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Thoughts about Casca and the "possible" ending

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Ok... well I was pretty harsh on Casca before, but I think I may have just been venting a little too much. I still believe that even if she does get her memory back she'll betray Gats and the crew to go to Griffith, but that's not for a very long time from now[with the way this author works]. I just started Volume 24 so I'm not a hundred percent on these, but they could be true based on what I have seen from the characters so far.

Casca is not in love with Gats... She was using him as a way to get over Griffith. She may have cared for him as a little more than a comrade in arms, but she certainly never had any intention of going with him when left the group again. She may have thought about it since she knew it would difficult to see Griffith with some one else[the princess for example], but she was really never seriously considering it. Everything she was doing with Gats can used to prove my theory, it was almost as if she was trying to hard to forget him. She seemed to be over compensating for the pain she was feeling in her heart for knowing that Griffith would never fully accept her like she wanted.

Gats was merely the crying pillow.

That said it's also true that she enjoyed the supposed "rape" at the hands of Femto[Griffith]. You can see it on her face and in her actions as they are doing it[I don't think rape victims kiss their rapers as passionately as she was kissing him or caress their attackers the way she caressing him]. She continuously said to not look because she was embarrassed to be seen while having sex like that.

Again, more proof that she never truly cared for Gats.

Now on to the memory loss itself. I feel it's a combination of trauma and spell or curse that Griffith placed on her while have sex with her. Griffith had to have done something to her since she's different than Gats is. At night the creatures don't really attack her so much and this can be proven in the fact that she survived for an entire month by herself without being killed by the creatures of the night. Also at the tower the creatures that appeared in the Iron Maiden and attacked the Inquisitors seemed to revere her as a Queen, savagely protecting and engulfing her to keep her safe. It's almost like by having sex with Griffith she has been acknowledged as his Queen as such is meant to be protected. Of course the lowly creatures of the night will still attack since they don't recognize her, but she is protected by more powerful creatures. Also it seems that she wasn't really getting attacked by creatures until she started traveling with Gats. There is something very different about her and I feel it has to do with her and Griffiths relationship.

Because of Casca's "memory loss" she's seems more child-like and broken. I believe this is also one of the reasons that she seems to recognize Griffith. Maybe she didn't recognize him, but became enthralled in his presence like everyone else did. It's obvious that Griffith still very much cares for Casca[since he saved her from falling rocks at Goto's place, and Zodd seemed to be preventing Gats from interfering with their reunion]. Casca obviously never forgot the love she had for him, but the look on her face at Goto's seemed more like a believer looking at the face of their God. She seems to remember the reverence she had for him, and that's the feeling that eventually turned to love before all of this happened. It's a shame but really not all that unpredictable... Casca will betray the group and probably die by the hands of one of her "friends" at the end of the story.

--- End of the Story -----

My prediction of the end of the story is really simple. Casca will undoubtly do something to decieve the group and she'll running/allow herself to be taken to Griffith. She will probably copulate[have sex, if you don't know] with him and then she'll become something like his right hand, next to Zodd of course. Gats will, of course, try to "save" her fro Griffith[never understood this part... She left freely and even tried to stop you from following her... Why chase after her like she was taken?]. Finally Gats will fight his way to Griffith killing Zodd in the process and Franesse or someone like he will fight with Casca. During which time Gats and Diffith will have their EPIC battle and in the end Gats will kill him. Casca, distracted briefly from Griffith's death, will be killed by her fighter... Most likely Farnesse. Gats will grieve and cry then bury her and disappear.

------ End of Prediction ------

Truthfully, the only shot Gats has to be with Casca romantically is if he is able to win her over while she doesn't remember anything and when she does get her memories back they some how "meld" with her current memories. If that's the case then Gats might be able to get a big enough place in her heart to overcome her need for Griffith. Hopefully enough to make her stay with him.

This seems unlikely, but it's Gats best and only chance to be happy with Casca.

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if you read carefully it's the contrary. She was not in love with Griffith, she was in love with the charisma Griffith had. Just like Gats, who was in love with his charisma too.

edit: if you read well too, when they go to save Griffith, you can see she isn't in love with Griffith but with Gats, and that is why Griffith is angry and goes on to become a death hand deity, and (maybe) rape Caska in front of Gats.

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if you read carefully it's the contrary. She was not in love with Griffith, she was in love with the charisma Griffith had. Just like Gats, who was in love with his charisma too.

edit: if you read well too, when they go to save Griffith, you can see she isn't in love with Griffith but with Gats, and that is why Griffith is angry and goes on to become a death hand deity, and (maybe) rape Caska in front of Gats.


His Charisma is what she fell in love with, but it's still love all the same. She loves him... It was clearly described in the story before Gats left. Gats just managed to get a little closer to her heart, but not enough to count as love.

Also, if your referring to the few times that she actually seemed to care for Gats during the expedition then I can easily say that she was simply trying really hard to convince herself that Gats was who she loved not Griffith. Yet then again she also chose Griffith whenever it turned into a choice between the two.

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This really isn't relevant to the topic but what I would ike to say is, does this author ever want to finish this manga? How can his editore and the magazine give him so much slack?

And I also think that once Casca recovers her memories, she is going to go over to Griffith's side and the only chance Gatts had of keeping her to him was if their child survived and if he managed to get close enough to Casca in her mad state vut as we have seen so far, Casca is scared of Gatts and doesn't even recognise him while she seemed to kind of recognise Griffith and had that reverant look in her eyes when she saw him. I wish Gatts would just end up with Farnesse, she loves him too. But I have to disagree with your version of prediction of an ending as I see Gatts dying while Griffith once again turns back into the noble and proud human he once used to be with Casca at his side.
But I won't say that Casca never loved Gatts, its just that this love wasn't as big as her love for Griffith.

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And I also think that once Casca recovers her memories, she is going to go over to Griffith's side and the only chance Gatts had of keeping her to him was if their child survived and if he managed to get close enough to Casca in her mad state vut as we have seen so far, Casca is scared of Gatts and doesn't even recognise him while she seemed to kind of recognise Griffith and had that reverant look in her eyes when she saw him. I wish Gatts would just end up with Farnesse, she loves him too. But I have to disagree with your version of prediction of an ending as I see Gatts dying while Griffith once again turns back into the noble and proud human he once used to be with Casca at his side.
But I won't say that Casca never loved Gatts, its just that this love wasn't as big as her love for Griffith.



You know after finishing the current chapters I have to say that I believe she doesn't remember Griffith. I think she just sees him in the light as every one else does. He's like a God to everyone and she seems to be taken to him like as well. Most likely this is because of her child like state at the moment. Griffith seems to have the power of absolute reverence now... Every one sees him as some kind of God.

I still feel that she'll go to him first chance she has, but I believe she doesn't love him romantically[though she might mistake it for that]. She loves him like a follower loves their God.

Addition to the ending:
I believe that Griffith will kill at least 3 of the four God Hands in his pursuit of his Kingdom.

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just a quick reminder about the chapters, when reading it , the parts about grifith saving casca was because he took over the body of her baby , and thats the whole protection thing , and the whole deal with the moonchild baby thing,

in other words, even though grifith is a god, but he is in the body of the child of gats and casca, which makes it bitter sweet to kill grifith , and i know when they kill him , they will just release girfith from the new body to his full form as femto .

and when they do . thats when the final chapter will start.

to my thinking:

casca will regain her memory and start crying because all the emotioons will start flodding towards her since alot has happened to her.
she will for sure betray guts and go to grifith , and to be thrown away by him in the process, because grifith only acknowledges people equally powerful in his presence,

the story should end on a clif hanger, like when everything goes towards normal and all ends well .

you will see casca and guts kid finaly to re apear and be in their arms, making everyone wonder is famto back or not biggrin

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everyone will die except for casa who will be with child... but it will be a toss up between gatts and griffth as to who the father is... either way we will see a evil aura coming form her stomach in one of the last scenes... and we wont know who she loves till the author tells us...

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To the threadmaker:

I like your theory and overall it seems highly plausible, but there's just one thing nagging me about this. Sure you've got all the major characters in the series in there, but where would all the other God Hands be in all of this? I mean sure, maybe they wouldn't even give a da** about Griffith or Guts and be minding their own business, but as the story of Berserk has progressed I think some of them might actually have started to take a liking to Guts, watching him struggle and fight, still being "only" human. For instance you have the whole cave-episode with Slan where she appears in the human realm just to "greet" Guts in her own way... Before The Skull Knight appears out of nowhere and creates a mess like he always does. Speaking of which, I don't think The Skull Knight would be sitting on a sidebench watching quietly while this "final battle" of epic proportions would be taking place either. No. A real ending would be placed AFTER all The God Hands have been slayed by Guts, AFTER his armor has worn him down to become a new Skull Knight, and AFTER something has happened to the current Skull Knight. Either way this is all just speculation, and I'm just rambling here, but I do agree with the main part of your theory and the whole Casca leaving --> Casca Vs. Farnese thing. smile


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I lol'd at the these statements.

Without doubt, firestalker, you need to re-read the manga from scratch again. You don't even have a clue about Berserk which is clearly demonstrated from your statements.

Casca loves Griffith? HUH?! Did you like read only the first 20 chapters or something? She clearly states she loves Guts and she never actually loved Griffith. Yes, she adored him and he was her savior but she never loved him romantically. The manga clearly states so yet you try to contradict it? Geez, talk about nerdrage.

Casca enjoyed the rape? Are you 12-years-old or something? How exactly did she enjoy the rape? She even unconsciously sealed her memories away from the trauma of the rape and the loss of her friends + Griffith's betrayal.

If Casca ever goes by Griffith's side, it's because he was reincarnated in human form using Casca and Guts child. A mother will obviously long for her son.

Anyway, you either suffer from selective reading, where you extract information pertinent to your own arguments or you clearly have never read Berserk.

Then again, disillusioned Otaku nerds who can't distinguish fantasy from reality tend to rant about female characters not living up to their expectations.


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Well I hope your version of Casca not enjoying the rape is correct.
Cause the Drawings frankly didn't convinve me.
It looked like either she had given in to lust or she was somewhat controlled mentally by Femto or she had just given up.



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Well I hope your version of Casca not enjoying the rape is correct.
Cause the Drawings frankly didn't convinve me.
It looked like either she had given in to lust or she was somewhat controlled mentally by Femto or she had just given up.



Of course she did NOT enjoy it. Besides, did you expect her to remain static while she was being raped? Did you forget she was pregnant? Pregnancy increases your sexual hormones.

All the women who had been raped in the manga pretty much had the same reaction but that doesn't mean they enjoyed it mentally and Casca got damaged mentally and physically because of it. She WAS raped by a monster after all, not a human.

I just have to say one thing though; Casca is very vulnerable to rape. I can't count how many times they attempted to rape her in the manga that I got used to it.

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I lol'd at the these statements.

Without doubt, firestalker, you need to re-read the manga from scratch again. You don't even have a clue about Berserk which is clearly demonstrated from your statements.

Casca loves Griffith? HUH?! Did you like read only the first 20 chapters or something? She clearly states she loves Guts and she never actually loved Griffith. Yes, she adored him and he was her savior but she never loved him romantically. The manga clearly states so yet you try to contradict it? Geez, talk about nerdrage.

Casca enjoyed the rape? Are you 12-years-old or something? How exactly did she enjoy the rape? She even unconsciously sealed her memories away from the trauma of the rape and the loss of her friends + Griffith's betrayal.

If Casca ever goes by Griffith's side, it's because he was reincarnated in human form using Casca and Guts child. A mother will obviously long for her son.

Anyway, you either suffer from selective reading, where you extract information pertinent to your own arguments or you clearly have never read Berserk.

Then again, disillusioned Otaku nerds who can't distinguish fantasy from reality tend to rant about female characters not living up to their expectations.


Umm that's a little harsh... Don't you think? I thought I was was pretty good about stating where I got my theories from[though I admit some were conjecture]. I may have thoughts and opinions about the manga I read, but I don't think makes me a "disillusioned otaku" or "12-years-old" or means I'm suffering from "nerdrage" and I don't really think it was necessary to say all that. Everyone else in this thread has debated and conversed about the subject while NOT resorting to insults and remarks like you have.

I would try to at least follow their example a little.

I have read Berserk from beginning to end and I have read the "Rape" scene at least 3 times and though she seems to be lost in lust and thus enjoying the pleasure, Femto was the one that seemed to be guiding her body into doing stuff[kissing and positions as such].

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Well I hope your version of Casca not enjoying the rape is correct.
Cause the Drawings frankly didn't convinve me.
It looked like either she had given in to lust or she was somewhat controlled mentally by Femto or she had just given up.

Even though she said she loved Guts she still chose Griffith in the end. Just before he managed to run away and before the massacre that turned him into a God-Hand, Casca told Guts that she COULDN'T go with him because she had to stay with Griffith. This was a personal choice to stay with Griffith as opposed to going with the man she said she loved. There were plenty of people to help him and nurse him back to health, but she felt she needed to stay with him. So, yes, she chose Griffith over Guts in the end.






Thank you Nashnir.... That's what I was trying to say. She LOOKED like she was enjoying it. Hell she was unconscious when it started and by the time she woke up she seemed to be completely unable to control herself and looked like she was really starting to get into it.

The drawings are what made me think that.

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Are you implying she should have screamed or resisted a little when she obviously lost all her friends minutes before and all those demons she probably never saw in her life beside her while Guts was painfully watching her getting raped?

There's a reason why she sealed her memories away, because she gave up hope of living. She probably thought that even Guts would die that night, she lost all her hope for living.

Besides, we all know Griffith's power as Femto and how he is able to simply manipulate people to his will. What you're implying here is that Casca enjoyed it and she could careless about Guts and all her friends that died that night. If you wanted to state otherwise, then you really used the bad words for it.

And I know what I'm saying, since I re-read Berserk again and finished it hours ago. I'm still fresh.

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Are you implying she should have screamed or resisted a little when she obviously lost all her friends minutes before and all those demons she probably never saw in her life beside her while Guts was painfully watching her getting raped?

There's a reason why she sealed her memories away, because she gave up hope of living. She probably thought that even Guts would die that night, she lost all her hope for living.

Besides, we all know Griffith's power as Femto and how he is able to simply manipulate people to his will. What you're implying here is that Casca enjoyed it and she could careless about Guts and all her friends that died that night. If you wanted to state otherwise, then you really used the bad words for it.

And I know what I'm saying, since I re-read Berserk again and finished it hours ago. I'm still fresh.


All of that is true.... About her friends and the demons... Maybe enjoyed is not the right word, but definitely went along with. She really seemed to be lost in lust. Even with all that was going on she still had the presence of mind to tell Guts to "not look". She was still completely aware that she was being raped by a creature that looked kind like Griffith when he wears his armor. She may not have enjoyed it like a normal person enjoying sex, but she was getting into it and losing herself to pleasure. She didn't close off her mind until it was all said and done. Some thing inside her locked up while she was unconscious, that's why she woke up in the state she was in.

I don't really remember stating that she didn't care about Guts at all. I remember saying that she doesn't love him in the way that people seem to think she should. She cared very much for her comrades and Guts, but Griffith was always the fore-most person in her mind. Losing all your friends in front of your face can be damaging, but this is a person that has been in countless battles and has not only killed numerous people, but also watched countless comrades die in front her. She was also in a state of shock, but still able to voice her restraint about being watched by Guts during the "Rape". She was well within her right mind when it was going on and could have struggled a lot more.

The drawings to me suggest that she was lost in the lust of moment and just went along with it.

Femto doesn't really control people with a power per say. He more emits a kind of aura that makes people want to do things for him. Maybe he did cast some kind of spell on her in order for her to be that way, but it's very unlikely since Femto wanted to hurt Casca as much as he wanted to hurt Guts. Casting a spell like that would negate the revenge he was going for.

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Sorry but, the second you said "she enjoyed the rape" and "she fell into lust" makes your argument less credible each time. You're getting the wrong idea by the images. You got confused by the "ah" and "hnn" for pleasure. It looked like a pretty realistic rape to me, maybe you're reading too much H-manga, hmm?

She knew it was Griffith, because she called out his name and then regained her conciousness and saw Guts struggling to try and run to her. She started crying and tried to tell Griffith to stop but with no vail. Sometime during the rape Casca just had no will to leave anymore and she locked her mind not AFTER the rape but DURING it.

Did you watch the anime by the way? Yeah, she was clearly enjoying it..../sarcasm.

Anyway, since you're pretty much the first time I've ever heard saying she enjoyed it but whatever, all I gotta say if you can't accept this or you're just in denial because Casca made out with someone other than Guts...is...I'd probably enjoy it too if I was raped. roll eyes

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