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Post #357125 - Reply to (#353528) by tactics
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1:30 am, Feb 13 2010
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How many times has this been explained before? laugh

Basically, most people of this world are not this "stronger male". It's easier to relate to a charcter that is like Ustumi. It's much harder to relate to a character who's popular, strong and clever.
I'm not going into detail. Should know who Shounen's are aimed at and what to expect...

Want perfect? Go read Death Note


I understand what you are saying, but I disagree with the idea that stories need to be written a certain way to make main characters mirror the audience. If anything writers should be using the opportunity to show male characters that actually get their shit together and learn how to be proper men, not reinforce the idea that it's okay to be wishy-washy and mopey and weak.

That said, I believe GE's mangaka is actually pushing her lead towards being a more confident and decisive guy, as was shown with his recent interactions with his co-worker. Basically I think this story is what more shonen romance should be, an annoying wussy idiot character that makes me want to punch him for the first while, who eventually learns how to be a decent human being at some point in the story.

Post #357379
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5:35 pm, Feb 13 2010
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^ wow, i never thought this topic would continue for so long. And i completely agree, forget his senpai or whatever. He seems over her for now, and the appearance of a new love interest?...A manga that shows the realistic maturation of its main character this is becoming. So glad i started reading it.

Post #362473 - Reply to (#357379) by Raven2827
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Quote from Raven2827
^ wow, i never thought this topic would continue for so long. And i completely agree, forget his senpai or whatever. He seems over her for now, and the appearance of a new love interest?...A manga that shows the realistic maturation of its main character this is becoming. So glad i started reading it.


Not really. After all he is gone back to stalking, angsty character... He even apologizes when he was punched for no reason... complete wuss still...

I guess one kick in the nuts brings as you say harder personality but another kick in the nuts reverses the character back to being the same annoying wuss he was in the beginning.

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Post #363254
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4:43 am, Mar 12 2010
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This is seriously disappointing.

His first love interest was a slut and now his second love interest is also a slut. Why would they both go out with their ex's (obviously something wrong if they broke up) instead of with Utsumi whom they obviously like?

And guy goes back to stalker mode.

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Dunno about the 2 female characters being " sluts" ...seems that the more correct word would be "being used". I find it troubling that both of these 2 women haven't learned their lessons in how to have a true relationship with someone they can truely trust and depend on. The 2 male "side characters "Touru and the Elder male senpai" are only using Shou and Yuki for their own means.. sex,whatever....

Shame Utsumi has to fall for these 2 gals that have ALOT of baggage with them. Touru with how he treated Yuki horribly in the past and that scumbag elder sempai hitting on other girls at the concert while still "dating" Shou who knows nothing supposedly what he is doing.

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After Utsumi finally speaking his "mind" to Yuki i doubt she will answer his reply favorably X_X


I truely feel sorry for Utsumi at this point in the story!

Post #364200
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4:12 pm, Mar 16 2010
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This is, by no means, Utsumi being a wuss.

First; The chance of having your feelings getting shattered is reason enough to be a wuss, all on itself. So the fact that he is giving love a second chance speaks of a pair down there, albeit a small pair... for now.

Second: Getting punched and saying he is sorry shows maturity, at least in my book. When you are 16/17 and living with your family, you have to be aware of certain rules and a minimum respect, specially because there's people who worry and care about you. Of course she had to lie, because even though she had nothing in mind while staying with him on a hotel, it would still be fucking weird to mail your family "haaaai! I'm staying with my (male) friend at a Motel for the night, 'kay? Baaai!". Utsumi understands that, as he understood that he IS partialy responsible and he tries to be a gentleman. He did not make up excuses, he understood that the cousing was worried about her and felt responsible. That will make a difference, I'm pretty sure, with her cousin.

Utsumi is a long way from being a man with a proper pair grown down there, but at least he his past hiding behind bushes while stalking the girl he likes.

And Jesus Christ, the girls sluts? Seriously, what's wrong with you? Just because you are 13 and never had a teenage relationship doesn't give you the right to label anyone a slut. At that age you are like an hormone-club, with your hormones jumping around totally crazy. They are growing up, and that's what growing up means precisely; Making mistakes and learning from them.


Go Utsumi! biggrin

Post #366285 - Reply to (#364200) by HolyAvenger
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Quote from HolyAvenger
This is, by no means, Utsumi being a wuss.

First; The chance of having your feelings getting shattered is reason enough to be a wuss, all on itself. So the fact that he is giving love a second chance speaks of a pair down there, albeit a small pair... for now.

Second: Getting punched and saying he is sorry shows maturity, at least in my book. When you are 16/17 and living with your family, you have to be aware of certain rules and a minimum respect, specially because there's people who worry and care about you. Of course she had to lie, because even though she had nothing in mind while staying with him on a hotel, it would still be fucking weird to mail your family "haaaai! I'm staying with my (male) friend at a Motel for the night, 'kay? Baaai!". Utsumi understands that, as he understood that he IS partialy responsible and he tries to be a gentleman. He did not make up excuses, he understood that the cousing was worried about her and felt responsible. That will make a difference, I'm pretty sure, with her cousin.

Utsumi is a long way from being a man with a proper pair grown down there, but at least he his past hiding behind bushes while stalking the girl he likes.

And Jesus Christ, the girls sluts? Seriously, what's wrong with you? Just because you are 13 and never had a teenage relationship doesn't give you the right to label anyone a slut. At that age you are like an hormone-club, with your hormones jumping around totally crazy. They are growing up, and that's what growing up means precisely; Making mistakes and learning from them.


Go Utsumi! biggrin


Oh no, I called a fictional character a slut so I'm a 13-year old. Someone call the police. roll

Seriously? Calling someone on their age to use as an insult? What are you, 13? Oh wait...

Post #367596 - Reply to (#366285) by JackTheRyder
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12:33 pm, Mar 30 2010
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Oh no, I called a fictional character a slut so I'm a 13-year old. Someone call the police. roll

Seriously? Calling someone on their age to use as an insult? What are you, 13? Oh wait...


Maybe you don't understand, but the comment about age wasn't just a random cheap insult. He was referring to your lack of experience with relationships, which he then explicitly stated. As in, if you think actions like those two girls did make them sluts, then you have a naively warped view of human relationships, and if you continue to hold that view in the future even while in one, every relationship you partake in will shatter due to your foolish and immature mindset.

They weren't sluts, they were in love, it's not like they messed around with tons of guys, which you would I'm sure be fine with if it was a guy doing lots of girls. But they had relationships with ONE guy, who they loved very much, just because it doesn't happen to be the main character whom you relate with and somehow view as an extention of yourself, doesn't make them sluts in the slightest.

Post #369387 - Reply to (#345692) by dark mage
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Quote from dark mage
Quote from Raven2827
Feel sorry for utsumi, his senpai is a total B3Tch for just lying to him like that. Not even telling him the truth until he caught them. i hope he gets the last laught.


Also, can you really blame Shou for chhosing the man she is been in love with for all these years? Its likely she is being played with, but when you are a naive, innocent, teenage girl in love like Shou, things like rebound girl matters very little, and Shou has never been portrayed as a sensible person, she always thinks with her heart first, and she went with what her heart was feeling.


My sister does that crap with her boyfriend. They break up, they get back together, he snubs her, she goes out with someone else, then they get back together. All I know is that I hate adolescent relationships, and this manga reinforces it for me.

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ANYWAY BACK TO THE STORY EH?

So Shou finally saw her boyfriend for what he was, broke up with him, and is getting along well with Utsumi again hmm?
Is Yuki taking things the wrong way? Probably.

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I'm tempted to drop this and pick it up later. Standard melodramatic shounen romance. I usually pick those up around the middle or the end.

The mangaka's a little green at this, but still the "big event of the week" thing is getting a kinda nerve-wracking.

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Post #370696 - Reply to (#369390) by tactics
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Quote from tactics
ANYWAY BACK TO THE STORY EH?

So Shou finally saw her boyfriend for what he was, broke up with him, and is getting along well with Utsumi again hmm?
Is Yuki taking things the wrong way? Probably.


LOL, what do you mean back to the story? The OP in this thread is about Shou being a bitch for not telling Utsumi about her new boyfriend and him finding out himself when meeting them... All the conversation since then has been based on that original comment. If you want to talk general story stuff maybe find/make a different thread? You're the one trying to bring things off-topic.

Post #370905 - Reply to (#370696) by ultenth
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Quote from tactics
ANYWAY BACK TO THE STORY EH?

So Shou finally saw her boyfriend for what he was, broke up with him, and is getting along well with Utsumi again hmm?
Is Yuki taking things the wrong way? Probably.


LOL, what do you mean back to the story? The OP in this thread is about Shou being a bitch for not telling Utsumi about her new boyfriend and him finding out himself when meeting them... All the conversation since then has been based on that original comment. If you want to talk general story stuff maybe find/make a different thread? You're the one trying to bring things off-topic.


Touché

Post #371951
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3:56 am, Apr 17 2010
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I wouldn't say Shou is a bitch, she is just a bit stupid. I actually had Kurokawa pegged as a Veronica when this manga started. If you were an outside observer you would think that Kurokawa was really trying to snatch Utsumi away from Shou preemptively by basically worming her way into his life under the guise of helping him with his lady troubles. She could easily have him eating out of her hand if she wanted. It is interesting that she would make an almost perfect "bitch" but isn't and wouldn't intentionally be cruel to Utsumi. Her main problem as Utsumi pointed out in the last chapter is that she is too ambiguous. She sends out mixed signals too much. Even Shou was a bit better at rejecting Utsumi than Kurokawa.

Utsumi actually isn't that much of a retard, he realizes quite quickly when he fucks things up, and does think about his own feelings and knows that he isn't suffering from any kind of rebound syndrome now that his attention is on Kurokawa. If he was a typical shounen lead, he wouldn't even have had the balls to risk getting caught stalking Shou, let alone start growing a pair after some prodding from Kurokawa.

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