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Why are some bad mangas so popular in the short run, and what causes certain good mangas to be so few?

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rafaelefucho
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I am starting this new Topic Because I notice that is a lot of Fashion manga and only a few are worthless mangas.

I won't name any fashion manga because it will start a war in this sacred Forum.

But I will name only one worth manga I think everybody here has read "Slam dunk"
why this one
because everybody who has read it agreed that this is a great manga tomorrow, today, yesterday and the next vacation (is when I read again because is too good).

The think is that we have so many great Mangakas who only knows how to draw really well, then this mangaka in some miss of creativity or excess. Tells a safe tale, almost like a teletubis tale going for the safe o making a copy that something already existed, or make a new Fashion product for only sell.

My point is why there are some crappy manga that are so famous while the valuables ones don't. Or why people seams to enjoy it.

The best mangas in my opinion are like good songs it will last forever. Not for the season. Like the songs from Spices Girls (Not hard feelings for the fans of the SG).

Do you know the difference between a good manga and a fashionable one?

Again my english sucks so please forgive me.


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otakubaybay
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First of all, judging by the title of this topic, shouldn't it be in the Adult 18+ category? eek

And then, does the question you're asking have anything to do with the topic title?! eek

A bit confused over here...

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Heh, heh, heh. Luisalirio screwed-up rafaelefucho's topic title laugh

I think the topic here is (my guess): Why are some bad mangas so popular in the short run, and what causes certain ones to be remembered far into the future?

or you can figure out the question yourselves, clues!:
Quote from rafaelefucho
"Do you read manga to enjoy manga or just to enjoy yourself with it?"

If anyone please help me to make the right question (My english sucks) and I think it doesn't shows what I want to ask.

The case is this in a period of time some people really love POKEMON but now nobody seams to like it.

Yesterday, today and tomorrow everybody seams to enjoy some mangas, are some mangas just "fashion of the season"??


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I am soo evilll mwahahahahahhahaha. I told him this topic title in his other thread cause that's what I thought he meant. Omgg now I realize you didn't. My bad. dead Ares6 you may be right about me being a closet pervert biggrin

Oh geez the topic title needs to be changed sson. He probably means "Do you read manga for enjoyment or are you deeply connected with the manga?" or something like that.

@stealth this is my fault I told him the topic title cause that's what I thought he wanted since KOV is a bit... Oh well it needs to be changed as it is right now it's asking if you
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masturbate
to manga or not. Sheesh eek eek shy

edit: Damn gir beat me to it while I was writing this Oh yeah Gir's topic title is better change it quick quick admins My pervertedness must remain hidden laugh

edit2: Dammit gir why does your post do my side of the story no justice. It was an honest mistake, comeon you can see how it looks like that's what he wants to say can't you ? ahhh foooey sad

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rafaelefucho
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well it seams I break my mamas rule

don't talk to strangers!

Thanks for the people who tried to help me.
Sorry for messing up
Can somebody tell me how I can change the title of this topicconfused

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You can't I already asked the admins in my post but the problem is most of the admins are in america and I don't know if they're nocturnal or not but I doubt any will be around now sad Just have to wait and hope not too many people see well my little snafu biggrin

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Ok we will wait until the admins read this.

please admins change my Topic to

"Why are some bad mangas so popular in the short run, and what causes certain good mangas to be so few?"

Or if you can fix it
my english sucks
so I can do to much with it.

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Quote from luisalirio84
...Dammit gir why does your post do my side of the story no justice. It was an honest mistake, comeon you can see how it looks like that's what he wants to say can't you ? ahhh foooey sad

It's all in good harassment.
The real victim is 14-year-old otakubaybay laugh

So.. Why do we embrace mediocre manga (Naruto, Dragonball)... Well, they are fun to read. But really, what makes a great manga anyway? Regardless, I imagine there isn't much "good" manga because it is a lot easier to write meaningless fluff that appeals to caveman-like instincts, than it is to write intelligent manga (easier to read too, so a single person will buy more).

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erm.... ummm.... enjoyment.... slam dunk.... self-pleasuring... o.o... confused ... o.o?

lol, those were the first things that caught on when i skimmed the post quickly xD. What a misleading topic lol

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Quote from SirGir
It's all in good harassment.
The real victim is 14-year-old otakubaybay laugh


Otakubaybay can't be called a victim: had the topic really been what it's title suggested, she would have read it anyway. And she does seem quite knowledgeable when it comes to the adult 18+ stuff... biggrin

As for why there isn't much "good" manga, well, I read manga for fun, mostly. When I want something deeper, I will rather go for a good novel, not comics. There's a lot of very good BD published in my country but it just isn't the right format for me.

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for me its also the finding of some unknown masterpiece that makes it fun and better to read. has to do with spoilers i guess. the most popular stuff is after all following the trend of fashion and is therefor spoiled by its predecessors. its marketing based indeed.
but i don't really mind. i just ignore the crap and read good stuff. biggrin
and yes, that is for my enjoyment and to pleasure myself. bigrazz

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Quote from Loupiotte
Quote from SirGir
It's all in good harassment.
The real victim is 14-year-old otakubaybay laugh


Otakubaybay can't be called a victim: had the topic really been what it's title suggested, she would have read it anyway. And she does seem quite knowledgeable when it comes to the adult 18+ stuff... biggrin

When I first read the topic, I was like "WTF?! Someone actually asked that?!" And then I wanted to know who would actually respond to it laugh Good job, luis bigrazz

Ah, you've caught me! eek ... laugh I do know too much, don't I? My mind is no longer as innocent as it was a year ago *sob* Oh well bigrazz It's Gravitation's fault for being so damn good and addicting me to yaoi!!! >.<

Oh, and rafaelefucho (is that right?), were you talking about a manga like Paradise Kiss? confused I might just not be getting what you're talking about at all here bigrazz I'm pretty sure I'm just totally off smile wink grin

I wrote this at 12:53 PM?! According to where?! Where I am it's about 6AM! biggrin

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Edited the thread's title with the one suggested by rafaelefucho...
(although I'm still not sure I get what that means...)

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Before starting to discuss why the good manga are so few shouldn't we define what is a good manga?
Anyway, it's just a matter of probability, everyones tastes is different, so in the end, among the thousand of mangas out there a few will be good enough for you. So it's normal that in the end, in everyones opinion, good mangas are rare, while bad ones are frequent. But on the other hand, I'm certain that what I call a good manga can be called an extremely bad manga by others.

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Because "good" is a relative term. And "good" mangas that have deep(er) plots are harder to get into and have more limited appeal than brainless entertainment stuff like Naruto, DBZ, Bleach, etc.

It's not really that Naruto and company are bad mangas, it's just that they don't have much in the way of a deep plot or character development. But this works for them, since when one plot line ends, they can just start on another one without worrying much about coherence or continuity. This allows them to last longer, and allows their appeal to grow more than shorter-lived mangas.

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......Okay. I think what you're trying to say is why are some mangas that aren't deep, meaningful etc.. so popular while more noteworthy ones remain unsung.

Well apparently the popular fad mangas just appeal to the majority more but like a pop tune with irritating but catchy rhythm and lyrics. ( you know that song you hate but can't get out of your head) But eventually it'll fade and they might or might not graduate onto bigger better things. bigrazz

"What causes certain good mangas to be so few?" True geniuses are few and far in between themselves, same with the ones who produce manga. Anyone can publish a book but only a hand full will become classical masterpieces.

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