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If you think that manga/media influences people to commit crimes like that you are sadly mistaken. These serial killers/rapists have always existed you just see more now because of the easy accessibility of information internet/news tell you more of this happening. Do you honestly think pedophiles just magically appeared recently. The only think censoring manga/literature will do is upset people and limit expression causing them to find other means to express their feelings/thoughts.

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2) There has been more and more crimes over the years and more and more violent crimes, serial murders and stuff.


Says who? The criminal rate is also connected to the economy. Look at USA, people are living in tents because of the financial crysis, no wonder the criminality rate is increasing.

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It's straying away from manga here...
Go back on topic please.



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No, and it never will be. Manga is incredibly niche, and unless somthing happens that irritates the "moral majority", no one will bother spending money to monitor/regulate it.

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HELL

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I, for one, am a great hater of monitoring, and censorship.

Violent media don't cause the audience to be violent, it's violent people that are attracted to violent media (target audience, duh). Of course, this doesn't necessarily make you a violent person if you like violent media.
It shows that you're okay with it and deep inside, depending on the situation, you wouldn't mind causing the violence now and then. I mean, we've all had anger outbursts haven't we? or mental anger outbursts at least xD

In the matter of V tech, the media was just trying to find scapegoats. The dude was bullied and depressed. He cracked, bang bang. Simple story, but not exactly an interesting one. The media always wants a big story, and that's why they like pointing fingers.

Like some have already said, monitoring manga/anime content would be limiting expression. In a way, would also be limiting creativity.

It's just... no

Oh, and for the record, FUCK censorship!

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To me censorship/monitoring is more or less synonymous with dictatorship. Why should someone else decide what can and cannot be read/watched by people?

We all have to take responsibility for our own actions. Blaming it on manga/computer games/books a.s.o is just being a coward about it. Fact of the matter is that it's not the fault of the manga content if someone goes haywire, it's most likely something quite fundamental in the person's own psyche. Sure, manga could've been the trigger but there's nothing that says something else wouldn't have been it. There's just too many factors to why some people lose it.

I think this comic strip quite accurately puts the finger on the trouble with violence in the society (even if it's about video games rather than manga but still...): http://www.animepodcast.org/d/waronvideogames/index.html

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Quote from Catriona
To me censorship/monitoring is more or less synonymous with dictatorship.

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I think this comic strip quite accurately puts the finger on the trouble with violence in the society (even if it's about video games rather than manga but still...): http://www.animepodcast.org/d/waronvideogames/index.html


Nice. It seems you'd like one type of dictatorship over another...



But I'm for freedom of all kinds. Government should not have the authority or power to censor/control manga reading. A friend has talked about how comics in the us matured, and since the comic guidelines were in place the only type of comic that could flourish with restrictions were superhero comics(dunno if they were industry or gov't, probably industry so that gov't wouldn't censor them as is usually the case in America). Limited the comic artform to a great degree in it's earliest stages.

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How do you mean I would like one type of dictatorship over another? I dislike any kind of attempts to play Big Brother.

The comic strip I posted was just an interesting input to the whole discussion about violence and what causes it (and why people blame video games and the likes)

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How do you mean I would like one type of dictatorship over another? I dislike any kind of attempts to play Big Brother.

The comic strip I posted was just an interesting input to the whole discussion about violence and what causes it (and why people blame video games and the likes)



many people say they don't want the government involved in their lives, but when the rescission hit, the government is not getting involved enough.

anyways back on topic. I'm not suggesting no violence in art, that would just be boring.

The type I'm thinking is someone thing alone the lines of a crime being committed and the person either gets away with it or gets some kind of reward.

Or a art form that clearly outlines how a crime is committed.

a lot of people are saying that people can't prove games, manga, tv are the cause, but you also can't prove that it isn't.

As for where I got my information on crime rate going up. You guys heard of the internet? Magazines? The news?

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You can make all of the correlations you want in life, but until a substantial amount of information is obtained, until there is a lot of proof, all you are doing is guessing.

Is violence in video games, tv, movies, etc a direct cause of violence increase in society today? Is it the drugs that cause it or is money to blame? Perhaps it is the lack of reality in war today that is the cause? To many people, because the war isn't taking place at your doorsteps, perhaps your primitive human instincts are being expressed in different ways, such as domestic violence. In the past, this instinct was released in the form of war, not across some ocean on another continent, but with your neighboring city. Perhaps violence in media itself is the method in which some people release their primitive instincts, who knows?

Pornography for example is generally accepted to be a private issue, but many people believe that pornography results in an increase in sexual assault and sexual abuse. There is a compilation of four different studies that have found results stating otherwise. You can guess all you want about the root of all evil, or the cause of all things but because our view, as human, is limited to only what we know and what we can think of, it'll never be the truth.

Now bringing this around to the topic at hand, is violence in manga going to create a killer out of you? Is perversion or sex scenes going to result in sexual assault and rapists everywhere? Most likely not, but it doesn't necessarily subtract from the situation either. Manga, just like everything, should be monitored, the question isn't whether the content should be monitored, the question is by who, and how.

Who your content is monitored by will create bias in the thoughts that can be released. If it is monitored by vatican, they won't appreciate anti-christian thought, if it is monitored by a rape victim, they probably won't allow the rape to pass censorship. Depending on the audience, depending on the target group, there needs to be a different person monitoring the content in manga, you can't simply block one topic to all ages because a child might read it. If a child reads content that is inappropriate but in the appropriate category, it is the responsibility of the parents and the retailer then.

As well, how. Whether it is censorship, complete barring, or adult content warnings, depending on the severity of the content and the target audience, one should utilize different means of monitoring and control. For adult mangas, the control will be lacking, but in children manga, the control should be strict.

Manga should be monitored though, even if it is simply a small degree, but it should not be monitored so heavily that it becomes a dictatorship. Remember, extremes are very rarely a good idea, whether it is in ethics, morality, and sometimes in everyday life, and this is one such situation. Too little control and we end up with traumatized children. Too much control, and imagination and creativity dies.

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1:12 am, Mar 30 2009
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EDIT: Heh, didn't finish reading, sorry.

Anyway...

I personally (Don't rage at me) don't understand why people bring manga to the US if they know it's going to cause a lot of trouble. In Japan, there are very different views on many things that we feel we have the moral high ground on. Some people who venture over there are shocked and disgusted by what they see. Panties, porn, all sorts of things in vending machines that kids can clearly see. Why don't they stop, a lot of people wonder.

I think that Japan probably does have a problem with under reporting of rape and the like. However, no matter what, the violent crime rate is still far lower over there.

I'm also willing to bet that if people turned down the paranoia levels a few notches, we wouldn't be a society living in fear, doing rash and stupid things "for the children"- because let's face it. The only reason people want media censored is to protect kids from 'harmful material'.

Ehhh.



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Quote from Emuchan
Quote from lemondude
2) There has been more and more crimes over the years and more and more violent crimes, serial murders and stuff.


Says who? The criminal rate is also connected to the economy. Look at USA, people are living in tents because of the financial crysis, no wonder the criminality rate is increasing.


And yet Japan was in a recession for 10 years in the 1990s because of a housing bubble and no bailout from their government. Crime was still less diffused then it is in the United States. roll eyes

EDIT: Monitor yaoi, yes plox. Get that away from me.

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89 to 3 huh
I'm part of those 89 who said no.
Well, I see manga not as something to pass time, but actually as a book with nice drawings, or a movie that isn't mobile (no animation/movement, etc). So should all those violent books and movies be monitored? How much people take manga seriously is their own fault. Think about it, wouldn't violent video games be monitored too then?

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Or a art form that clearly outlines how a crime is committed.

a lot of people are saying that people can't prove games, manga, tv are the cause, but you also can't prove that it isn't.

As for where I got my information on crime rate going up. You guys heard of the internet? Magazines? The news?


But just because we can't prove it doesn't increase crime, should we then monitor everything just because it could happen? If so we would have to monitor TV, video games, things that go on when one's out shopping, things said on the bus and so on into infinity/dictatorship.

You're mentioning the Internet... if it's about art clearly outlining how a crime is committed isn't the internet worse? You can do a quick search and immediately find out how to make a bomb or find out how to perform other criminal acts. Should we then monitor the internet as well (which is said to be there in order to increase the freedom for people?). And don't even get me started on movies... There's tons of movies about the perfect crime, especially with the trend of anti-heroes and the like.

And yeah, news... I'm a journalist in the making so I know well enough about media and the way it reports certain stuff. But in many situations media is quite good at blowing things out of proportion. It seems there's still this naive belief that media is always impartially reporting about things that go on in the society. People tend to forget that journalists and media as a whole also needs money to exist. Media is very much controlled by supply and demand. They report on things that make people buy newspapers or raise their watcher stats. They go for things that give good headlines. So just because something is reported in the newspaper doesn't mean it's 100% true or unbiased. There's stats that've been tampered with (most often not by the journalists themselves, although it has happened), too little or wrong information and more. Journalists are under extreme pressure these days and have to report things quickly, especially with the increased net journalism, and so checking their sources, digging deeper into the topic and so on is neglected to an alarming degree.

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many people say they don't want the government involved in their lives, but when the rescission hit, the government is not getting involved enough.

Well, of course, humans are like that. We're never satisfied. But it's a far stretch between monitoring/censoring literature and the likes and handling the country's finances/making sure people don't get hit too hard by the recession.

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I really think it should be, for the better of the community and world.

1) Last year or was it some whatever amount of time ago, was the V tech shooting. The media clams that the boy wrote some disturbing plays, amongst other signs. The question here is isn't overly violent manga or G manga the same or worse as writing about violent actions?

Before you say anything about it's their job, it's also the job of the student to write, if in english class.


2) There has been more and more crimes over the years and more and more violent crimes, serial murders and stuff. Doesn't violent media encourage these people? At the very least it certainly doesn't make them want to stop.


I'm just putting manga instead of media in the title for couple of reasons, one it's a manga website, but I'm sure you guys heard of this thing called movies. And 2 the Japanese's works have been getting out of hand, without mentioning the more crazy stuff, just something like berserk and TenTen, the stuff are already getting way too graphical.

And for those that say it's already 18+, when was the last time you saw a rampaging baby?


Well, first of all, I don't really think there's been that many more violent crimes going on. I just think that, with the way news and the media has evolved, those crimes are just covered much more than they would have been 20-30 years ago.

Secondly, even if media was causing people to commit violent crimes, i dont think manga is the first place to go. It just doesnt have a wide enough audience to make THAT big of an influence. If you want to target something, target TV or movies or any of the other shit that people say turns kids into serial killers. I honestly think that kids are much more influenced by the people around them (mostly family) than they are by stuff they see and KNOW is ficitional.

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