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The end of Bleach

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Selim
Post #576337 - Reply to (#576331) by Culaio
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9:43 am, Nov 8 2012
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Like I said Japanese people actually liked arrancar arc very much and this manga was made mainly for Japanese people. it's ONLY difference in opinion because for Japanese people manga DIDN'T go downhill during arrancar arc. its matter of different culture what people like in japan doesn't have to be ...


Could you please provide us with a source saying that the editors FORCED the mangaka to keep on with the arancar arc? Otherwise it's just a rumor..

shonryukku
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11:48 am, Nov 8 2012
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i hate you people who think you have a right to decide when an where someone's creative process should end. if kubo feels there's more to tell then that's more than enough reason to for bleach to keep going. he owes you nothing more so to the fact that if your on this site you probably read it for free with translations that don't come from the mangaka himself and more to the point if bleach has a target audience it's not you

when kubo gives heavy foreshadowing you say it's predictable. that's just arrogance you didn't figure it out he was told you

when kubo does a surprise twist you say that came out of nowhere, that's bad writing, or there was no foreshadowing (which in most cases is not true). essentially complaining about a surprise being a surprise.

you guys also act like the arcs and chapters don't have to receive approval from several editors, which in most cases change the chapter's a little from what was initially envisioned

bleach regardless of whether it is still in publication or not will end when the story is told in full and your ceaseless chatter is anything but constructive.

hindsight is twenty twenty i assure you that if you read bleach it will be a better story the second time around because you can read the chapters en mass and you can spot the foreshadowing, of which there is plenty, of future event more easily.

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Post #576345 - Reply to (#576324) by Culaio
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People don't realize that author DIDN'T want to make arrancar arc this long but was forced by editors to extend it because Japanese loved them, Kubo wanted the arc to be shorter. Also Prior to Aizen's defeat Kubo announced that Aizen's defeat would occur halfway through the manga. yes he wasn't supposed to be final boss. Foreshadowing for current arc already existed people just didn't see it ,in omakes before current arc author said that this arc will explain: why Ichigo looks similar to Kaien, The truth behind the birth of Ichigo and why he's special will be revealed(arrancar grand fisher called ichigo true blood and aizen hinted that he is special existance) and few other secrets. All this will be revaled in this this arc with is a FINAL arc(confirmed by author) of bleach

Would you kind enough to please tell me what was foreshadowed? You see I missed those foreshadowings. I remember the foreshadowing about 20-30 chapter training arc in the final of Aizen arc. The only thing I remember which was foreshadowed in Fullbring arc was Ichigo's new outfit.
Some people are saying that when Aizen said "You're the son of Shinigami & --" was a foreshadowing for Ichigo's mom to be a Quincy. Well then they dont remember whats was said in the next chapter. Aizen said him to be son of a human.
You know, no one would have been pissed from Bleach if author have even gave any foreshadowing of current arc even after first 300 chapters.
How can you expect us to gulp any random bullshit as plot development?

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i hate you people who think you have a right to decide when an where someone's creative process should end. if kubo feels there's more to tell then that's more than enough reason to for bleach to keep going. he owes you nothing more so to the fact that if your on this site you probably read it for free with translations that don't come from the mangaka himself and more to the point if bleach has a target audience it's not you

Dont worry ~ we dont love you either.And no one is judging anyone here.
Many people here buys Bleach when the volumes are available in their region.
The rest of your questions/arguments are detaily explained in all the previous 4 pages.


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Dont worry ~ we dont love you either.And no one is judging anyone here.


hate is a strong word i use it with all the knowledge of it's power. if you count yourself among that group then we have a fundamental difference of opinions and the possibility of us reaching any sort of agreement is slight.

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Many people here buys Bleach when the volumes are available in their region.


considering the speed of your reply you can make no legitimate claim to regarding what many people here do.

there are many more points that i can make on this matter but the matter itself is not central to my argument.

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The rest of your questions/arguments are detaily explained in all the previous 4 pages.


I have read all the posts in this tread ( i have been following for quite some time) and i reread them all before my first post and before this post as well.

in my post i raised no questions and my argument are not "detaily explained in all the the previous 4 pages" a coy attempt to dismiss them deepens my distrust of you.

in my first post i surmised
1) bleach should end when the story is completed
2) users of this site are probably not in a position where discourse on this topic is warranted or constructive

the previous post in this thread are primarily disenchanted fans who wished the manga came to a premature end, fans who feel it should continue primarily due to questions left unanswered and characters and concepts not yet developed.

primary reason for disenchanted seems to be that at some point fans didn't like how the series progressed. additional complaints being a lack of foreshadowing and kubo having a lack of writing skill.

if you do not like how the series has progressed it is not your intellectual property i encourage you to produce your own.

i would genuinely love to read a soul society ending that many have proposed or a after Aizens death ending. i believe that one has yet to be produced because it most likely a momentous task to tie up all the loose ends nicely. i think it would probably take 50 chapters ( you can have ichigo go to isshin and force isshin to answer his questions)

you questioned kubo's writing skill and said your disenchantment stemmed form what you believe is him stretching out the story

i implore you that the story is his creation it is finished when he says it's finished it develops as he wishes it to for the most part i recognize that the story content and development pre-publication may be changed to suit the editors, the release scheduled (ie golden week etc), to elicit more revenue or to curb fan disenchantment however despite all the the story still initially flows from kubo.

i challenge you to present a un-stretched out version - i to feel the development has been or should be slowed or hastened at some points but i respect that fact that this is how he choose to present his story

if you feel the story would be better going into a different direction do so, make it your own

there is judging going on here you are judging kubo, his work, his writing skill, and his ambitions no one gave you that right.

i learned a long time ago not to trust those who try to sway you with majorities and claim to speak for people they do not in fact represent.

i could make many claims to foreshadowing you claim to have not seen however that is between you and Culaio. my only in put on the matter is that possibly we saw foreshadowing and you didn't because we asked questions you didn't now those questions we asked are being addressed to our pleasure to your it seems dismay.

belmz
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3:19 pm, Nov 8 2012
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it's fine as it is. what about the mistery regarding ichigo's mom if you expect it to end at arrancar arc

Culaio
Post #576380 - Reply to (#576345) by strixflash
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8:52 pm, Nov 8 2012
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Would you kind enough to please tell me what was foreshadowed? You see I missed those foreshadowings. I remember the foreshadowing about 20-30 chapter training arc in the final of Aizen arc. The only thing I remember which was foreshadowed in Fullbring arc was Ichigo's new outfit.
Some people are ...


didn't you read my whole post ? grand fisher called ichigo "true blood"(long time ago), also in omake author said that mystery of ichigo birth will be explained in current arc and it shows BOTH pics of grandfisher calling ichigo "true blood" AND Aizen saying "You're the son of Shinigami & --" (http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6697/bleachasylum003004.g if ) with means that there was more to what aizen said.
Even Ichigo looking like Kaien could be foreshadowing.


I will try to find where author said that editors "encouraged" him to make arrancar arc longer, but I found this info on MANY sites including tvtropes.org

EDIT: I didn't found yet where it says that editors "encouraged" him to do that but I found in Shonen Jump interview from 2011 Kubo saying that arrancar arc was longer than planed.

Last edited by Culaio at 9:18 pm, Nov 8

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