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chappie
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9:59 pm, Feb 10 2010
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This was awesome. It is a turning point for Luffy and I think that it was needed considering this is supposed to be the "halfway point" of the story (eg. Red Line). I think Oda has planned this for a very long time because there needs to be a greater catalyst for Luffy to push him past a certain barrier.

In another sense, he now has something to propel him like all the others. In fact, if you look at all the other characters in his crew, each one has had a major death(s) to change their life (although Sanji's is a bit off as the only deaths that I can see are that of the Chef Crew on that cruise ship).

If somebody has said that there are no deaths in this manga, well, they may just need to reread everything. There has always been death in this manga. That is why they party so hearty after a battle, in celebration of their life as a pirate!

<toast> Ace!

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xtr3m3dude
Post #356414 - Reply to (#356407) by mike0dude
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10:08 pm, Feb 10 2010
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I don't get it though.
You can't "burn" fire (light and heat).

Magma being hotter than fire has got nothing to do with anything...
Plus logia fruit users are able to change their whole bodies into the element.
It would've made sense to kill Ace in his logia form by dumping water on him.
Or if he were touching seastone he could be killed by normal means.

But this just doesn't feel right...

at that level im pretty sure akainu can use haki to hit him none
so it makes sence cause haki user can hurt devil fruit users even if there logia.
so its as if ace was normal and got hit by magma

that makes sence to me

When you put it like that... I suppose so.
I guess we have to assume haki cancels out logia in a similar way to seastone.
Maybe haki power is like vibrations (same frequency of seastone/the sea, which was
said to cancel out devil fruit powers).

You gotta admit Oda's explanation of magma burning fire was bad though.
Maybe science wasn't his strongest subject...
I am sure he excelled in story-telling and art though. laugh

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XxKumagoroXx
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10:44 pm, Feb 10 2010
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cry Ace!!
Damn it I didn't think he would die but he did. I just wanna hold Luffy because that sucked big time. I can see Luffy changing somewhat after Ace's death but not entirely. I don't think he's the type to be knocked down regardless of what happens...still great chapter and I'm dying for the next weeks.

captan awesome
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10:44 pm, Feb 10 2010
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that sucks.they went through all that and still failed. ace was cool too. maybe luffy will go berserk now and pwn everybody

bloody_angel
Post #356433 - Reply to (#356372) by hesnevercomingback
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10:48 pm, Feb 10 2010
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Oh my god! They killed ace!


you bastards

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seriously, one piece, the only series to make me cry over a boat and now manly tears are falling for ace.


manly tears my ass... they were going down like no ones business.. and im a bald a bit big body guy..
never gonna forget that boat in my life

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Looks like Garp wants some revenge aswell.

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i think this is gonna make luffy mature a little


well, they both gonna go banana first i guess, gonna "grow" later bigrazz

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all I can say is...

....SONOFABITCH!....


you said it... period mad

kumquat
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10:57 pm, Feb 10 2010
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My heart hurts for Ace and Luffy. I teared up at the end. One Piece definitely is one of the, if not the, greatest manga of all time. Man Luffy going Super Saiyan will be so intense, can't wait till next week. But what a price.
R.I.P. Ace <3

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Paikiej
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11:11 pm, Feb 10 2010
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*toast* To Ace

apachbe
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11:12 pm, Feb 10 2010
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THAT WAS SO SAD

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Kurozuka
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11:19 pm, Feb 10 2010
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After reading this chapter i finally realised who will be the next companion in luffy's crew......gatts

Benares
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11:36 pm, Feb 10 2010
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...and thats why one piece is the king of shounen

srsly, bleach and naruto are good, but bleach is far from epic at the moment
and naruto is....relly boring, the whole sasuke-revenge-moreandmoreandmorerevenge...
i get sleepy from this repeating stuff.

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Post #356444 - Reply to (#356430) by captan awesome
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11:38 pm, Feb 10 2010
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Quote from captan awesome
that sucks.they went through all that and still failed. ace was cool too. maybe luffy will go berserk now and pwn everybody


Nope, I wouldn't be so sure. Unlike Kishimoto and Kubo, Oda knows the balance in power

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paradoX
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12:02 am, Feb 11 2010
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For me, last chapter was worse. Seeing the last few boxes as the papers burns.. Holy crap, I couldn't breathe. But this one.. Seeing everybody's hopes and wishes crushed utterly, hat is the worst part. How many of them sacrificed their lives for Ace, and still he dies in the end. It feels so utterly hopeless..

They really have to kill Luffy now. He had nothing personal against Marines before, not doing more harm than he had to. Now, it got personal. I would be scared like hell if I was a Marine and Luffy manages to get away. And all the rest of the pirates there..

One Piece has drastically changed with a single arc. Power balance, mood, attitude and priorities. With one thing standing out above others.

Luffy should be treated as someone dangerous now. Because he is. Think of him as Kenshin before, only using the blunt side of his sword. That can and will change. They took his brother.

Oda. You bastard. It hurts.

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Post #356466 - Reply to (#356450) by paradoX
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2:24 am, Feb 11 2010
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Quote from paradoX
One Piece has drastically changed with a single arc. Power balance, mood, attitude and priorities. With one thing standing out above others.

Luffy should be treated as someone dangerous now. Because he is. Think of him as Kenshin before, only using the blunt side of his sword. That can and will change. They took his brother.

Oda. You bastard. It hurts.

This. Before, Luffy always ended up victorious somehow. Now during the biggest and most meaning arc thus far, Luffy loses big time. It's hard to see how he'll react, but my guess it's safe to say that Sakazuki is a dead man walking.

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Calíbre
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2:25 am, Feb 11 2010
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Maybe Luffy will be serious from now on.

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Post #356491 - Reply to (#356414) by xtr3m3dude
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3:23 am, Feb 11 2010
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Quote from xtr3m3dude
I don't get it though.
You can't "burn" fire (light and heat).

Magma being hotter than fire has got nothing to do with anything...
Plus logia fruit users are able to change their whole bodies into the element.
It would've made sense to kill Ace in his logia form by dumping water on him.
Or if he were touching seastone he could be killed by normal means.

But this just doesn't feel right...

at that level im pretty sure akainu can use haki to hit him none
so it makes sence cause haki user can hurt devil fruit users even if there logia.
so its as if ace was normal and got hit by magma

that makes sence to me

When you put it like that... I suppose so.
I guess we have to assume haki cancels out logia in a similar way to seastone.
Maybe haki power is like vibrations (same frequency of seastone/the sea, which was
said to cancel out devil fruit powers).

You gotta admit Oda's explanation of magma burning fire was bad though.
Maybe science wasn't his strongest subject...
I am sure he excelled in story-telling and art though. laugh



oh ya forgot to say lava is hotter then fire none
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_fire_hotter_than_lava

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