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Post #343736 - Reply to (#343731) by GodOfMadness
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Sorry but, the second you said "she enjoyed the rape" and "she fell into lust" makes your argument less credible each time. You're getting the wrong idea by the images. You got confused by the "ah" and "hnn" for pleasure. It looked like a pretty realistic rape to me, maybe you're reading too much H-manga, hmm?

She knew it was Griffith, because she called out his name and then regained her conciousness and saw Guts struggling to try and run to her. She started crying and tried to tell Griffith to stop but with no vail. Sometime during the rape Casca just had no will to leave anymore and she locked her mind not AFTER the rape but DURING it.

Did you watch the anime by the way? Yeah, she was clearly enjoying it..../sarcasm.

Anyway, since you're pretty much the first time I've ever heard saying she enjoyed it but whatever, all I gotta say if you can't accept this or you're just in denial because Casca made out with someone other than Guts...is...I'd probably enjoy it too if I was raped. roll eyes


I'm a little upset that you feel the need to talk down to me and use sarcasm to make a point. I was stating my opinion and interpretation of the drawing and the scene in question. You have a differing view and I respect that, but you seem to feel the need to make me out to be an idiot for have the views I have.

I don't like the H-manga with rape in them, their too disturbing for me. But I can tell you that the scene I saw in Berserk was very similar in both drawing and execution to them.

What about the statements "She enjoyed the rape" and "she fell into lust" makes my observations less credible? They are my observations of the scene and they are used to describe what I saw, not prove a point like you seem to think they are. I'm not in an argument with anyone[except you at the moment]. I stated my views and the evidence I saw to collaborate those views, I have even changed the views as I went a long as I found not only new observations but also people pointing out certain things. They have always presented their views without belittle me or other people and as such it's easier to talk to them.

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I don't really remember stating that she didn't care about Guts at all.


Oh really...

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Again, more proof that she never truly cared for Gats.


You're contradicting yourself, so we can't really have an argument here.

I'll add one thing though; people don't have control over their bodies. While Casca may have had an orgasm during the rape scene(no proof on this either), people can't control their bodies no matter what (I'm going by your argument here).

She never enjoyed a thing since she pretty much passed out before the rape scene and during it and I don't think someone who's crying it is enjoying it. Anyway, I think that was the most powerful scene of the story and while I feel sorry for her for being raped, I'm glad she did since it really adds substance to the story.

I can't really find faults in this series except the long periods of releases. And there's a rumor floating around about a continuation of the anime since I've seen some pictures.

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I don't really remember stating that she didn't care about Guts at all.


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Again, more proof that she never truly cared for Gats.


You're contradicting yourself, so we can't really have an argument here.

I'll add one thing though; people don't have control over their bodies. While Casca may have had an orgasm during the rape scene(no proof on this either), people can't control their bodies no matter what (I'm going by your argument here).

She never enjoyed a thing since she pretty much passed out before the rape scene and during it and I don't think someone who's crying it is enjoying it. Anyway, I think that was the most powerful scene of the story and while I feel sorry for her for being raped, I'm glad she did since it really adds substance to the story.

I can't really find faults in this series except the long periods of releases. And there's a rumor floating around about a continuation of the anime since I've seen some pictures.


So I stand corrected... but, umm, where was that quote taken from? I was reading my comments and I haven't seen that line.

I retract my previous statement about not saying that, but it still doesn't negate all the comments and statements I've said.

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So I stand corrected... but, umm, where was that quote taken from? I was reading my comments and I haven't seen that line.


Are you serious? The two lines from your first post which stand out the most are clearly....

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Gats was merely the crying pillow


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Again, more proof that she never truly cared for Gats.




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Sorry but, the second you said "she enjoyed the rape" and "she fell into lust" makes your argument less credible each time.

lol

So you are saying our opinions are pointless rant ? Just because others say it was rape we still don't know Caska's opinion.
Also there is no info saying that she didn't enjoy it.
The only small pointer is that Skull Knight says she might not want her memories back which can still go either way.
If you want a Dark interpretation then I would say : She could not get Griffith so she chose to satisfy herself with Gutts. But when Griffith became Femto she was a little joyed even in that situation cause she she calls Femto Griffith even when it rapes her.
Also in the Manga she wraps her hand around Femto and openly gives out her tongue to the kiss.
The only memories she might not want is all of her friends dying.

The reason why I hate Anime is that it depends on the interpretation of the Studio doing it and also it leaves out much from the imagination point of view.

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If you want a Dark interpretation then I would say : She could not get Griffith so she chose to satisfy herself with Gutts. But when Griffith became Femto she was a little joyed even in that situation cause she she calls Femto Griffith even when it rapes her.


That could be true; but we all know Kentaro Miura isn't such a pathetic loser sorry excuse of a writer that would come up with such a pathetic idea. I'm sure he'll come up with something more plausible then something even an elementary school kid could come up with, don't you think so, hmm?

But yeah, since I don't want to talk about interpretations but facts, I suppose I can stop posting now. I've made my point crystal clear. laugh

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The only point I saw in this entire thread was that it could swing either ways as there is no fact supporting any point of view.
RL facts on rape etc don't apply here so all people can do atm is speculate till Miura's consoles get seized and he decides to continue Berserk after Rehab or after he gets a girl embarrassed

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The only point I saw in this entire thread was that it could swing either ways as there is no fact supporting any point of view.
RL facts on rape etc don't apply here so all people can do atm is speculate till Miura's consoles get seized and he decides to continue Berserk after Rehab or after he gets a girl embarrassed


I agree with you, and I personally believe she enjoyed it and that deep kiss was proof, but it can easily mean that she didnt enjoy it, its all how you interpret it. I also think Casca really was using Gatts as a rebound sorta guy for Griffith after Griffith chose the princess.


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I wonder what would have happened if that damned skull knight arrived earlier.

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I don't think I understand the concept of "enjoying rape", but it seemingly exists in fictional world. At first it was very disturbing for me (it sort of still is), Griffith's rape of Casca was portrayed in a way that could be confused with consensual sex. The lack of fight in her could be due to resignation because she'd lost all hope, as previously suggested. Yet the details like the way she kissed Griffith requires more explanation. Maybe it was her longing for him that made her do it, or it could be Griffith's ability of bending one's willpower (The latter seems more likely to me, considering he appeared to want Guts to see his violating Casca, it would only make sense if he wanted to add another level to Guts' hurt by pushing him to think that the one, Casca truly loved, was him (Griffith).), perhaps it was a combination of both. She looked drugged and limp even before Griffith took over, if indeed she was lost in lust, I would lose a lot of respect for the manga/mangaka.

On a related note, even in the state she was in (for whatever reason), she still didn't want Guts to witness what was happening. It might not count for much for some, but it speaks volumes for me about how much she cares for him. Also, I think, in her post-traumatic condition the foremost reason she wants to distance herself from Guts is her subconscious guilt (which, in my opinion, she shouldn't feel) triggered by pushed away memories.

I'm surprised at how many people think, once she regains her memory, Casca will take side with Griffith. I've aways thought, if they ever managed to defeat him, she would have an important role in it. Maybe she could somehow free her child from him. Or would it be that Guts would free Griffith from Femto? eek (lol I don't make sense anymore)

Only thing, I want for Casca right now, is for her to get over this never-ending weak and clueless state and get back to her old self. I don't even care if she puts her loyalties with Griffith after that.

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I don't think I understand the concept of "enjoying rape", but it seemingly exists in fictional world. At first it was very disturbing for me (it sort of still is), Griffith's rape of Casca was portrayed in a way that could be confused with consensual sex. The lack of fight in her could be due to resignation because she'd lost all hope, as previously suggested. Yet the details like the way she kissed Griffith requires more explanation. Maybe it was her longing for him that made her do it, or it could be Griffith's ability of bending one's willpower (The latter seems more likely to me, considering he appeared to want Guts to see his violating Casca, it would only make sense if he wanted to add another level to Guts' hurt by pushing him to think that the one, Casca truly loved, was him (Griffith).), perhaps it was a combination of both. She looked drugged and limp even before Griffith took over, if indeed she was lost in lust, I would lose a lot of respect for the manga/mangaka.

On a related note, even in the state she was in (for whatever reason), she still didn't want Guts to witness what was happening. It might not count for much for some, but it speaks volumes for me about how much she cares for him. Also, I think, in her post-traumatic condition the foremost reason she wants to distance herself from Guts is her subconscious guilt (which, in my opinion, she shouldn't feel) triggered by pushed away memories.

I'm surprised at how many people think, once she regains her memory, Casca will take side with Griffith. I've aways thought, if they ever managed to defeat him, she would have an important role in it. Maybe she could somehow free her child from him. Or would it be that Guts would free Griffith from Femto? eek (lol I don't make sense anymore)

Only thing, I want for Casca right now, is for her to get over this never-ending weak and clueless state and get back to her old self. I don't even care if she puts her loyalties with Griffith after that.


This post makes a lot of sense and I agree with most, if not all, of it.

Even the part about Casca regaining her memories at the end. She really needs to get back to her strong and independent self. I liked her character a lot more when she was so weak and child like.

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I´m not a fan of reviving topics, yet I just gotta add my 2cents on this one><
About the "possible ending" I think it will be most likely something like the majoity wrote (Casca joining Griffith and Guts fighting her as well or Casca dying in a terrible way in front of Guts). Why you ask? Well this is Berserk...the most tragic Manga ever written...I can´t see the Author giving us a "happy end" (Though I really pray for something that can be called a "happy end" my greatest "fear" is that it will be the most tragic thing a human mind can make up x 1billion XD).
On another note:
About the chapter where Casca runs to Griffith when she saw him in his human body...to me it seemed like she recognized her child and not that she thought "OMFG Griffith!! gotta dryhump!!". So I have to disagree on that whole "she never cared for Guts" thing.
Another thing which "proves" the point of Casca caring about Guts is the Game. YES! The Game! (The story of it was written by Miura himself as far as the Booklet says so don´t go "It has nothing to do with the REAL Berserk") .
Anyways Here´s the Scene that "proves" my point :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBuQ6dVwe0o&feature= related I know this is english and it COULD be a wrong translation but the whole atmosphere of that cutscene kind of makes me believe the translation is more or less correct^^

Btw if you haven´t played the game till now then DO IT! it´s really great^^
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I think that Casca will join Griffith because the author seems intent on making the worst possible thing happen to guts rather then good storytelling or the way that the plot is developing.

Still in regards to the rape scene I thought that the fact that she was clearly saying no the whole time and crying shows that she was not enjoying it and as far as the kissing goes it was forced (its not like she could move). Also when she tells Guts sorry I believe that she was blaming herself for what happened to him (a common occurrence with rape victims)

Hopefully however the author sops trying to put guts through hell and develop the story properly. It would be nice to see an ending that wasn't entirely ******.

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I think that you guys are right that after Casca regains her memories she'll go to Griffith but i don't see that happening any time soon and i mean i can't see how she'll end up in Falconia (sorry if i spelled it wrong) unless Zod brings her there but as for the Griffith and the child thing i didn't really notice it before but i also think that Casca only noticed that he was the child because she was in her child like state

And as for the rape thing i have to admit that i think it can go ether way but after i read it i personally think she enjoyed it but i could have been wrong and i also think if you look at it from Guts point of view he wouldn't be looking at Casca but at Griffith and would be wanting to kill him in sheer rage

And on a side note the rape scene had to be the best scene to me because that was when i started to really like Berserk i mean i didn't like it all that much before that but after that the manga just got better and better

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Are we reading the same manga here?
First off, I just want to say that I have no idea what Casca will do when, if, she regains her memories.
Second, the rape scene, I thought it was obvious she was out of her mind by the time Griffith got to her.
Third, and the biggest point I have to make, she is only attracted to the current Griffith because he is her child, in a way.
Did we forget that he was reborn in the body of Casca's, and Gats's, child? She always wanted to hold her child but never got the chance. And the only reason that Griffith saved her from those falling rocks, is because his body, the body of her child, has always wanted to protect her. Not because he cares for her. He never did. The only person he ever cared for was Gats. Rememeber how he said Gats was the only person who ever made him forget his dream?
With his new body he can't hurt Casca, and I think that that just might be one of the things that really hurt him in the future.
Also, I believe that Casca did really care for Gats. She just had a big sense of responsibility, unfortunately.

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