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atem4yami
Post #507231 - Reply to (#507219) by cetrasephiroth
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I'm an atheist that was born from a family of Catholics.


Same here, did the whole church thing as a kid, first communion etc...
My grand parents are very religious, My parents semi religious, myself not so much anymore.

I'll talk religion with anyone if you want to have a logical discussion and not some kiddy conversation "oh its true cause the bible says so." I wont push you to change your ways, so I expect the same in return.

Actually, I'm LDS and wouldn't mind having a discussion with you. I enjoy learning about other people's religions and am quite firm in my own. I don't believe in forcing someone to change and ask for the same.
LDS stand for Latter-Day Saint, more commonly known as Mormon. No we are not the polygamist church that's been in the news. No true Mormon follows that bilge/crap/etc.

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I'm a nihilistic agnostic atheist.

But then, religion has never been all that important in my family. I just tend not to really think about it much.

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cetrasephiroth
Post #507233 - Reply to (#507231) by atem4yami
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Actually, I'm LDS and wouldn't mind having a discussion with you. I enjoy learning about other people's religions and am quite firm in my own. I don't believe in forcing someone to change and ask for the same.
LDS stand for Latter-Day Saint, more commonly known as Mormon. No we are not the polygamist church that's been in the news. No true Mormon follows that bilge/crap/etc.


LDS huh? Can't say I know much about that. But from my understanding its similar to Christianity in some respects?

Indeed I to like learning about new things/ideas.

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Post #507234 - Reply to (#507232) by Crau
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I'm a nihilistic agnostic atheist.

But then, religion has never been all that important in my family. I just tend not to really think about it much.


not entirely sure what your saying here.

Nihilistic? As in Nihilism - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism?

agnostic atheists meaning you don't believe in a god/gods, but don't deny the possibility that there could be a god/gods?

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At the moment I'm leaning toward the evidence suggesting the Earth was seeded by some advanced race or higher power.

The creation of the universe, seems a foregone conclusion given the properties of space and time.

as for what caused it to START, if you want to say god, I feel thats a cop-out. If god went and set up the laws of space time, fine but that seems to base. It feels like we don't have a complete enough picture to see the answer to that, doesn't mean the question is unanswerable and to chock it up to god.

One solution is space time expands and contracts with antimater beats the forces of gravity. it eventually condenses to a tiny point, likely folding space time in a new direction,

and alternate solution is maybe, similiar to the sun revolving around the earth, an expanding universe is a miscalculation due to a misinterpretation of space time.

things seem to be getting further away simply because the earth's galaxy is on that arm of a Galactic orbit that lasts longer than we have been looking. Which is what 60 years since Einstein guessed the universe maintained constant size, and we found it was expanding after experiments, since everything was moving away from us, that we can see.

all the science is barely 60 years old and changes every time we get a bigger telescope.

We really can't see a big enough picture to answer that question. as such is hard to state the universe had an origin point.

The Big bang theory was only predicted via Math. which if there are new factors in the equation (like Dark Matter) probably doesn't work out any more.

If the universe had no origin point, theres no sense debating what created it. it just is.

Which leaves the Wierdness: what should I be doing with the time I am alive. as people sometimes claim to need religion to stop themselves from Nihilistic killing sprees.

Which is something seriously derranged. if you cannot see right from wrong, the intrinsic good of something, perhaps purely from a human standpoint, then what?

Yeah such things have a tendancy of being deformed by personal excuses, on certain actions. But just because we can't be sure what right and wrong IS doesn't mean right and wrong don't exist in situations.

so I guess I have a belief that runs purely on the basis of right and wrong, do right and stop wrong. The planet was seeded in an attempt to determine right from wrong. and the universe was always there, the big bang is a mathematical answer due to ignoring Anti-matter due to not knowing of its existance.

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Post #507236 - Reply to (#507234) by cetrasephiroth
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not entirely sure what your saying here.

Nihilistic? As in Nihilism - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism?

agnostic atheists meaning you don't believe in a god/gods, but don't deny the possibility that there could be a god/gods?

Yeah, that's basically what I'm saying. I probably could have clarified, but I'm feelin' a little tired right now.

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Roman Catholic, born in a Catholic Country/Family went to a Catholic School and such.
There are a lot things that are wrong with my religion right now, but I still like it since it's more tolerant about some controversial stuff than other christian religions.
(Btw, if you believe in Jesus Christ, you're Christian, there are tons of diferent kind of Christians, Catholic is just another kind)

There where some religions I didn't even know they exist! (Like the one about google embarrassed)

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It teaches me everything I need to know in life laugh

i hope this is just a joke...


I'm not gonna lie, I've learned a lot about morals, and values from reading/watching manga/anime. Also I forgot to add I was a half-ass christian that became atheist. I tried, but just couldn't do it.


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I am an atheist, and I want to mention a theory of the formation of the universe that I believe adresses several issues raised in red255's argument. I've recently read several books describing a theory where there are an infinite number of parallel universes. The properties of space and time that allow for the existence of life in our universe would then be explained because these properties differ in each universe. Therefore, there would have to be universes where the properties allowed for life, though there are many more that are inhospitable. Meanwhile, scientists know that the universe is expanding because of the redshift that can be seen in the spectra of nearly every galaxy (gravity keeps the galaxies close to us from moving away from us so they aren't redshifted). Our position in our galaxy does not explain why galaxies in all directions are moving away from us. As for the idea that the universe has always existed, scientists are able to detect microwaves from all directions that originated at the same time, which suggests that the Big Bang produced them. So I believe in one of an infinite number of universes, but I'm not really sure what religion that would be.

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Awesomness and paper collide to create my religion!
MANGA! and every other picture story book !
jokes aside i'm 2 ignorant of the world to even begin to follow something i'm not well educated about.

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Post #507402 - Reply to (#476102) by warez413
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And if you are gonna say we are moral by nature then we are also destructive by nature.


There was a study where they asked children two questions:
1. Will you cheat on test, when your teacher allows you so?
Majority answered - yes.
2. Will you hit another student, if the teacher asked you to do it?
Majority answered - no.

Of course, you can easily say, its becouse of the upbringing, but I'll say differently.
"The teacher" in those two questions is the authority figure.
If morality was only instrumentaly supplied by upbringing, autority should be more than enough to release inner "demon" of children, but that doesn't happen.
Why? Becouse children, like every normal human (excluding psychopaths and sociopaths) are able to tell what possible outcome to the other person would his behavior bring.
Hitting a colegue will probably hurt him, and thats why children choose to not to do it.

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Some people say children who knows nothing are so cruel sometimes.


Yes they are, but not becouse they "don't know anything". It's becouse their brain may be structured
differently. It's said that many psychopaths walk in freedom, with they urges surpressed by law, and social order. Those children you are talking about may be from that group.
This group is also predicted, by the evolution of altruism. But I don't want to go deeper into the matter here.

Is destruction really a human nature?
Do you go home every day with urge to kill some innocent man or woman?
Is it just the upbringing that stop you from this action?
No, we're not destructive. If we were, we would probably die out millions years ago.
Our most important advantages were inteligence, and team work.
And you couldn't have good team work, when every team member wants to kill another.

When you say:
" Oh God, I did something wrong"

It's just your cognitive dissonance at work. biggrin

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First of all there are level of destructiveness. You don't have to go kill someone to be destructive. And second, there are no "Innocent" people. Everybody is guilty according to every beliefs. And you talk as if people aren't killing each other. The reason why we don't die out is we are smart enough to always stop at certain points that can wipe as out. Such as the Cold war.

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There may be a higher being of some sort. I don't think it can be proved or disproved. At the least, I hope there's something beyond death. That would make me agnostic, I suppose, since agnostic seems to cover the whole range between organized religion and atheism. Mostly, I don't think about it, except when I get into debates on religion, which can be rather fun as long as you're debating with a sensible, tolerant person.

Typical progression of religious (varieties of Christian) grandparents (one set of them in a bad, intolerant way, unfortunately)-->parents that believe in something (I think) but aren't too particular-->me. Honestly, (and please don't get offended) the particular mythologies of organized religions strike me as silly. Whichever way it is, if there is a higher being, I doubt they care if we worship them or follow a particular religion. That's a very human perspective. I would think that if anything it would be the larger concepts that cross religions that matter, such as kindness and tolerance.

I've actually been told before, when I was at a Christian riding camp (I only went to do horseback riding) that once you've been exposed to Christianity and don't choose to follow it thereafter, you will then go to hell roll eyes My own grandmother said to me (though I admittedly provoked her) that my sister and I would go to hell for not worshiping God. At any rate, my usual response to that is that if that's how God rolls, I want no part in his heaven. I'll live my life as best I can and let the afterlife (if there is one) take care of itself.

But if believing in a particular religion brings you comfort and emotional support, who am I to argue, so long as you don't force your beliefs on others.



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Buddhist

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I'm muslim and an arab too
well I'm not a devotee but i'm in the wrong but what can i do laziness is killing me
well and you can say i'm a rationalist and believe in science (because science is a system of beliefs, yes! ) but not in philosophical ideologies derived from science like darwinism (and not evolution! because evolution is a scientific theory backed by facts! at least for the time being)
I'm a perv that read hentai (because i thing that we have the freedom to sin otherwise why will we be judged at the end of times)

Hanae
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I'm a Roman Catholic, the kind that actually goes to church every Sunday and does most of the other stuff the Church says are supposed to be done (I clarify it because I know there are people who say they are Catholic but don't do any of this).
However, I'm not the kind who attends all these meetings and groups to talk about God (I accidentally went to one and these people were really weird), or tries to talk to strangers and convince them to become Christian (because it doesn't work, I think giving a good example is more effective).

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