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tericloth
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6:41 am, May 30 2013
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I think the Rose Hip Rose and Magnum Rose Hip entries should be combined. I think this because Magnum Rose Hip's only tankoubon publication comes under the name of "Rose Hip Rose". If not, both entries will need some better explanation than they currently have (which is mostly none).

Rose Hip Rose was originally serialized from 2002-2003, and then put into 2 tankoubon volumes. In 2006, Magnum Rose Hip was serialized and then it was put into the last 2 (of 4) volumes of a reprint of "Rose Hip Rose". (Ref: author's ja.wikipedia page .) That is, all 4 of these volumes only say "Rose Hip Rose" on the cover, with the Magnum Rose Hip chapters in the last 2 volumes being titled "Magnum Rose Hip". (Ref: raw tank scans.)

IMO it's just easiest to make them one entry, have "Magnum Rose Hip" as an alias, and just explain that Magnum Rose Hip is in the last 2 volumes of the 4-volume tank release.

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7:12 am, May 30 2013
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Then why does the Rose Hip Rose releases by s.ADTRW have 4 volumes?

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Post #601312 - Reply to (#601233) by lambchopsil
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Then why does the Rose Hip Rose releases by s.ADTRW have 4 volumes?

Well, if you really want to know for sure, you'll have to ask them... But mostly, I'd guess it's just because that's what you guys had. If this place said 4 volumes, then they may have just tried to simulate 4 volumes with what they had.

It's kind of a good question in another sense, though, since their "chapters" are actually riddled with many random missing pages compared to the tank raws (for the reprint). However, given random differences compared to tank pages (like what magazine a character is reading), they may have been using magazine scans...or, remotest possibly, a scan of an unknown tank edition. But since they don't really have any proper front material or back material, I kind of doubt it's any tank scan. I can show you one or more of the raw reprint tanks if you'd like, and you can compare them yourself and see what you think about ADTRW's scanlations.

Small aside:
There's also word around that RHR was discontinued at 4 volumes, but that's not true. Its 2003 serialization stopped with the cancellation of the magazine it was running in, and that came out to 2 volumes originally (or 2 volumes plus several other original RHR chapters in the last 2 volumes, for the reprint). Then MHR was serialized as a sequel and, afaik, ran to its own completion.

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7:50 am, May 31 2013
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Then the original release numbers don't match the current volume numbers. Do you have the correct matching?

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12:15 pm, May 31 2013
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It was so off, I just didn't bother looking too deeply before, but...

From ADTRW's covers, it appears they were actually using Chinese (Hong Kong) scans.

ADTRW's chapter 1 has parts of the reprint's chapter 1 and chapter 2. ADTRW's chapter 2 has parts of the reprint's chapter 3 and chapter 4. ADTRW's chapter 3 mostly matches the reprint's chapter 5 (there are significant differences, though). ADTRW's chapter 4 (vol 2) is mostly the same as the reprint's chapter 6 (vol 1).

For some reason, ADTRW's chapter 5 scans differ very much from the reprint scans. The beginning matches chapter 7 (first chapter of volume 2) of the reprint, but several pages near the end are taken from the reprint's chapter 8...but the very last page is (the last) one from chapter 7 again. After that, ADTRW's chapter 6 starts off in the middle of the reprint chapter 8 (at the point after what was in ADTRW's chapter 5) and then covers chapter 9. (This is the end of ADTRW's volume 2.)

...And that mess with ADTRW's chapter 5/6 is as far as my patience takes me, especially having already noted they were Chinese scans. (I will at least go so far as to note that ADTRW's last chapter, 11, corresponds to the last Rose Hip Rose chapter (before Magnum Rose Hip), chapter 14. This would imply that 7-10 basically correspond to 10-13.) I don't know how you should label ADTRW's scanlations. If you'd really like, you can download ADTRW's last two "volumes" yourself and I can point you to the reprint scans so you can check the rest yourself. With that chapter 5/6 mess, I'm simply inclined to believe that the Chinese scans are not...faithful? Or whatever.

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Huh... I'm not sure what to do...

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Huh... I'm not sure what to do...

About the scanlation, I suppose.

What about my original suggestion to combine the Rose Hip Rose and Magnum Rose Hip entries? The scanlation thing seems to me like an inconsequential tangent in that consideration. Whether the entries are combined or not, ADTRW's "volumes" won't match up either way.

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8:22 am, Jun 1 2013
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I'm very curious how the scanlators came to think there were 4 volumes

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That's probably actually just because that was how the Chinese tanks they used were printed. Their volume 2-4 covers do have a "2", "3", "4" (I suppose "1" is implied for volume 1).

And if you want to ask why the Chinese edition might have set it up that way, I'd wager, "Just because".

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4:13 pm, Jun 1 2013
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Would you happen to know if the volumes 1-2 in the original tank are the same as in the reprint?

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Quote from lambchopsil
Would you happen to know if the volumes 1-2 in the original tank are the same as in the reprint?

Since volume 3 of the reprint actually contains the last 2 RHR chapters (as well as the 3rd to last for some reason, even though it was also at the end of volume 2), no, the original tanks must have been somewhat different from the reprint volumes 1 and 2.

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7:29 am, Jun 2 2013
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So when you compared the scanlations, you compared them against the reprints and not the originals, right?

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So when you compared the scanlations, you compared them against the reprints and not the originals, right?

Yes.

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6:55 am, Jun 3 2013
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I'm leaving the 2 series entries in existence. Rose Hip Rose contains some small details on the reprint. All the old releases have had their volume numbers removed

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The list is still looking for chapter 8 of Zenryaku, Yuri no Sono yori; the changes in chapter numbering should make chapter 7 the latest release.

Thanks!

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