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Fuwari
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Oh, remembered one quite annoying... When the main girl's in a pinch, a totally bishonen guy just pops out from thin air and saves the day~ no Seriously, what's up with that...?
And actually the cross-dressing mangas are realllly starting to get on my nerves... Can't they think of soemthing new...? dead

Nonetheless, I really love shojo! biggrin Would not trade it for anything...

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OK, for everyone who seems to have completely the wrong idea...

Love Hina is NOT shoujo!!! Not even in the least bit. Nor is Ichigo 100% or any other similar mangas (like Mahou Sensei Negima, which is another Ken Akamatsu manga)

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I thought of a few more: When the main character cuts her finger (usually during a home ec. class) one of the guys who likes her sucks on it/licks it. (I'm really sick of this one) Also, when the main character gets a minor injury, usually a sprain while playing a sport, the guy will freak out like she's about to die and carry her off to the infirmary princess style. lol It's also common for people in shoujo manga to lose their memories. Especially of their close childhood friends.

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^The princess carrying position.

lawl. Oh darn, she scratched her toe. Gotta carry her to the infirmary or she won't make it.

Is it me or is there a great influx of "step-siblings falling in love" stories? I'm pretty tired of that plot device.

And why are the girls so superficial in shoujos? I want to see for once the girl falling for the ugly or homely dude (not the wuss) and kick that bishounen to the curb. What about falling for someone who, instead of being uber athletic and perfect (another cliche), the guy is handicapped or is not so perfect?

A little variety wouldn't hurt. Shoujo can be too formulaic.

@corallein
I consider a shoujo harem to be where the heroine has anything more than two guys hankering to get into her pants.

ie: Anatolia Story

Same rules apply as they do to shounen.

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great topic, i can't really say anything, because i don't read much shojo ( very very little ), For me its just a soap opera in manga format filled with 14 year olds.

But what i really find unnerving is the rape stuff, or borderline rape stuff. Sweet innocent naive heroine ( who is also: dumm, predictable and as intresting as a piece of cardboard ) and bad ass superhero male hunk ( who turns out to have a soft side ).

Anyway, what i really wanted to write about was the nose bleed stuff. Once, i was sitting or lying around thinking about my girlfriend who was a few thousand miles away, and the unbeleavable happend! Yes, my nose started to bleed. Not that it makes sense, it such situations the blood should be needed elsewhere, but it can happen.

anyway, so much to erotic induced noce bleeds

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My 0.02 cents ...

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OK, for everyone who seems to have completely the wrong idea...
Love Hina is NOT shoujo!!! Not even in the least bit. Nor is Ichigo 100% or any other similar mangas (like Mahou Sensei Negima, which is another Ken Akamatsu manga)


I agree things like Akamatsu's stuff is sienen, not shoujo.

With this in mind, the nose bleeds appear in sienen more. But I think they are funny! I take them to be a visual expression of extreme embarrassment and over-excitedness at seeing nakedness. You know, like a graphic tool for expressing stuff.

Bishounen: Hey, its a story, not real life! Who wouldn't love the ordinary girl to get a hot guy! Same for the stories with an ordinary guy getting a hot girl (or two or three ...). Why do girls like yaoi - for the bishies that'll never happen in real life! Well, I guess anyway, don't read it.

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I consider a shoujo harem to be where the heroine has anything more than two guys hankering to get into her pants.

ie: Anatolia Story



Awww, Red River/Anatolia Story is about Yuri's personal development, history, and her and Kail's love ! In my opinion, anyway. Not reverse harems.
I really like that manga.

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And actually the cross-dressing mangas are realllly starting to get on my nerves... Can't they think of soemthing new...?


It seems there's alot of gender-bender type stories because I guess people like them ... I'm not too keen on them myself ...

I also noticed the number of feverish people from being out in the rain and such ...

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And why are the girls so superficial in shoujos? I want to see for once the girl falling for the ugly or homely dude (not the wuss) and kick that bishounen to the curb. What about falling for someone who, instead of being uber athletic and perfect (another cliche), the guy is handicapped or is not so perfect?


In Ah! My Goddess the main hero is supposed to be very average and pretty short and un-bishounen-like. I think Actually its a sienen, but its got great romance.

Shoujo is very formulaic, but its so popular because of it.

Anyway, I find the over-the-top evil female rivals (like Sae in Peach Girl) very frustrating. Just wanna slap her. But then that's probably the point, and the manga-ka did a good job making Sae a low character!

Sorry I'm coming so late into the thread and making a long post sad

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Waaa... people should use the database more!
Love hina and Ken akamatsu's stuff isn't seinen either... it's shounen. And nosebleeds are more of a shounen graphical tool. Very few seinen use it, and even less shoujo (at least not those I read).
And Ah! My Goddess isn't seinen either... well could be wrong on this one (need NeoFireHawk's help on this lol, he is the all time specialist on the matter)

EDIT: And some other few things I found cliched and that gets on my nerves to:
The r*pe thingy... Every time that happens I just feel a cold shiver run through my spine and start to get nauseous. But for some reason it seems to happen a LOT in shoujo (well it does happen in a lot of Seinen, but at least you get to see the guy get his revenge for what happened in the end...)
And the fact that in the end, almost everybody has gone out with almost everybody... All possible combinations have been tried...

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ladybrasa
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Waaa... people should use the database more!


cry Sorry! I mean, its the 'boy' genres, not the 'girl' genres ... or something ...

I didn't check the DB for Ah! My Goddess .. but I'm sure I've seen it classified as a 'male' genre somewhere ... you know, like average male surrounded by pretty goddesses ...
Akamatsu's stuff is shounen ? I just assumed sienen, 'cause they seem rather 'lusty' for younger boys, but that's probably my conservative American self thinking ...

Once I have bought several volumes of AI Love You, like 5 or 6, and just couldn't take the lustiness anymore, stopped the series and sold them on eBay. I mean the art and everything is good, just definitely not to my tastes.



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Bishounen: Hey, its a story, not real life! Who wouldn't love the ordinary girl to get a hot guy! Same for the stories with an ordinary guy getting a hot girl (or two or three ...). Why do girls like yaoi - for the bishies that'll never happen in real life! Well, I guess anyway, don't read it.

I understood that. I'd be another LJ if I didn't. Of course it isn't real life, but variety still wouldn't hurt. It's good to eat peas sometimes in all that meat fest since it's, you know... healthy.

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Awww, Red River/Anatolia Story is about Yuri's personal development, history, and her and Kail's love ! In my opinion, anyway. Not reverse harems.
I really like that manga.

I really like it too. I'm not dissing it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have its absurdities. It's reverse harem only under my standards.

OT: How about them school festivals. smile

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How about them school festivals. smile

laugh Ahaha, I always like those eyes There's almost always a play and a haunted house/classroom biggrin

I wish they had those in the U.S. though cry

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Yup, it's Kansai-ben. LC takes place in Osaka and people talk like that in there. ^__^ I must say, it's really hard to translate such mangas!

Thanks for telling me! ^_^ Darn, recently I was watching an anime where everyone talked strangely, but oh man I can't remember it now sad


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The worst cliche for me is The one where at the end of the manga, one of the main characters decides to travel (usually the male) dammit i just hate it dead

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I didn't read all the posts since my last one but just felt the need to reply to Stealth's post so if I go back to older stuff later, this is why.

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Waaa... people should use the database more!
Love hina and Ken akamatsu's stuff isn't seinen either... it's shounen. And nosebleeds are more of a shounen graphical tool. Very few seinen use it, and even less shoujo (at least not those I read).

I think that technique is rarely used now. I think it showed up more in older stuff. But for stuff that I know off the top of my head there's [m]Pheromonal Syndrome[/b] (haven't read that one, but it has nosebleeds I've heard) and [m]Love's Red Signal[/m].

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EDIT: And some other few things I found cliched and that gets on my nerves to:
The r*pe thingy... Every time that happens I just feel a cold shiver run through my spine and start to get nauseous. But for some reason it seems to happen a LOT in shoujo (well it does happen in a lot of Seinen, but at least you get to see the guy get his revenge for what happened in the end...)

WOW, guys get attacked in seinen?! eek I guess it's seinen so... Wow, guys screwing each other to revenge... >_> *makes a bit of a mental note to find maybe which of those are in Stealth's list and then avoid them... ^^;*

But is the Shinjo Mayu thing were it's..."consensual r@pe"? :/ That happens WAY more than I would hope it ever occurrs in real life. Even though I read any article on a manga site about how young girls could be thinking that manga storylines where the girl gets treated roughly and is controlled might think "this [the abuse] is love" and disagreed with it saying that all the people reading manga will be "impressionable," well, we do have teens thinking that they just *can't* get pregnant if they pray for it to be that way. :/ But I guess it makes good entertainment so...dead O_o And I guess it's one of those things like "old enough to know better, but young enough to do it anyway", well the read of it. I sure as heck don't encourage the real stuff! dead

And it's like guys (well I think it's fair to say "guys" because I think the girls find enough satisfaction in their smut and such) with totally unreal hentai (catgirls and even mixed/cross-gender stuff...too weird for me... ._.). But I think hentai anime usually has r@pe too, since I ended up looking up anime like Black Mail and the other better recommendations on AnimeNfo (I think this title ended up showing up on the Random Anime on the front page and I just click all the ones lists open in tabs and check them out).

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And the fact that in the end, almost everybody has gone out with almost everybody... All possible combinations have been tried...

Hmm, I guess that's with longer manga. That didn't really happen in Marmalade Boy. Oh yeah, it's probably all the hetero pairings, right? ;) Since I don't think everyone wants to switch teams. XD laugh Now that would be an INSANE ending to a manga in my opinion and the official sign it jumped the shark. XD laugh Oh well, it's the end though, so there's really nothing else to ruin it... bigrazz bigrazz

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How about them school festivals. smile

laugh Ahaha, I always like those eyes There's almost always a play and a haunted house/classroom biggrin

I wish they had those in the U.S. though cry



lol for some reason i like them too bigrazz the "haunted house school festival event" is present in every shoujo manga lol. its just so funny that theyre not scary at all yet the heroine (usually) finds them so scary...

... on another note, is it just me or does anyone else tend to divide shoujo mangas into arcs based on these cliches confused for me i find theres always:
1. meeting/intro arc
2. filler
3. love rival/childhood friend arc
4. filler
5. main problem
6.conclusion

PS: o yah, on the subject of nosebleeds, in shoujo mangas i tend to see the heroine or a girl having the nosebleeds due to the resident bishie (ie: mei-chan no shitsuji / love monster (i think, cant remember) )

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How about them school festivals. smile

laugh Ahaha, I always like those eyes There's almost always a play and a haunted house/classroom biggrin

I wish they had those in the U.S. though cry



lol for some reason i like them too bigrazz the "haunted house school festival event" is present in every shoujo manga lol. its just so funny that theyre not scary at all yet the heroine (usually) finds them so scary...

Except in Lovely Complex biggrin
She was the ghost and she was scary biggrin

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PS: o yah, on the subject of nosebleeds, in shoujo mangas i tend to see the heroine or a girl having the nosebleeds due to the resident bishie (ie: mei-chan no shitsuji / love monster (i think, cant remember) )

The first and only time I saw a girl get a nosebleed was in Shinshi Doumei Cross (The Gentleman's Alliance Cross), and I was actually surprised eek I'd seriously never seen that before...


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hahah.. what about when the girl gets sick... and the guy goes to care for him... or vice/versa? ^_^;;

I kinda like the cliches... makes it fun to read. smile

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