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Hellsayer
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There is nothing wrong with being a pedophile. laugh

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flowinmyboat
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I guess in theory, it's okay as long as he's not touching her inappropriately.

You know what they say, "It's okay as long as it's not my kid..."

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Well they could always move to Mexico the age of consent is 12 there.

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girl is too young to understand what the implications are in this relationship. As for the guy, waiting 4 years to have any physical interaction...sorry man, but he's 24 and will be screwing around before her first time.


No bueno!


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From the pictures, everything seems so platonic. There is no kissing, or anything that screams "SEX!"
It is a little weird, and for the life of me I cannot see why an adult would be interested in a 12 year old, but to each their own.
When I was 12-13, I heard some of the girls talking about their sex lives, and even though they might not have been dating 24 year olds, they were still 12 year olds having sex, so the whole "he's manipulating her" bit can be taken differently by different people.

I am not condoning or condemning their relationship, everyone does what is right by them, and if the people involved, and the people around them trust them to do what they feel is right, who are we to judge them?

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It is just wrong.

Seriously, how can you not think "pedophile"? This girl is still in middle school, she is learning basic algebra and about voting and jury duty procedures. He'll be lucky if she is even able to reproduce or if she already knows how that process works. This girl is completely dependent on her parents, not in an "I want to stay in parents' basement because I'm lazy" but in an "I am a baby and am literally incapable of doing anything for myself" way. I don't understand these age gaps. I mean if someone is like 24 and the other person is 48, they are adults, they can make decisions for themselves and around those ages they know what they want out of life. What is wrong is that this girl is still developing she is not even mature enough to drink, her mind won't stop making chemical changes common in children and teens until it reaches the age of 21. Yes, I know everyone is mainly concerned about whether or not they are having sex, but this is also an impressionable child. Even more so because she is a child model. I just don't see where you get off trying to be with a kid who doesn't know half of anything about the world. It makes me sick when I see this stuff.

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*reads

?

*re-reads

!?

*reads
Quote from FormX
So, I'm just kind of interested to see MU's reaction; I'm kind of tired of the typical Western reaction.


...?

*reads comments

? ? ? ? ?

*reads "Kodomo no Jikan"

...

*reads "Because Everyone Does It" @ Fakku

Ah.

Good luck with that, FormX.



Anyway, here, have a troll:
I hope her 6th grade classmates don't bully her for having such an unfair advantage in health class. However, my fears will be put to rest when she scores low for unconsciously shouting "cunny" when asked about certain parts of the female anatomy.

Here, have another troll:
See, the appeal of a young man dating a toothless granny is that she's toothless - for good. Boy, is this guy gonna be in for a rude awakening when her adult teeth grow in.

Trolololololol:
"Hey, I'm gonna go get some McDonald's. What do you want? Another happy meal?"

"OK, so that's one child and one adult ticket?"

"Come on, baby! Let's say you 'n me hit the town! I'll take you to any Chucky Cheese you wanna go! Or maybe you wanna go to your old stomping grounds??"


Aaand a couple old jokes for good measure:
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A man comes home from work to find his fiancée very upset...

"What's wrong honey?" he asks.

"My friends told me today that you're a pedophile!" she says.

So he told her: "A pedophile? That's an awfully big word for a 12 year old!"

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Q: What did the twenty-four year old say to his twelve year old girlfriend?
A: "Got any younger sisters?"

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If there's buds on the chest, there's eggs in the nest!



Random:
Quote from NHK ni Yokuso! 4-koma #8
Yamazaki: We've done it, Satou-san! This makes the 10th anniversary of Shonen Ace! ~This is truly a miracle!

Satou: Wow, ten years, huh?

Ten years... That's long enough for a baby... to turn ten...

Yamazaki: RIPE FOR THE PICKING.

Satou: Someone, kill him! Die already!

Misaki's final thought: No, no ,no. They're only halfway to adults.

Still growing, Shounen Ace!

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He is in a position of trust since he is her music coach since she was 8.

YOU'RE TWO YEARS TOO LATE, YAMAZAKI!!! A REAL MAN STARTS GROOMIN' 'EM IN THE SINGLE DIGITS!!!



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Let me fix that for you.
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In China, Too Young is just a name.



But in all seriousness, is this right? Is this wrong? *shrugs* I personally couldn't do it.

I'm 26, and have a cousin around that age, complete with bratty friends too boot. If I saw a grown man or woman trying to have an actual relationship with any of them, I certainly wouldn't like it. But before me liking it or not, what the hell could someone in their mid-twenties possibly have in common with a sixth grader? Seriously, this is the question everyone subconsciously asks when faced with a situation like this, and no one likes the universal answer. Yeah, we can say high-ground grandiose bullshit like "Give the child some freedom to date at that age, let them learn about the world" all we want, and while I quite agree, I do so to a point.

Sure, let 'em date. I did; I ain't no saint, nor was I ever. In fact, I was a horny little kid who did a lot of naughty things at an age that I don't care to mention, but I did them with kids within my age group (parents, don't let your kids build tree-forts in semi-secluded places in the woods - fair warning).

I remember back in fifth grade there was a group of girls who hung out with a few high-school seniors and the memory still sticks out for me because I clearly remember the look on each of their faces. I knew what the guys wanted. The guys knew what the guys wanted. The girls knew what the girls wanted.

What I didn't understand back then, however, was the difference between the driving force behind each of their "wants". The guys wanted it because they knew what it was, the girls wanted it because they wanted to know what it is, and I think this difference is VERY important when viewing a relationship between someone who's literally an underdeveloped human and a grown adult. The child is curious; the adult is not, which leads us back to that funny question I asked earlier: What the hell could someone in their mid-twenties possibly have in common with a sixth grader?

Cause if the only answer is animal attraction, then my foot's going straight in the ass of any "adult" I see chatting up my pubescent cousin.

In the very least, this particular pair seem to have singing in common. Probably. Good luck, Zhang Muyi. Don't do anything that'll land you on the evening news. I think you're creepy, but I'm just a random prick on the internet. Have fun and wear a rubber, dude. Remember: No DNA, no way!

(Good thing this is a publicity stunt. Probably.)

Sidenote: LOL @ the guy using child pregnancy rates as some sort of defense(?) for pre-teen children dating full grown men.

Last edited by Badkarma at 7:07 am, Nov 24

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First off I don't think pedophilia means that they are having sex with children. However in this case he is actively pursuing this relationship, while not sexual is emotional and it is this active pursuit which makes it wrong. He is in a position of power and has the opportunity to escalate this should he choose to wield that power. Imagine if this story was not public, and they were not celebrities, without the burden of prosecution nor public perception what do you think would have happened.

And who is to say he will wield that power? Just because he can does not mean he will. Most adult males are physically stronger than women. We are in a position of power. Does that mean we all rape women? Of course not. Just because one can does not mean one will.
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It is a slippery slope, if you say this is ok, whats to stop other people from claiming that same thing, including those whom would rape child

Who knows? In this case he seems to be trusted by a lot of people compared to a random average Joe with an ulterior motive. But who is to say that he doesn't have an ulterior motive? Well, the parents doesn't seem to mind as they haven't objected about anything yet. If some sexual acts have been committed and/or will, then I will pretty much hate the guy no matter who he is. But otherwise the only ones that can stop them are her parents. Not us, not the law, not anybody.

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That statement is retarded because anybody that rapes children would be a pedophilia already. Anybody going around raping children would already be a pedophilia because why else would they do it if they weren't sexual attracted to them.

I was rather vague with that one. I meant rape in general.

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The key underlying fact that you cannot seem to grasp is that child CANNOT consent under the law. Making exceptions undermines the law. Just because this guy might try anything doesn't mean somebody else might not. It creates a precedent that child molesters can take advantage of.


Yes, they cannot consent to sexual acts. But they can consent to dating and other non-sexual relationships. No law is saying otherwise.

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Key word here is consent consent consent.


Age of consent is about engaging in sexual acts. It have nothing to do about dating or relationships outside a sexual one. A 12 year old can consent to dating a 24 year old but not consent to sex (unless in Mexico as someone said, if true). There are no laws making that illegal (the dating).

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One last point I want to make clear is i am probably not going to convince anybody posting this on a manga forum where forbidden love is a key staple for a whole genre of manga.
However people need to understand the difference between real life and fiction. Fiction is created to make people root for the forbidden relationships. Fact of the matter is real life forbidden relationships are rarely made out to be like the novels.

Obviously. But that doesn't mean anyone but the parents (or legal guardians) can deny people engaging in such relationships unless it does break the law or a contract or whatever. I also don't root for them. I just don't care about them as their relationship to be or not to be is none of my concern even if it does sound like it from my posts.

Just a little note here. If he was a teacher at her school then I would have a different opinion about all this for teachers (mostly) have signed contracts that forbid such relationships with students and are (mostly) licensed and therefor need to fulfill a certain standard. But as he is just a music coach that was hired privately (or was he?) he is in no way obliged to follow such things. Unless he did sign a contract that forbid such relationships. But it is up to the parents.

Oh well, maybe I'm just too open minded about all of this.
And this will be the last post from me in this thread for my head hurts when I need to try to explain things further and discuss with long posts. laugh

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You know what they say, "It's okay as long as it's not my kid..."

ROFL

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*reads "Because Everyone Does It" @ Fakku

Ah.

No thanks, hahaha.

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What the hell could someone in their mid-twenties possibly have in common with a sixth grader?


This, exactly. confused

I hope it's a publicity stunt, or if not, that the girl's parents are keeping a veerrrry close eye on everything that's going on. no

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Hmm... Reading your posts... The main problem is the girl's age and immaturity, isn't it?

Please, don't lump her with the other usual 12 year olds living across the streets. From what I've read, she's a child model isn't she? Because of that, she probably already had glimpses into the working world and how it works, despite how her parents may or may not have tried to protect her. Even if she's pretty, they would probably throw her out of the set if she didn't learn how to control her temper and get her job done.

So take that into consideration when you're making your arguments. She's not a typical 12 year old, thus using other kids her age or even yourself as a benchmark probably wouldn't work.

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Hmm... Reading your posts... The main problem is the girl's age and immaturity, isn't it?

Please, don't lump her with the other usual 12 year olds living across the streets. From what I've read, she's a child model isn't she? Because of that, she probably already had glimpses into the working world and how it works, despite how her parents may or may not have tried to protect her. Even if she's pretty, they would probably throw her out of the set if she didn't learn how to control her temper and get her job done.

So take that into consideration when you're making your arguments. She's not a typical 12 year old, thus using other kids her age or even yourself as a benchmark probably wouldn't work...


Speaking as someone who was considered very mature & responsible at age 12...there is probably some truth to that BUT it only goes so far. Even if she's two full years "more mature" than other kids her age, that's still only 14!

I thought I was mature and grown up and blah blah blah at around that age, but looking back now, um, NO I wasn't. (More mature than a lot of those around me, yes, but compared to an ADULT, nope.)

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Quote from 0oKat~0
Hmm... Reading your posts... The main problem is the girl's age and immaturity, isn't it?

Please, don't lump her with the other usual 12 year olds living across the streets. From what I've read, she's a child model isn't she? Because of that, she probably already had glimpses into the working worl ...


I don't mean to be a smart-ass, but it wouldn't be news if it wasn't for the girl's age.

If she was 15~16 years old, then I wouldn't be so "Oh...oh, okay..." about it. The fact that she's technically prepubescent is what makes me anxious. She's going though puberty just like all other 12-year-olds and her hormones are out of whack. Don't all 12-year-olds want to be married to Prince Charming ASAP? The whole "let's get married when I'm 16" thing is really immature imo, especially for a person who is in an industry like hers.

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I don't mean to be a smart-ass, but it wouldn't be news if it wasn't for the girl's age.



Lol, well that's true. No one would have blinked an eye if it was about a 20 year old woman and a 40 year old man.

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The fact that she's technically prepubescent is what makes me anxious. She's going though puberty just like all other 12-year-olds and her hormones are out of whack. Don't all 12-year-olds want to be married to Prince Charming ASAP? The whole "let's get married when I'm 16" thing doesn't really immature imo.



...They do? eek *cough* Well, I obviously missed that period when I was growing up...

I don't fault you for being anxious. I'm just pointing out to those who immediately say that this relationship is wrong, that she may be a lot mature than her peers and what we credit her with. And to give them a chance.

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@Kat (the quote button hates me ^^; )

Not all but 12-year-olds are quick to use the word "love". It's also the reason why Justin Bieber and The Jonas Brothers are so popular and have some really obsessive fans. My cousin in the sixth grade has concocted god know's how many schemes to get break up Selena Gomez and Justin Bieber, lol.

I guess it comes down to trust. I mean, I don't care cause she's not my family or someone I know personally. However, if it was my kid then I'd keep a close eye on it and hope I can trust my daughter enough to know she won't do anything stupid.

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