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BlackOrion
Post #549199 - Reply to (#549194) by secretdesires
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I honestly can't even read this topic. I click on it a million times but I read one and a half posts and I become so annoyed and enraged that I close the tab. I didn't think or even imagine that so many of the people on this site are just so... stupid. Besides the major homophobes here, I get incred ...


I just said homosexuality is not natural, never said it was wrong. A lot of people here said that rape is natural but they won't start raping whenever they get bored right?(i hope so)

i think this thread is interesting. Most people think that the "minority" is the one that is oppressed and did nothing wrong, but if it was the other way around they would be the one talking crap about you. An example been how, when the law of homosexual marriage was put to vote in my country, many Christian that were just praying for the law not been accepted got beaten up an spat on.

I don't believe on siding with someone just because it seem right, both sides had equal appealing, even if you were gay you can't deny that many arguments against homosexuality make sense, and at the same time to respect someone decision and to cherish love is always a good argument.

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In particular i'm of the believing that we should all die and fade into the infinite abyss of the nothingness where such discussion are meaningless

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I honestly never encountered any gay guys or women, till now.
Yes, part of me think like... "wtf"
But no, i'm not going to judge a person from its sexual orientation,
if they treat me good, i shall do the same.

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I honestly can't even read this topic. I click on it a million times but I read one and a half posts and I become so annoyed and enraged that I close the tab. I didn't think or even imagine that so many of the people on this site are just so... stupid. Besides the major homophobes here, I get incred ...

ahaha, this is hilarious. So what if we think homosexuality is immoral, as long as we don't speak badly about them or discriminate? It's just like racism - I couldn't care less whether someone hates Asians, or Caucasians, or anything else, as long as they don't openly show it. Isn't it rather hypocritical to say we all deserve to be locked up in a room, while denouncing others for saying similar things about homosexuals?

People are free to think whatever they desire in their minds; it's only the actions that people see that matter in this case.

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I think many of the arguments against homosexuality don't have much basis. The fact that it is not natural is ridiculous, due to the fact that it's found and humans and humans are a part of nature (found in animals as well, in case that's not natural enough for you). I've always kind of believed everyone's gay to some extent, just to what degree they are. From what I've seen I don't think I've really met anyone that is 100% gay or 100% straight. More of a spectrum thing I think. Terms such as "gay", "bisexual", "straight", I don't think they're really necessary. If two people are attracted to each other, they should be able to form a sexual and emotional relationship, without anybody batting an eye.

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I fine with anyone's preference as long as both (or more) are competent, consenting, adult Homo sapiens.

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I fine with anyone's preference as long as both (or more) are competent, consenting, adult Homo sapiens.

The problem with that argument is that if you're fine "with anyone's preference as long as both (or more) are competent, consenting, adult Homo sapiens," then incest would be alright too, as long as both participants are competent, consenting, adult Homo sapiens. You can claim that as long as they don't have children, close relatives should be allowed to marry too when they reach the majority of age as any other couple of competent, consenting, adult Homo sapiens.

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The problem with that argument is that if you're fine "with anyone's preference as long as both (or more) are competent, consenting, adult Homo sapiens," then incest would be alright too, as long as both participants are competent, consenting, adult Homo sapiens. You can claim that as long ...


and i totally agree with that. consenting sex between adult should be allowed either its incest or homosexual. why should i care that a brother and a sister is having sex?

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Humans are regarded as the most educated and powerful living organism on this planet.
Because we are analytically perceptive to science and COMMON SENSE, we were capable of creating rules for us to follow in ways that made sense.

Homosexuality is practiced by animals. But this is because they have no morals, no realistic guidelines as to know the boundaries of sexual affection and its SCIENTIFIC PURPOSE.

Gay people having a choice to choose NOT to be gay is believed to exist.
If a gay man had his memories erased, and then experienced sexual activity with a woman on a continual basis, there would be no room for affection for his own gender. The same formula applies for gay women.

Human beings can choose to either walk or run. We can all be manipulated. A woman can be manipulated to love a man he doesn't know as long as she allows herself too.

The road to homosexuality is a choice. And a Choice can be changed.
Caucasians had a choice to vote a black man president - violating the white-man presidential tradition. Gay people have a choice to tell themselves to SHUT THE F**K UP and STOP BEING GAY.

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Irrational anger...

There's no shortage of fallacies in your post, but I'm not particularly interested in dissecting them... I would like to know, however, why you're so angry about homosexual behavior. Even if you believe homosexuality to be a choice, why do the sexual preferences of others infuriate you so much?

Do you also go on tirades regarding heterosexual behavior that deviates from "the boundaries of sexual affection and its scientific purpose?" Or is your passion saved strictly for homosexuals?

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Humans are regarded as the most educated and powerful living organism on this planet.
Because we are analytically perceptive to science and COMMON SENSE, we were capable of creating rules for us to follow in ways that made sense.

Homosexuality is practiced by animals[/url]. But this is because they have ...


"Humans are regarded as the most educated and powerful living organism on this planet."
We regard ourselves as the most educated and powerful beings you mean... What's your point?
"Because we are analytically perceptive to science and COMMON SENSE, we were capable of creating rules for us to follow in ways that made sense."
Not all of us, and can you prove we are the sole species living on this planet that does so?

By your own argument, heterosexuality is also a choice. So why did you choose to become heterosexual? (assuming you are).

Also, "The road to homosexuality is a choice"... Okay, even assuming this were true, it's a very vague argument... Or are you under the assumption that sexuality is something rational and "chosen" with a clear and "educated" mind.
And even then, you appear to be under the assumption that all homosexuals (secretly) would rather be heterosexual, which is simply not true.

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I would like to know, however, why you're so angry about homosexual behavior. Even if you believe homosexuality to be a choice, why do the sexual preferences of others infuriate you so much?
Why am I angry about homosexual behavior? I am angry because this notion of "HOMOSEXUALITY is OKAY" is getting out of hand. I don't want to die with the possibility that my my future relatives can be persuaded to be gay due to encountering gay media and other gay influences.

Gay MEN exist because they refuse NOT to except women as SEXUAL LOVERS.
Now, I really don't know the mentality of bisexual MEN.

Why does the sexual preferences of others infuriate me? Well, I believe that gay people are degrading all of humanity. Sure, gay people are intelligent, interesting and fabulous people - but their mere existence threatens the human race. The human race can not survive by two humans of the same gender unless those particular humans were intelligent enough to clone themselves and preserve the existence of humanity.

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By your own argument, heterosexuality is also a choice. So why did you choose to become heterosexual? (assuming you are).
Well, I chose to become heterosexual due to the main reason that it made absolute sense if I wanted to have a son/daughter of my own flesh and blood - believing that "a part of me" we still be walking and talking and existing somewhere in the future to come.

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Are you under the assumption that sexuality is something rational and "chosen" with a clear and "educated" mind. And even then, you appear to be under the assumption that all homosexuals (secretly) would rather be heterosexual, which is simply not true.
Yes. I am assuming that if a gay man/woman had erased memories and were educated in a way that allows them not to be gay, their mindset would be that of a heterosexual - therefore they would then not be gay. Even if you were to tell them that they used to be gay, they would resent that notion - believing clearly that gay people are humans beings who do not care for the reproduction of the human existence.

I do not believe that all homosexuals want to deviate from their sexuality - because if that were true, we wouldn't have gay people to begin with. If a gay man did not want to be gay, all he had to do was train himself - which would be difficult since he is already convinced that he must only love men. If the mind can be manipulated or persuaded to not be gay, then gay people can finally help themselves.

I believe that if there was a natural technological process of erasing certain distinct memories of the brain, in the future there will be less gay people. But if the government and Law enforcers start to accept gay people as a normal idea, then it will just make gay people NOT TRY to not be gay. Gay people have to want to not be gay if they don't want to be gay.

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Well, I chose to become heterosexual due to the main reason that it made absolute sense if I wanted to have a son/daughter of my own flesh and blood - believing that "a part of me" we still be walking and talking and existing somewhere in the future to come.

So you made a conscious decision, at a very young age (possibly before the age of 3~5), that since you might want to have children in the future, you're best course of action was to become heterosexual?
Unlikely.
Why do you think that being homosexual equals not being able to have/make children?... That would only be the case if you were sterile/infertile (and even in that case science will probably find a way).
Also, reproducing is not foremost in everyone thoughts (I myself have no interest in it whatsoever).
In fact, sexuality has nothing to do with reproduction and in many cases homosexuality might even be an advantage to both child and parent. What matters is how you deal with it, no good can come of forcing people with differing sexualities together in a monogamous relationship, no matter how much others or they themselves force it.

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believe that if there was a natural technological process of erasing certain distinct memories of the brain, in the future there will be less gay people. But if the government and Law enforcers start to accept gay people as a normal idea, then it will just make gay people NOT TRY to not be gay. Gay people have to want to not be gay if they don't want to be gay.


I'd like to claim the exact opposite, I believe that in the future there will be more openly gay people. For two distinct reasons:
1. In the current civilisation cycle (or how you'd like to call it), it's becoming acceptable to be gay. More and more people are willing to admit being gay and have less trouble engaging in such a lifestyle.

2. Current society, especially in the west, is becoming more and more focussed on the individual. I'm not saying people these days are egocentric, but I'm saying family plays a less important role when compared to the individuals needs and wants. Religious "oppression" is disappearing and "neighbour control" is pretty much gone (especially where I live)... Which I consider a good thing.

I still think you, and many others, are seeing things too black/white. Choice is what matters, no one is forcing you to be something you are not, so why do this to others?
Sure, you are entitled to you opinion and apparently we have our differences on this subject... But that's okay, it's what keeps life interesting. What annoys me, is when people start enforcing their opinions onto others (taking away choice).
Let me decide for myself what I am, why I'm it, and what I want to be. I'm not telling you to be the same or to accommodate me especially, why is it so hard for many people to accept this simple fact?

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Never understood the "hate" of things that are different, you're telling me homosexuality is not normal... why? what do you base this on?... Are you saying you have had a guiding hand into the creation and development of humanity as a species, and therefore know how a human should act?
You are closing doors to the development of a species because you can't accept something that is different, if homosexuality truly was something harmful to a species, why is it so abundant in nature and history?
If you are against homosexuality because it's generally not accepted in society, that anything you say automatically becomes a non-argument. Society is the common-ground between a group of individuals, it does not dictate how to live or what to be and is dynamic in nature. The bigger a society that more rigid it becomes and the more people get hurt (in which case society WILL change, gradually or by revolution). Society is unrelated to physiology or the psyche.

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I believe that if there was a natural technological process of erasing certain distinct memories of the brain, in the future there will be less gay people.


If there was a technology capable of rewriting human minds like that, using it would be the end of human rights in general... but if we did decide to remove traits from people's minds, why choose something like sexual preference?

Why not choose something truly harmful... like mean-spirited bigotry?

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Humans are regarded as the most educated and powerful living organism on this planet.
Because we are analytically perceptive to science and COMMON SENSE, we were capable of creating rules for us to follow in ways that made sense.

Homosexuality is practiced by animals[/url]. But this is because they have ...



Dumb point.

Are you perhaps a robot incapable of human emotion?

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If there was a technology capable of rewriting human minds like that, using it would be the end of human rights in general... but if we did decide to remove traits from people's minds, why choose something like sexual preference?

Why not choose something truly harmful... like mean-spirited bigo ...


I think he went a little overboard there but what he means, and this is actually easy to prove, is that if you were to clean all memories from a gay man and let he live his life again he would be hetero in 8 out of 10 cases.
This can be proven by the fact that a lot of people "change" they sexual behavioured after a really traumatic experience. For example a woman becoming a lesbian after been raped, something that, sadly, happen often (when i said sadly i was talking about the rape, let's not take that the wrong way). Meaning that sexual preferences can depend on the state of mind and change because of circumstances.


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Are you perhaps a robot incapable of human emotion?

The funny thing here is that the whole argument about gay marriage is actually all about what marriage mean and how it changed it meaning with the years.
Long ago people would have laughed in your face if you said that marriage was all about love, so it's easy to understand how gay marriage is something than even today we found odd. So what's so strange about the way he thinks? is actually a brutally honest way of saying what a lot of people think. I particularly don't care about surviving, me or anybody, i found been obsessive with life bad, so i can't agree with that point of view either anyway.



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