That's a big load of horse dung. Neither "being attracted to people of the same sex" or "believing in God" are choices. You do, you don't, or you're somewhere in between but in every case it's not a choice.

Someone can choose to go to church and so on and so forth, but they can't choose to believe in the deity that the church is built for.

Someone can choose to hide any sexual attraction to their own gender, but they can't choose to feel it or not.

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Uhhhhhhhhh....... noooooo.... just.... nooooo.....

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First of all. Where did you get the idea that a child in a straight family has more freedom of choice than in a gay family?

Second of all. Where did you get the idea that married homosexual adults are atheists?

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how can believing in god NOT be a personal choice? it sure is! some people ,like me,feel comfortable about the idea of the existance of god,it seems right to me and it was my choice to believe in god,but some people dont find this idea rational enough and they choose not to believe in god
its completely up to us!

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as long as there is love, gender doesn´t matter. i think same-sex marriage should be allowed.

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You can choose to SAY you believe in God, but you either do or you don't. Someone can potentially convince you to believe it or not, but in the end, it's like trying to "choose" to like the taste of mushrooms.

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MY TAUGHTS!! MINE

I know i may stomped on some people's feelings but hey? isn't this place to show ur opinion on what you think? so lets try not to flame/rage/hate or quote, someones entire text, then writing, your a ****, because someone is posting something about the TOPIC for what they belive in, if u can't handle this topic PLEASE Don't read IT.

I'm not religious & i don't belive in higher powers etc...

2 Mothers or 2 Father's, it dosen't matter, they can be better parent's or worse like any other people who have kids. Their sexual prefrence does not make them a bad parent.

but a scientifical view show's that children are a need of a mother figures in their early lifes.

marrige & being togther well.. we've been homosexual since we were ape's & other animals been doing it so? lets not drag in some mombo jumbo. & so i don't care if they get married,divorced,die,live.

but sure, homosexual people get married, have fun.



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First of all, while talking about same-sex marriage, one should consider what marriage is. Is it a religious thing? or some legal issue that is totally not in range of religion?

Secondly, being gay, lesbian, bisexual or whatever is NOT a CHOICE you make. You are born that way, and you cannot change it. You may be against the same-sex marriage but, please respect the truth.

As for marriage again, i never really understood why it is illegal. It should be legal for many reasons that are pointed out by many reasonable people before me in this thread. If it is marriage that will give me the right to stay with my life partner when he/she is in hospital, then let same-sex marriage be legal. This is just a basic example.

Unlike some people' concerns, homosexual people do not want to corrupt "marriage", they basically want the same rights as heterosexual couples which are quite basic things.

About children, i can see that some people are suggesting that, if children have homosexual parents they will turn into homosexuals, which is utterly rubbish. I mean, continuing the same logic, if every heterosexual couple had heterosexual children, then how come there are homosexual people?

Since, some smart people wrote very good explanations here, there is not much left to say, but i just had to add one more thing.



You are all about stereotypes i assume? Homosexual, so an atheist? Christian, so an heterosexual? I do wonder what other silly assumptions you have about people, though it is still understandable considering how young you are.

I do wonder, if you are ever given to choice to become an atheist? or have you ever taught about other religions? Also, an atheism is not a religion, you do not raise someone to become an atheist. Atheism has no rules to follow. You teach your children different religions, different gods, and wait for him/her to make own decision. At least that is what my parents did.

How come you are able to make an assumption that, a child of a homosexual couple has no right to choose?

I hope you are not offended, even though your words especially in previous posts were quite offensive. But there is no need to be rude against each other, right?

i might be young but that doesnt mean im dumb or steeotypical,now homosexuality and religion cant come together,since all religions i know are against homosexuality,except if u know of a religion that isnt.
so basically one of the consequences of being homosexual is accepting the fact that your ideals and interests are not welcomed in any religion.
and about me having a choice..yes i did make a choice of my own,after reading about many religions and even hearing the opinions of some athiests
i DIDNT say a child of a homosexual couple has no right to choose,i said the child's freedom will be somewhat restricted,he will feel obliged to follow his parents' footsteps ,ofcourse some minority might not ,but this does affect the child's beliefs and choices,being raised in a homosexual environment that is.
you havent offended me and i wasnt trying to offend anyone either ,i guess there just isnt a way to properly explain my idea without people feeling insulted

I thought you should know that the ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church of America) is willing to ordain gay priests in committed homosexual relationships.

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Where do i start... I have quite a lot of homosexual friends. Believe it or not, some of them are quite religious. Somehow, they are able to find a place for themselves in their chosen religion. And not all religions are against homosexuality. Actually most of them are not against homosexuality what they are against for is homosexual acts. Well anyway you asked for religions, so here is an incomplete list: Reconstructionist Judaism, Reform Judaism, Liberal Judaism. For Christianity, The United Church of Canada even allows same-sex marriage, and views sexual orientation as a gift from God. You can find many other churches that support and allow same-sex marriage if you do some little search in google.

So i think you assumptions, accusations are a little bit off, what you say? That is why i said that you are all about stereotypes. You just assumed that homosexuality equals to atheist, which is clearly wrong.

About your concern about the freedom of the child, i can assure you that it is not the case. Again, you might like to do some research in google, it is not that hard.

I hope you are able to understand.

Well.
It doesn't hurt anyone or anything, so sure. i don't see why not.
Marriage is a legal contract, and since all humans are equal then they should have equal rights.

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Why do you think this? Are you saying that gay couples shouldn't be allowed to adopt?

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I haven't met anyone who is homosexual (at least, AFAIK) - so I really can't say I've formulated a proper opinion on them. (And I'm not silly enough to believe what I see about such people in fiction - manga or otherwise)

But - isn't it okay? I mean, it doesn't do anyone any harm...Who cares about what someone else does in their bedroom anyway? I know I don't!

The adoption thing is a little more complicated. I say the child should have a say in the issue (If I were the kid in question I would refuse, btw. I don't want to be bullied - I'm too sensitive to that kind of thing)

And I'm definitely opposed to gay/lesbian people having their own biological children. I mean, I know I wouldn't be comfortable living in the same house as my father/mother and some man/woman I don't know, who isn't related to me, and whom I don't care about! Not to mention, I'd always be questioning my own sexuality - especially if the homosexual parent is the same gender as me. And I know any other teenager would feel the same way, so...

And yes, I know your parents' sexuality doesn't necessarily affect yours - but logic doesn't apply very well when you're a kid who is feeling left-out, different and lonely, you know?



Buddhism doesn't oppose it.

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I do have a friend who is gay. actually he was my best friend in high school. (I'm a girl, I would probably take it else if I was a boy ). but I think I would say OK to gay marriage even without him. I mean, look at all those yaois, jeez. No really. I don't read them that much. I think my parents are great enough to lead me to toleration. not that there's anything to tolerate. I think if I go home and say I'm homo, they wouldn't care a bit. God I love them. As to kids, I think it's fine in those times. The only thing that could go wrong is them being bullied. but I guess it's better being bullied than being beat up by your parents. if you want to prohibit having kids, those parents should be first. that's all. sorry for my English, btw. I do like gays and lesbians. They have guts.

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You're thinking about it the wrong way. It wouldn't be some man/woman you aren't related to and don't care about. Naturally, you would be raised to think of both people as your parents if only one was your biological parent. You would have known them both and been raised and loved by them since you were born. And for regular adoption where you are related to neither one, for not knowing them, wouldn't that be the same as any other adoption, whether by a gay or straight couple?