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About the Miss Swan thing, isn't she just acting like an idiot/troll? I'm not really seeing any racial stereotypes involved there. The comedy is that she's being an irritating bitch, not that she's acting like someone in particular. At least, I don't think so...it may be a reference that's just flying straight over my head.
Well, historically, people in blackface acts like idiots which doesn't reflect reality of anyone in particular so are you saying that is right too. How about the Shaman King example that you gave, does he even act like any person in particular?? Like I said black face promote and maintain power inequality within the USA, whereas Miss Swan isn't really.
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Where do I even start...first off I am not an idiot I know America is not a race and the way Americans are portrayed in this manga shows a lack of understanding of reality, or perhaps he was purposefully doing this
Hmm, what you meant "Americans," because there were plenty of Americans in that series. Second off, I don't call you out as an idiot, I have heard people said about being racist to Americans so I addressed people in general. I am not waiting to people make that stupid point and irritate me.
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Okay, so I was not talking about the coach, nor does the crime rate for blacks in Illinois have anything to do with my post. Secondly, just because the coach's racism is a "reflection of reality" does not mean it is not racism.
It does in my opinion. Because to me, I have a clear definition of what is racism. That isn't a crime rate, like I already state the crime rate on non violent drug is about the same between blacks/whites. That is the rate of people getting send to prison. No one would think something subtle as that is racism, but it is. And people are so damn blind to it, instead, they waste their energy on holding grudge (like that one black intellect I quote about eyeshield 21) over non issue matter. Hahaha, your second statement make me laugh. So we can't discuss reality at all in manga?? So western movies are ban from making a white dude racist to discuss racism in America??
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I was merely referring to the ridiculous assertion that Panther was, because he's black, naturally faster. Based strictly on your first definition, this is racism. Refer to chapter 60 where it says something about the super jumping power of the black people...there is no possible way to argue that does not fit definition 1 of racism
Hmm, I already address that about the accuracy of the translation. I gave the example of the afro/black gave you power in One Piece because it make no incoherent sense. But I am no color blind, nor should people are, the NFL is about 65% while the American blacks are but 12.6% in the American population. I already address that in itself isn't racist. Unless, if reality only offer minority that only option as social mobility then it very racist. Also in the heart of the matter, it doesn't fit definition 1. You know in your heart what cases meant race superiority. It isn't so shallow as an observation that a particular race is good as something because both nature/nurture (culture) factors. Superiority as in Hitler believe the white race to be superior. Or the chinese with their Sinocentrism. Yes, I can use Chinese here as opposed to Americans (because Americans is much more diverse in origin in most of the time doesn't share the same cultural identity).
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You have it completely backwards. Sexism is way more blatant and in your face in manga, especially shounen with panty shots everywhere, the harem genre as a genre is to say enough, all the girls that are simply there to get accidentally fondled, stripped and abused. Even when it is not harmen or ecchi characters in armour generally wear armour that prioritizes sexuality over practically (Erza, from Fairy Tail). That is not to say Western comics and media are not guilty of the same thing, but to ignore how prevalent it is in manga and anime is just ignorant.
Terrible examples, you gave because it is quite genre specific. Why don't you gave the overall impression. Up course, it if is Shoujo or yaoi, the male nudes would be more prominent. And I bet males get abuse too. But I won't talk about it because, it was merely based on my perception and not anything I research on.
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Those people who cry racist for things like Bee though are probably just being stupid, but to say that racism does not exist in all manga and anime is just as stupid... At the same time though you still get manga that adapt Mein Kampf and adapting that book is both racist and even if you want to argue it is not, it is in very bad taste and judgement.
You are losing me now. This thread is for debate, in which people can learn something and change their opinion. Don't gave me general craps, give me specifics. If you think I ignorant of something, give me evidences that I can't absolutely not refute and give in to your premise. I disagree with your second statement that I quoted. People needed to be reminded that Hitler that rise in power isn't the one that killed people, the one that rise in power is a charismatic one. People need to learn from their history. Any charismatic leaders can potentially go down the path of Hitler. People don't vote for horrible person that kill massive amount of people. I just want to point out that my your logic it isn't just racism but also homophobia, prejudice against the disable, etc.
Totally don't understand your NFL thing.
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Racism is defined by most sociologists as, in a nutshell, prejudice + power. And by power, I don't mean physical power, I mean societal/institutional power that has the right to take away your rights, culture, etc..
Thank you, the way some (I meant really minority of) black intellectuals feel disgusted on anime/manga's prejudice is on the same scale as the KKK is just urgghhh making me want to throw up.
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Considering it was revealed early on that her sister is Cheshire AKA Jade Nguyen, I thought it was pretty obvious. Hell, her mom's obviously Asian, so there's that too.
My point being, American comics often portray Asians as just being generic whites with Asian background. I merely restate this as something as read from a forum. But I haven't read enough American comic to say this is true or false. If you are knowledgeable on the subject, Scyfon, enlighten me. (no this isn't sarcasm/I am serious/it always good to learn).
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