight said, he can only choose one, path of protection, or the path of destruction, when push comes to shove Gatts will find what's truly important to him.


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just a rumor i heard from a friend but everything else he told me about the manga has come to pass before it was scanlated.
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supposedly when Caska and Gatts reach elf heim the king of the elves restores Caska's memories but as the skull knight warned that isn't what she wanted and ends up committing suicide. also was reading posts on evil genius and supposedly this author likes his tragedies.
no

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just a rumor i heard from a friend but everything else he told me about the manga has come to pass before it was scanlated.
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supposedly when Caska and Gatts reach elf heim the king of the elves restores Caska's memories but as the skull knight warned that isn't what she wanted and ends up committing suicide. also was reading posts on evil genius and supposedly this author likes his tragedies.
:no:

that would be just ... ARGH

I'm hoping for a good ending but I don't see it happen tho :P
I'm a sucker for good endings >_> and they never deliver...

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But I dont see Caska ever going to go to griffth, even if she gets back her memory. She took peace knowing she'll never get him.


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5:45 am, Jun 8 2008
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yeh as this manga is classified as a tragedy, and it looks that way, as how the story is progressing... bare urself for some major tragedies coming ahead..

personally im the type that likes a good ending.. but this manga is just too good of a read to pass by..

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