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kawasaki
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8:54 am, Jun 12 2010
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I hated the way publishers think. They must be blind or really stupid to fight against scanlators.
They must support scanlation groups. I would never know and love manga or anime if it weren't scanlation groups in the first place.
It isnít reasonable for an international reader to prefer their product.
Because;
1. In my country there is not a manga/anime market where I can buy for a reasonable price.
2. So it is really unconvenient for me to buy $10 manga and ship it here for $50 or more. Though, I bought some great manga volumes BUT after I read their SCANLATIONS.
3. The release time of licensed mangas are painfully long. You should wait for months for the next volume.
4. They abrubtly decide to drop the series with a high hand.
I think our internet freedom is being laid sieged gradually by some dark hands of the system. In my country now we are under the blackout of accessing google, youtube and some others. Can you believe it? In this time and era!?

Odinn
Post #535326 - Reply to (#535298) by Name-Undecided
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10:18 am, Jun 12 2010
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hahahaaha talking about right and wrong in this way, that's laughable.

But seriously, most scanlators try to do projects/manga that are not yet translated in their language, groups which translate the popular manga are continuing the project from when it was dropped due to licensing. Yes this is illegal, however, it was the manga community who made the series popular in other languages. The worst part legally speaking is those who thry to make money off these scanlations, eg Tazmo.

"not being able to get something legally does not justify stealing it" that my friend is quite the moronic idea. If lets say you could not get food legally what can you do but "steal" it. But that is a bad comparison and mainly because in most cases nobody is stealing anything scanlating unlicensed manga is perfectly legal as nobody owns the right to publish the series in that language.

"The publishers are taking the action they think is necessary to protect their legitimate intellectual property." Yes so do many publishing companies hollywood included try to take down filesharing of movies and the like. The matter is quite simple: the out price themselves. The concept is simple, what upholds the law? it is not the police although they are the driving force behind the reason, quite simply it is the risk/reward ratio. In most cases the risk far outweighs the reward so most people wouldn't break the law, however, in this case like all internet piracy the risk is minimal and the reward is great often savings of $100s $1000s or even $10,000s compared to a negligible risk of being caught/prosecuted and fines of $10,000s to $100,000s tops.

Actually whether it will work is part of the question. how do you think they will fund the litigation? through their prices driving more people to the internet, and stopping fans who are willing to support their favourite authors from doing so.

Actually they are going about this completely the wrong way; they need a competing medium. Manga is free on the internet, But not for the scanlators who not only use a very large amount of their personal time scanlating but in many cases their own money as well.

Scanlating, contrary to publisher belief, supports the author, while admittedly not as much as each person buying their own book, where do you think the scans come from? the book, straight out of the book, and in most cases ruining the book in the process. There are many series that i read/have read that i would not buy, but my support of the scanlator by visiting their site would contribute to their advertising revenue however little and may even have allowed them to start a new series or buy a new book.

must be said i feel nothing about taking money from the fat wallets of publishing company CEO's and if you dont support the community why are you apart of it?

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Post #535327 - Reply to (#535319) by sherlo
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excuse me, what?

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Fareki
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I haven't seen anyone address the real issue, though. It seems as though the publishers are mainly targeting the aggregator sites, not the actual scanlators themselves. From what I've read over the net, it would seem that the publishers consider the scanlators to be a "necessary evil" to see what would give them profit by the popularity. But they consider the aggregators to be the ones that don't "follow the rules." For example this shows that the main reason why the publishers have started taking actions is because their sales have started dropping. However, isn't the recent bad economy the reason behind the lowered sales? Sure, the free manga online might be a small reason, but some people use the aggregators because the have no other alternative.

Any thoughts, anyone?

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Genten
Post #535329 - Reply to (#535324) by Manick
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3:40 pm, Jun 12 2010
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Thanks. I was worried for a moment there.

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Enternalfir3
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7:26 pm, Jun 12 2010
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I am fine with them shutting down things that are already coming to the U.S and other places such as all those Shounen Jump series, but they'd better not touch the ones that aren't. The only way we are getting the great unpopular series that are never going to make it out of Japan is from scanlation... If they are going to shut down scanlation then they should do their job and actually try to translate some other series besides Naruto, and Bleach, and crap like that and focus on some other series otherwise, they are going to be taking away things and leaving fans unhappy.

mystic2101
Post #535331 - Reply to (#535254) by Elcrane
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11:59 pm, Jun 13 2010
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I read the article...really the companies are about to hurt themselves...I got more interested in manga because of finding it online...then would buy what they had avail in the US...I think they're sales dropped due to the economy and people spending less...

But it will probably be just like music...and they'll make a site like itunes for manga

ChiirokoChan
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12:10 am, Jun 14 2010
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I see this recent "movement" is already starting to affect online manga sites.
http://manga.animea.net/ has removed all their manga...

torrentchan
Post #535333 - Reply to (#535317) by Achiyugo
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4:00 am, Jun 14 2010
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is that just hope or theyre just really down temp? cause I m kinda worried >.<

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Post #535334 - Reply to (#535328) by Fareki
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3:47 am, Jun 15 2010
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That's what it seems to me. This might be an interesting read (It's down now but what the articles says is that not all publishers think that scanlation is bad).

What I'm curious about is why the coalition doesn't seem concern with chinese sites that function similarly as manga aggregators. They might be of chinese scans of manga from Japan but they're still licensed property and they have an even more notorious ads in those sites. Don't you wonder what the coalition's stand on this is?

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torrentchan
Post #535335 - Reply to (#535333) by torrentchan
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3:10 pm, Jun 15 2010
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yay theyre back on now

flegmatikus
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2:28 pm, Jun 16 2010
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American publishers just can't adapt their business model fast enough for changing times.

Some people patronize scanlations because of the unprecedented and unmatched quick release and wide distribution.

Also, some scanlators even offer superior translations than official english releases with their TL notes and stay-true-to-the-meaning content. For example, I'm disappointed by the whitewashing of Hiruma's cursing in Eyeshield 21 in the english release. Seems AMERICAN publishers are scared-shitless from parental censorship if they stayed true to the meaning. Also, Japanese is a colorful language, meaning one sentence can be translated differently and scanlators put this in TL notes which is absent in english releases.

This so-called piracy scapegoat is just American publishers being unable to fulfill a consumer need. Scanlators were borne long before paysites emerged. Maybe its time to change the publisher's model. For one thing, they can appoint some superior scanlators to be the official online release and distributor and rack up revenues from the ads then they can just release a colored collectors version on print. Frankly, I buy manga only if I like it until its end. It sucks to be stuck with a manga that started off as good then, over time, became bad with a crappy ending and there are many of them out there.

This witchhunt will not stop with just one manga.

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