it was already posted and said to be less in-depth on the subject compared to the other blog posted.

@crenshinibon: yeah you're right it's still not solid enough to convince me. most of it is rather interpretation IMO. the parallels add to it very well, but it doesn't seem like it's enough to convince everyone to turn around and say "He Lives!". it's like you pointed out earlier, if there was larger information on the history of Geass and how the code specifically works it would make the argument so much easier.

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I don't see how knowing specifically how the code works makes any difference. Even if we say that it's impossible for his geass to have evolved/ for him to have Charles' code, there's no reason he couldn't have taken CC's (we don't see her symbol after her KMF fight.) We do know that immortals exposed to the world of C (via dying/mindtrip power/geass evolution) generate the glimpse of the past upon being touched, that much is certain. The only real unknown is if the person touching them has to fulfill some sort of requirement, we know that it's possible for Lelouch and Suzaku under the show's original conditions, at least... anyway, I digress, because ranting isn't going to solve anything and this conversation is really quite circular . But yeah, if we had been given information that "geass can evolve into code" earlier, then it would all be solved by now for all but the most stubborn people.

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Whoa. I should've realized that there would be rampant speculation over Lelouch's fate. I don't think Michael is pulling this stuff out of his ass since it does draw on examples from the series. However, it looks like the opinions of most fans are more or less biased by the desire for Lelouch's survival, which casts doubt over the whole affair.

From my point of view, most of Michael's "firm evidence" is based on conjecture. Theories like Lelouch receiving the Code from Charles' hand is shaky at best, and calling C.C.'s last statement "painfully obvious" is a painfully hopeful overstatement: she could easily have been talking to the dead, as many people ACTUALLY DO IN REAL LIFE. As for the Code, it does indeed seem to activate upon death; however, since Lelouch's fate is unclear and no visible Code markings are shown on his body we wouldn't know if he had received it in the first place.

However, the reactions of C.C., Jeremiah, and Suzaku are also pretty ambiguous and are vague enough to work whether Lelouch lives or dies. As mentioned by others, C.C. may have been talking to the faceless cart driver or empty air as she so often does (like with Marianne, who was supposedly dead), Suzaku might be in anguish over stabbing his friend and/or Lelouch's sacrifice, and Jeremiah would probably not be happy at all over yet another one of his charges being killed. Still, not enough to support the possibility of Lelouch's survival.

However, the one thing I really cannot dispute is the memory transfer that happens when Nunnaly grabs her brother's hand. As far as we know, this ONLY happens when potential Geass users make physical contact with a Code, and there is really no explanation to counter this. So while I feel that most of this blog post and the following comments are merely wishful thinking, this is one little tidbit that will keep us fans hungry for more.

-Curtis

For those of you that don't know 16 is the legal age of marriage in Japan, with parental consent, and Anya's parents/guardians are pretty much non existent as far and the show has shown...

And as a Kallen fan I don't mind the ending with Lulu living forever with C.C. I thnk they acquitted her pretty well over all. Plus we all knew there was no way she was going to win in the end, we were just hoping against hope.

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As someone who watched every Geass episode at least 3 times, excluding the crappy last ones ( ), I find it particularly weird... that out of no where... they suddenly pick out a scene from Season 1 Ep. 14... .___.

That line is worth gold.
It's a message.

All literary works can be analyzed to some extent, and this is one of the more obvious clues (more like a big hammer hitting on your head from the director ). Though those clues are usually so frivolous that you never notice them the first time.

I'm sure that the ones who have analyzed a book from a renowned writer know what I'm talking about.

P.S.: This is no wishful thinking though; not once did they show a scene from Season 1, except for the LelouchxSuzaku confrontation and some 'life-flashes-before-your-eyes' moments (e.g. Shirley regaining her memory, etc.)

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I think and hope Lelouch is dead. I HATE when people die and then come back. It would really cheapen the series to me if they came back with some OVA where Lelouch is alive and kicking.

For me, the whole series was like the Tragedy of Lelouch where he tries to do good but ends up hurting basically everyone he wants to protect and the whole thing ends with him making himself the sacrificial lamb for the world. If he comes back alive, all of that is out the window for me and the show is nothing more than a cheap mash up of Eureka 7 mech fights where they swapped out Renton for Yagami Light.

Plus, alot of you guy's theories read like:

"If you assume that everything they showed wasn't the case and you assume that something that never happened happened, then you assume on top of that that the thing that never happened led to something else that never happened, then you go back to season 1 and assume that something with zero evidence happened. If you analyze all of that and then assume something else based off of that, clearly Lelouch is still alive."

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please actually read the arguments instead of making blanket statements. As I've been saying pretty much throughout this entire thread, there is one thing that actually has evidence and is supported, but the rest is entirely based on conjecture >_>.

In any case, his identity as Lelouch is dead either way, so whether he died or not he still lost everything but CC, who he can talk to either way.

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NightSwan also said that she wanted to peg me, once, but I'm not sure whether to take that as a compliment or a threat...

yep, they're both chillin in there sharing a bong, along with bin ladin. no wonder the bush administration didn't find him

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well i think Lelouche is not dead because:

1) i read all of Crenshinibon's explanations and they seemed to me safe and sound.

2) its true that C.C was crying before the stabbing scene of Lulu, but thats because she didnt know if Lulu had the code (=immortality). In the cart however, she is really relaxed (a thing rarely seen in one deprived of her dearest person and of the possibility to die/love/trust because of that)she is NOT melancholic (hope you all agree) AND lift her head in the direction of the cart-driver. She also says that the statement that says that the geass brings one's solitude is "not accurate": why should she say so if he was dead?
I only wonder why the last picture is for the paper crane, maybe i didnt read about it...

3)Lulu is the cart driver: of all of the camera angles to present the cart, they opted for the one that gives off only a tiiiiny bit of the cart driver without giving his identity (i only recognized some clothes): they could have presented the scene from the above and then zoom on c.c., since she is laid on the rear, sky-facing. I find this choice a hint.

Edit: Last theory of Lelouche. He somehow obtained his mother's power and at the last moment he... transferred into the paper crane C.c is talking to, in the end.

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The paper crane can symbolize a wide variety of things (parting with Nunnally, CC's wish being fulfilled, or ever his death in some cases) but most people seem to feel that (regardless of his living or dying) it's a sign that things have come full circle (due to its traditional symbolic meaning).

Back to work...gah... I should really stop posting in this thread, but I guess I'll keep at it until 00 starts or it calms down .

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NightSwan also said that she wanted to peg me, once, but I'm not sure whether to take that as a compliment or a threat...

I've read alot of posts on various places and I see alot of pro-lifers and pro-deaths assuming Lelouch knew he was going to survive in arguements about him being alive or dead, and frankly while Lulu's character is someone who always has an escape plan and back up plans I don't think he knew he was going to live due to immortality of the Code but from all of the points [especially the Memory bit with Nunna] I've seen in the Arguements and from the show I firmly believe Lulu is alive and that the crane was a gift from Nunnally and possibly Suzaku after he had revived in private or the grave [we never see any sign of a Funeral for him after all XD]

However If he knew he was going to survive..... that cheaps his sacrifice alittle in my mind

and Suzaku doesn't have it too badly, he has become Nunnallies Knight just like Lulu wanted, and Nunnally knows Ze
ro is Suzaku as does Kallen so its not like he will always be Zero 24/7 esp. not in private

and for Orange X Anya, Adoption, there is no mature Love between the characters so marriage is out of my mind, Orange restored her memory and respects her abilities

And finally Jeremiahs smile? simple, he knew of the Zero Requiem and followed his orders happily knowning its what His charge wanted and that it would also free Nunnaly to become Empress thus meaning he hasn't failed to protect them

edit: just might be one of my lostest posts

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Keep in mind however...if I remember right, in the beginning of the series, the Emperor did say he spoke with Clovis, and that Clovis was happy, sitting at a beach...whether it was because of the sword of whatever, or because of geass...we cannot say. And remember...the Emperor and Lelouch's mother wanted to unite the world of the living and the dead. So it's not so far fetched that there is a separate after life, but one that people can still interact with...and Lelouch will go there one day as well.

I, however, taking into account other facts, doubt he is actually dead. We don't know really what happened to the body, but in the chaos of the celebration after his "death," it would not have been too hard to slip away unnoticed, if he'd had a change of clothes.

In the end, it's an open ending, left to be interpreted however you like.

He never actually said Clovis was on a beach . That's just a running joke, but yes, he did speak with Clovis, hence why I've been saying that CC could speak with Lelouch if she wanted to anyway, even if he is dead. The "unite the world of living and dead" thing is a little different too- it's a human instrumentality-style mind meld, there would be no consciousness afterward because everyone would be the same person.

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NightSwan also said that she wanted to peg me, once, but I'm not sure whether to take that as a compliment or a threat...

i only watched 6eps of this...and it looks like Death Note in a way...Lulu=Light...and other dude=L...i hate tht cuz after readin some posts here im pissed cuz Lulu might hav died(who knows) and Sukuzu guy is alive after gettin shot and also blowin up...wtf is tht.

i liked Light...i thought he was kool and imo i thought of up as a hero...same wit Lulu...why do they hav to be evil?

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Code Geass = Death note

Heard it before and I can see some similarities but I wouldn't say Lulu is Light and Suzaku is Ryuk or L [which ever you where comparing him to]

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