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secretdesires
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7:34 pm, Jul 27 2009
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Well I like this manga, the art is good the characters are well drawn. Not the most original plot (it is a shoujo after all) but still good enough roll But one problem I have with this manga is the characters are soo irritating and despicable

That girl Izumi is such a misguided, calculating, pathetic bitch. At first I thought she was an ok girl but now I think that something is defiinitely wrong with her.
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Why reject him then go all out for his attention ???


Now for Jun, why is he soo fickle mad
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First he gives the impression that he likes Nene then he meets his 'first love' and suddenly he forgets Nene. Then he gets dumped and now he's fine with Nene when he obviously likes that bitch Izumi more. He's always giving in to Izumi like he doesn't have a girlfriend >:-( >:-( >:-(


Finally Nene,
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why would she want a boyfriend like that, someone so fickle and she needs to have some more confidence or just give up on being in love with Jun. She's just giving Izumi chances to steal Jun away


That was quite the rant biggrin, so what are your views on the manga and its characters

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11:23 am, Aug 26 2009
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I basically agree with you on everything you've said:

Izumi is the one who's more complicated to understand
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She's obviously not in love with Jun, or else she wouldn't have rejected him so easily, with a smile on her face. She wasn't in love with him when they were in elementary school as well. And she's started changing her mind after she saw Nene being really close to Jun. I have a theory, after reading ch 7, that Izumi identifies Jun with her father. Her parents divorced when she was in middle school and what if this happened because her father had another woman? Izumi knows what it feels like to be loved and cared by someone who then easily leaves when he finds someone "more important". Jun loved her but after he was rejected he seemed already very close with someone else. She wasn't able to keep her father by her side so she's desperately trying to keep Jun with her. And it was the idea of losing his attentions that made her turn so sneaky, when at the beginning she was very strong and similar in character with Nene


Jun is quite pathetic and weak.
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It's not always right to be too good-hearted when a girl is nice to you or asks for your help. It was quite selfish of him to agree to go out with Nene, while saying those things like "I'll go out with you but I still like her, so I'll probably hurt you". He gave all the decisions to Nene, like that issue was indifferent to him. I'm quite sure he was attracted to Nene from the start, because of her personality, while he loved Izumi mostly for her beauty and nothing else. So if he really cared about Nene, he would have rejected her, or he would pay attention not to be too close to Izumi. He looked sharp at the beginning regarding Nene's problems but he's not able to see that Izumi is "hitting on him" and psichologically bullying his girlfriend. In the last chapters I got the feeling he doesn't love Izumi that much, but she'll always be perfect and flawless to him, so that's why he can't find any faults in her no matter what she does or who she hurts. If something happens (like in ch 7) he wants to be the only one to blame. He really has a serious case of "knight in shining armour" syndrome.


As for Nene
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she's fated to have a serious breakdown if she keeps up the act. I liked her character at the beginning, but her being tough and strong is partly just a fake, as much as it was for Izumi. She's the typical example of a girl who builds a barrier around her because she doesn't want to be hurt. Sometimes she's brave, like when he told Jun to choose her, sometimes she's really weak, especially regarding what Izumi does. The girl did some horrible things, like sneaking in Jun's bed, and she still says it's ok, nothing really important happened, with a forced smile that's impossible not to notice. It looks like she doesn't want to attack Izumi in front of Jun because she fears that then he won't believe her, her ruining Izumi's perfect image, and will leave her, and she's fine as long as he's with her,as long as he doesn't clearly end their relationship. But at the same time she hates seeing Izumi manipulating Jun, so she's hesitant to let him go.
She's really a nice girl but did something really stupid when she asked Jun to go out with her. She lacks self-confidence and some self-respect. I'm sure that if she didn't stick so close to Jun then Izumi would have been tired soon of her tricks. If she had waited a little more they could have started a relationship without Izumi interfering. I hope she's the one who gets the happy ending, even with another guy


My rant was even longer biggrin

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1:32 pm, Oct 20 2009
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I agree with both of you - Izumi is messed up, but at least I can imagine that some serious psychological scarring from her childhood might have resulted in her bizarre behavior. I'm not saying it's excusable, I'm just saying at least it's not completely psychopathic. Lol. With years of therapy she might eventually become an okay person. She's what Nene might have been had Nene been brought up differently.

But there's no excuse for Jun's behavior at all. He's not a villain, and he's a "good guy" in a way, but he doesn't understand that you have to draw boundaries with people or that "goodness" can become its own kind of cruelty and callousness. He's the kind of guy that might end up having an affair; you can't trust people like that. And I actually think that Izumi's point about him potentially having an affair was absolutely correct - that's the one thing I agree with Izumi about, lol. In fact...
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... the reason she equates Jun with her father is because her father was also a cheater (probably a "good guy" who gets "led astray" type of cheater), and in a weird twisted way she recognizes those same weaknesses in Jun...


I feel sorry for Nene and then again I don't; I think that she's strong enough that eventually she'll realize that Jun's bad news and will leave him - only after being hurt many times, but she'll leave him and find someone better eventually. As for being hurt many times - that's just how people grow up. Part of growing up is realizing which people are good for you and which people aren't. She hasn't quite figured that out yet, because Jun seems to be a good guy in so many ways... But he isn't a good guy in the most important way (being capable of commitment). Some teenagers have the sense to choose properly, but most don't; Nene is just a typical teenager and a good-hearted, honest girl that's going to learn things the hard way, like all of us do. She will learn, though. One day.

Eventually, I'm sure she'll find someone worthy of her and will settle down with that person and become an even stronger and happier person for life. But that person she finally ends up with won't be Jun! I agree with Jun's dark-haired friend who is interested in Nene; I think his sort of morally-grounded personality would be much better for Nene in the long run. Nene just has to realize this herself.

Lol. That's my rant! Isn't it great keeping each other company in sympathetic rants? laugh

What I can't stand about this manga is that I can't rate it at more than a 6/10, but it's so gripping that I couldn't stop reading it anyway... Damn the mangaka's awesome artistic and story-telling skills! Not to mention my addiction to angst. Sigh.

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