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kitty1826x
Post #677379 - Reply to (#677341) by NightSwan
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Yes, I've read those, and I know what you're talking about. However, I have no idea what the person who made this tag was thinking. To change the tag's name may change how it fits in the mangas it's already tagged in, which causes a mess.
To take the literal meaning of the tag, well ... then everything it's tag with is incorrect, because those manga are not saying that. To take it as 'I'm just going to move pass the fact that you raped me and fall for you' well, that's a terrible name for that meaning.

As residentgrigo was saying there's already other tags related to rape that are useful and already have the proper name/meaning. (Although I could have sworn there was a "Falls for rapist" tag before... that one could be useful...)


So yes, I still firmly believe that Rape isn't Considered as a Bad Thing should be deleted as a tag since it is not clear in meaning? therefore useless, and not needed. (Again ignoring that fact that the tag is not only aggravating, but insulting to any author who's psychological work gets dumb down to 'yeah rape isn't a bad thing'. )



...

Now I guess for a suggestion for a tag, well two tags.
"Falls for rapist" and "In love with rapist" ?
The 1st one is more for that person who was raped and later in the story fell in love with the rapist. The 2nd one is more for that person who was raped by someone they are in love with. But it seems like that would be covered by dubious consent? Although it is a bit more specific in which case is better than dubious consent...
I've read both scenarios before and they are different, sometimes both things will happen in the same story.

It probably would be better to have a general name that covers both cases... and for that I cannot think of anything....

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residentgrigo
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7:38 pm, Mar 4 2016
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Dubious Consent indeed fits the theme and Sexual Coercion needs to be merged with it. So do all sorts of other sex/rape tags and Mrs. Kittys other tag was indeed a thing before.
The righteous rape tag is also a borderline violation of the FAQ. Why? Because it ultimately represent a "Midnight Rendezvous in El Paso". Meaning that it is a highly specific combination (at least 3) of words or themes that end up saying nothing. What does "bad" even mean in context? Did the rapist feel justified -my Villain Protagonist fits and we only specify the actions of leading actors in detail-, was it the victim who got into it -Submissive Female Lead / Submissive Male Lead and many more-, was it a case of violence within a family unit -Domestic Violence, Incest,etc.-, did society at large brush it off - Dark Ambience, Human Trafficking,etc.- or what about Mind Break which needs to be merged with Mental breakdown (pick this one) and Mental Retardation which leads to 1 Moe manga.
Human Pet/s should also go into Sex Slave/s due to the way it is being used.
The example SleepyTigress set is one to be followed!

Using the tools we already have will not only fill up the backlog for them, tagging is a 2 way street after all, but will also introduce educative variables on how to paint a repeatable picture with tags. I thus won´t call the tag offensive (having a public vote on the quality of rape is beyond fucked up though) but lazy instead. Shove them all under Dubious Consent and having the updaters paint a picture around it would be the opposite of that. That status needs to mean something after all!
Another "great" example of how not to tag would be School Boy/s and School Girl/s.
One could bother to figure out the proper age range / school (or use the tags without a school) and then set at least 1 of the multiple variables but one would need to actually read the manga and evaluate it. Who has time for that?
I for example successfully introduced Bushido Code a year ago but ended up noticing that i always set Samurai + Honor with it and thus went back to see if even one entry for the tag wasn´t set by me. I saw none and thus deleted all last month and with them the tag. It only ended up cluttering the database and the last thing i want is to have our tag database degrade into the IMDB Plot Keywords library no . That unusable piece of trash functionality is the future of our category section unless we won´t start to actually look after it soon.

Rape Gate 2016 has certainly been real and maybe even educative. The admins can now re-delete it or cut it off and have us regrow 2 new heads to fracture out rape portfolio even further. Efficiency and overarching themes on one hand or more de-evaluated tags due to the introduction of even more variants on the other.
Ain´t manga beautiful hobby? I certainly had fun when i had to comb through the endless and conflicting rape tags when i posted my ongoing findings in the Male rape victims thread.
(Forced Anal is my favorite new and rape related bastard child btw.)

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Post #677445 - Reply to (#677302) by kitty1826x
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@ kitty1826x - It is a usefull tag to mark a content and attitudes shown in the manga.

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You're telling me there's manga where rape isn't considered bad?


- Yes that is exactly what I am telling you. There is a ton of Smutty Shoujo, Yaoi, Hentai, Bara mangas where rape is shown as something ok. Sorry to tell you but it seems as really cammon sexual fantasy. If you claim never to seen them, what can I say...mabey your definition of rape is something different than my definition?

And it seems really pointles to me to be angry about tags, when the content of such works is something that should be questioned more.

I do agree that the name could be improved.

@residentgrigo
- if a tag does not seems usefull to you does not mean that its not usefull to other people. Personally, I do not like all the hentai tags that are poping out like crazy, but it seems that there is much more hentai manga registered that shounen. Like it or not some people have specific tastes and like to be able to find what they like.


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11:05 am, Mar 6 2016
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@kitty1826x - I like the names you propsed, they seem more "proper" and still mark the content. Think the "In love with rapist" is more ...broad?

@residentgrigo
- I think the main problem is that people who add endless variations of tags dont even bother to look at the forum or rules for tagging.... so mabey it would be good idea to adress this problem more personally from the admins level? I don't know but mabey send notifications to users that are notoriously abusing the creation of new tags? just my idea... nowedays there are a lot of pages that allow tagging without any rules and control so mabey some people are just not used to haveing any discipline with tagging....

residentgrigo
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Shounen manga are the most widely published form of comicbook in the world and i myself stood up for porn tags in this very thread. I even stated in my post that magazines dedicated to the theme in question exist. What we need though are either new or definable -textbook definitions are the goal here- (porn) tags and not the 40th variation of rape.
Rape isn't Considered as a Bad Thing fails both criteria with flying colors.
Tags also only continue to pop up because everyone can invent as my many as they like and admins have slowed down the frequency of deletion of such.
If you want to enrich the database than go to a porn site and start checking which of the big one we are missing. Hairy Armpits, Inverted Nipples, Prolapse, a variation of X-Ray and so on. Where are these? All are 100% definable themes that can´t be stated otherwise and i would have defended every one if they were up for deletion. I even introduced Unbirth to not be a hypocrite, as it is the last thing i would want to read about, but i will stick the introduction and spreading (!) of basic literary (sub-)genres as Urban Fantasy for the time being.
I would also love to point out how few people care about this thread, the tag awareness thread or this rape tag in general. I am just here to provide an educated commentary on how to tag sensibly and the admins have heard us by now. I am now moving on from this once deleted tag.

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kitty1826x
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*sigh*

Okay first off rangda2, other than the weekly poll threads it's a no no to double post. Edit your post to add on more or quote them all? use (Quote)stuff you want to quote(/quote) but with brackets instead of parentheses.


Back to topic....
rangda2, those manga DO NOT depict rape as something "okay". Most of the time it's what Nightswan said and the bad behavior is glossed over and forgiven, not a smiple 'oh it wasn't a bad thing for you to do.'
In none of those will you find something like this:
Female lead gets raped, female lead realizes that rape isn't a bad thing and falls in love with the rapist, female lead then wants the rapist to continue raping her because it's not a bad thing for him to do.

^That over there does not happen...Okay it does, but it seems to only be in hentai, but even then rape would've been a bad thing first and then a mental break happens, blah blah, netorare territory.
Hentai unfortunately is rarely tagged here, and although it would work on those select hentai scenarios it does not work on those shoujo, and yaoi. (Probably because most of those hentai have no story and make no sense at all...)

Frankly, to chop up the psychological work of a person getting raped, the fear, the anxiety, the regret, forgiveness, all the other things that happen (or should happen. Some authors can convey all that a lot better than other, and some authors choose to just gloss over all that...), not only is it sad, but it's aggravating. As an aspiring novelist having 10 out of 50 stories with rape in it. If any of my works were to simplified that much is insulting and wrong (Wrong in the sense that the person got the message wrong, not wrong in the sense of good and bad.)
And no, I think my anger of the tag is justify? in the proper place? (ughh can't think), instead of questioning the mangas. After all this is the Categories (Tags) Bug Thread, and not some thread (which is probably out there) about rape in manga. Getting upset over the proper labeling of manga, I think is reasonable...



At residentgrigo, I'm on the fence if rape needs more tags than the ones already there. Part of me sees the validity of such tags as they do apply some, and do help out finding certain types of stories. Then I can flip that logic and say none of it is really needed... (To be clear, I am not saying that the 'Rape isn't considered a bad thing' is still a horrible tag and should be deleted. I'm talking other tags.)


I'm just going to wait until an admin give their input on the new tag suggestions and hopefully agrees that the tag I brought up into question should be deleted.

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oGaga
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10:04 pm, May 9 2016
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Why has the facial hair tag been removed? I personally went through and added 100+ series to it because the beard tags didnt have enough manga or didnt apply because it wasnt a beard. Only to now find that its been deleted and all of my work has been trashed. It was already agreed pages ago that facial hair is a legitimate tag.

Im extremely angry because i read through hundreds of manga to verify them and just to add them to the tag, only for the tag to now be gone. sad

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bclove092
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12:17 pm, Jun 6 2016
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Hi. I was wondering if there was a way to add a feature to search for a manga with multiple categories? if it already exists then i am truly sorry for being redundant.

residentgrigo
Post #680784 - Reply to (#680775) by bclove092
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4:23 pm, Jun 6 2016
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Go to http://mangaupdates.com/series.html?act=genresearch

Put the tags below each other as (just copy and paste):
Award-Winning Work
Adapted to Anime

and put a - in front of ones you want excluded as:
-Violence

Try out Quick Search (be as simple as possible) in http://mangaupdates.com/categories.html or the auto-complete when applying tags of your own to see which ones we got, but you would need to become an updater first (read the FAQ).

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