1. When a character must shout out every move they execute, and also explain it right in front of their own enemy(s). The mangaka could just add an invisible narrator for that kind of job.

2. When the mangaka takes something from real life and makes it so incredible that I don't know if I should laugh at the stupidity or just cry. Especially things that I've experienced myself before. Which is the reason why I don't read sports related mangas...

When a charachter says: "This is not some manga", this of course does happen elsewhere, but that joke is just so used an cheesy.

I really hate that the hero is a little brat and, somehow, he gets a super weapon, tecnic or someting and beat the bad guys. And that the hero lost his parents when he was young OR his parents are never seen in te entire series (wtf happens with the japanese families? I only remember 1 or 2 manga that the father actualy existed an had a name and still he apear like 1 o 2 times per volume at most) And that the Girls ar all loli or are all gorgeus (I admit that is sexy, but lack reality and all are too similar, with a por spectre of personalities and almost no background)

But something that is lacking lately in manga too, is a new inovative history for the bad guys, it is always "vengace for something stupid" or "beacuse he simpy is bad" and "beacuse he was an orphan or he was left alone", the bad guys are simply plane, they need to be really bad! kill without warnings, more cruel and efective but racional. I liked for example zero of Geas, but it still was cliche and lacked some explanations, and still there was a powerup (the witch )

I never see fat girls in manga, unless they're meant to have a side role.
I don't remember fat leads at all...

That they have signature moves and always have to say it and it's some mythical mumbo jumbo usually.

Kinda like Naruto; with Sasuke being able to kill a Sannin and defeat Diedra, another S-class Ninja. And Naruto not being to able to defeat Kakashi at all, even with the help of Sakura. Though at the rate Sasuke's going, I'd hope that Sasuke lops of Naruto's head by the end of the manga. I mean I like my protagonists, but Naruto's just an emotional sap that really needs to die.

As far as the worst Shounen Cliche? Well the obscurity of the story. For example the manga Spiral. It, throughout the entire manga (this is prior to Spiral Alive's release of Vol. 1), talks about the "Blade Children" but it tells you jack sh*t about them. Not even a fuggin' clue as to who or what they are. Nothing. And then the manga ends, and you still don't know who or what they are.

what I hate most is when the main character has some imba power inside of him, but allways holds back in fights because he doesn't want the power to take control over him. (like in bleach, naruto, berserk...)
It seems like most of the long shounen titles come to this point after some time...

In Berserk Guts never had an unimaginable power and he never held back, I don't know where you got that idea. But Naruto yeah.

Ugh, when there is a character who is a semi-main character. Someone that everyone loves or hates or is just there, dies... they ALWAYS come back. No matter what. When it seems like a depressing and angsty death, they'll come back in some miraculous and impossible way just in the nick of time to save the day or something pathetic like that.

I also hate how, no matter how big the fight, the injuries always heal in less then a day or so. And whenever the character is at his/her most weak point, that's when the strongest villain will strike and the hero will, of course, win, despite everything.

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Yeah, it's annoying when that happens. Rurouni Kenshin and Inuyasha go on that list too.

I think it's most absurd when the characters themselves say that they're fat or chubby and they're skinny enough to make a Bratz doll jealous. It's sad D=

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this next cliche is so frequent that I think it has become a law in the manga/anime world..one who transforms first shall taste defeat against the superior powerup of the enemy... I mean isn't it like this? -bad guy is powerful -hero is lacking in training so he loses on the first "round" -hero trains -bad guy is cocky but gets beat up cuz he underestimated the hero -bad guy powerups/transforms -bad guy beats the hell out of the hero leaving him senseless and near death -hero has the super revealing flashback of his training and begins to smile even if his jaw is distorted -hero transforms -hero beats up bad guy....... that's the main rule of dbz at least.




haha I just had to partake in this topic.

I don't really agree that to be a cliche, like it's also normal in the reall life for such things to happen. People usually first taste a defeat and only after that they start to gain in power. Good example the soviet olimpic team in the first olimpics they took part, they were absolutly humilated (well not really but they still lost).

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I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music."
/Kristian Wilson, Nintendo Inc, 1989

The obligatory onsen trips. God, kill me now. Why do they always have to go to a hot spring? I see this happen in shoujo manga too. And if there isn't an onsen scene, then there's the bath scene.
This goes hand-in-hand with the indecisive romances of course.

i guess the mangaka can't think of another way for the two characters to accidently walk in almost naked on each other?