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Is there such a thing as Peace and can it be achieved?
Yes. there is no doubt in my mind
No it's merely an illusion created by those who don't want to accept reality.
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What does peace mean to you?
Do you believe in peace?
is it possible to achieve peace?
Is the country you live in peaceful?
What do you think of the situations regarding terrorism, wars in the world.
Can peace be achieved with communism or democracy or neither?

What are your views?

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no its not possible. as long as people have individuality and can think for themselves conflict will always arise wether it be because of different beliefs or because someone did something that others dont agree with.

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Well, we aren't exactly at war everywhere and everytime, so, I view peace as an absence of war, talking about how would I call it. But I think that it's more an ideal (no war anywhere) than anything else.

It's not exactly a matter of believing or not.

Yes, but if you mean no war anywhere, then no.

Well, we are all different but still the same, so people will gather in groups according their ideology or belief and eventually collide with other groups that don't hold the same values/ideology/etc. so, it's something bound to happen.

Well, either can begin wars, so what is the point of saying one is more "peace" oriented than the other. I know what the ideology that are behind each one imply when talking about peace or not, but it's still ideology, from there to reality there is a long way.



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There is no such thing as complete peace as long as there's life. Life means using the law of the strongest.

But I take it that your definition of 'peace' means no wars between two or more countries.
This might be possible, but highly unlikely.

I don't think the form of government has anything to do with peace.

As for terrorism, people are too stupid to believe the media. They are too quick to claim that it's an act of terrorism.

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Peace? Hmm...

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no its not possible. as long as people have individuality and can think for themselves conflict will always arise wether it be because of different beliefs or because someone did something that others dont agree with.

I agree with this. As long as us humans have the brains to think, have ideals, and the greed I hardly doubt that there'd be peace.

But, peace to me could also mean how I'm enjoying myself with few friend or family without any worries. Having no worries would really give me peace for myself. But, that's just me in denial of reality. smile
I think terrorism is the fact that people don't understand each others' beliefs and what not. People being people and expressing their ideas or following one's beliefs to cause casualties to the non-believers
Let's just get rid of humans as see what happens.

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No. Everyone will have things that they don't like. Everyone has things that annoy them. There will always be fights; whether on the smaller scale of 1 on 1 shouting matches, or the larger scale of country vs. country gun fights. Peace just isn't in the human nature. A few select individuals may achieve some sort of peace, but most of the human population won't. We will always fight, for supremacy, for power, or just because we don't like the other guy.

I don't think different governments or parties or whatever else have anything to do with it. As I've said, its just being human.

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no its not possible. as long as people have individuality and can think for themselves conflict will always arise whether it be because of different beliefs or because someone did something that others don't agree with.


war is part of our nature, fighting for better resources, chances in life ect.
we cant all agree on one thing, so we cant all have peace.
as long as our beliefs differ (which will always be so) we cant have peace.
wed all have to commit suicide for peace to happen

also, peace would be the most boring thing in the world. thered be no more competition and life would suck without that


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Quote from Streywolf
war is part of our nature, fighting for better recources, chances in life ect.
we cant all agree on one thing, so we cant all have peace.
as long as our beliefs differ (which will always be so) we cant have peace.
wed all have to commit suicide for peace to happen

Or just destroy the opposition.
Winner gets peace.


The answer would be no.
It's only humane to abuse power to reach
selfish goals.
The options of this poll are rather scarce
and it would seem that you can either be
a delusional optimistical dimwit, or a cynical
nihilist. Peace can exist, but it is not eternal.
It is not impossible for a peace to last
for some time, but it is just waiting to end,
like things in general, starting, ending and
leaving some space for the next thing in queue
to repeat the cycle.

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no. Too many different minds in the world, we all have different views of what peace is and how we would want to be in peace and everyone has different wants and needs etc.
History has shown us that no matter how honest,kind,intelligent a leader is, they have views that slowly distort in other people's eyes.
Unless we all suddenly turn into robots and are programmed to think with one mind - which is definitely NOT my idea of peace btw just saying.

However I refuse to believe war is an answer to problems either mad

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I think that the only kind of peace attainable is peace within yourself. Basically accepting and liking who you are. Hopefully one day we will be able to apply that to other people, not necessarily with the liking part, but at least acceptance of each other

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It's perfectly attainable, just kill everything.

Peace eyes

With nothing left to argue or bicker among each other, true peace can be achieved.

Most people probably won't agree with it though since it'll require them to die...

roll eyes (This is what you get for not asking peace among living creatures/humans bigrazz )

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Quote from greydrak
It's perfectly attainable, just kill everything.

Peace eyes

With nothing left to argue or bicker among each other, true peace can be achieved.

Most people probably won't agree with it though since it'll require them to die...

roll eyes (This is what you get for not asking peace among living creatures/humans bigrazz )



lol laugh

so true...

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hmm my life has been pretty peaceful. No worries for me but i highly doubt there will ever be peace for everyone on this earth. Because we are all individuals with different beliefs(religion is a barrier to peace really) and different views. Well we are just different. No indiviual is the same so its gonna be hard to reach a point where all 6 or so billion of us agree on the exact same thing. Terrorism, well that again dependz on which side you are on. if group A attacks group B, group B will label A as terrorists but group A will say that they are fighting for their beliefs and they are not terrorists so again depends on what side you are on. I believe this whole war on terrorism that americaz got going on is utter crap. Everyonez at fault even the americans and war and killing is in our nature. Hindus killing muslims in india, muslims blowing them up and attackig churches and what not and christians pretending to be all righteous and crap while secretly doing the same type of shit, same with the jews also. an endless cycle of opression and i strongly believe that the weak will always get opressed. Christians killing hundreds of muslims in the crusade, jewz dying by the hundreds in the holocaust, then Israel(jewish state) killing palestinians bombing the living shit out of them and muslims retaliating by blowing themselves up and taking other people with them. so yea my opinion is that religion is a big factor in all of this. anyways the thing is as other people said peace is not in our nature. we are all pretty selfish except a select few. I don't believe war is the solution and i have my doubts about diplomacy(seemz more like a show doesn't actually do much).

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peace is a state of mind.

it is possible to achieve peace by having no conflict with anyone, including the self.

every being in this world is always looking for peace, it is the ultimate goal of everyone's existence. however the path to this 'peace' is different for everyone. which is why we have acts of terrorism and wars.

government cannot provide peace to its people, it can only provide a place in which the people can find their own peace.

a good country will perhaps offer a better living standard so its citizens will have less obstacles in attaining their peace. a weak country might have a low living standard thus its citizens will have more obstacles in attaining their peace.

it is impossible for every being in this world to attain their peace at the same time. smile

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Quote from fr33noob
Quote from greydrak
It's perfectly attainable, just kill everything.

Peace eyes

With nothing left to argue or bicker among each other, true peace can be achieved.

Most people probably won't agree with it though since it'll require them to die...

roll eyes (This is what you get for not asking peace among living creatures/humans bigrazz )



lol laugh

so true...

False.

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Since we need at least 1 person for the concept peace to exist,
for it does not manifest in nature. If there are no humans, there is
no peace as if there are no humans, there is no classical music,
just something a human being would acknowledge to be classical music,
but a bat would find just an unexplainable nuisance, although the
classical music most likely never came to be if humans were not
to exist.

Peace is a definition made by humans,
therefore animals do not have such notions. For peace to exist in
praxis, you need two human beings. Both participants must share
the same view of not having aggressions against the other party
and such things that do not have self-awareness of higher level certainly
do not have the awareness of somebody else's self-awareness, even less
awareness of such abstracts as peace.

Although there are animals that might
have allies, such as primates, we are not to speak of peace,
since they have no clue what peace is,
they just do something that helps them surive, all instictively.
The peace we
discuss now has nothing to do with anti-aggression pacts of primates.
For there to be peace between them, there must be a human to say
that there is a peace between them. Apes just stick together for their
own good, not because they have a developed moral code.

We could compare peace with a Datsun 100A. It is perfectly possible
for a Datsun 100A to exist as substance without humans, assuming
Nissan hasn't lied to us and has actually made all Datsun 100A's out
out of human bodies. (Although it could still exist, since human bodies
are made of substances that also appear elsewhere besides human bodies,
but it would be another mystery how human bodies came to be without humans
and what exactly is Nissan, but that is not crucial now.)
That Datsun 100A however requires a human
being to classify it a Datsun 100A and of course that means that the
human must speak truth of what s/he sees. It is not a Nissan 140Y,
even if the human mistakes it to be one. Just like the alliance
between apes might be mistaken to be a peace, but is only something
that resembles something that we know and that thing is peace.
All those Datsun 100A's could
exist in the nature based on the atoms they consist of. It does not
require a human for those atoms to exist, although it requires a human
to create a Datsun 100A out of those atoms. Just like the alliance between
monkeys, Datsun 100A is there. It just is not a Datsun 100A if nobody ever
made the concept Datsun 100A and if nobody ever saw it as Datsun 100A,
although it still is identical to a Datsun 100A to us who know how Datsun 100A
looks.
It would just be a huge abomination that no being can explain,
assuming any being besides the inexistant humans could explain anything.

One cannot be in peace with hermit
crabs, since they are unable to form a coherent stance or any stance at all.
There is no peace between granite and peridotite. There however can be
a peace between two beings that posses self-awareness and enough
intelligence to understand the concept and practice of peace or
groups of such beings. Such beings can assume that there is a peace
between granite and peridotite, but that would not be true, only false belief,
as false as granite and peridotite actually possessing the conditions required
for peace, but not being able to comprehend the idea of peace, therefore
making peace inexistant.


Amen.

Although I doubt anybody who read this understood my point,
but just try it.
I tried to keep my thought as one and firm, but I wrote between lines
and it was hard to stop adding new material, so I ended up writing
even more of the sub-categories of sub-categories and so on and
leaving the main subject clouded for a while to myself.
Everything is still there however.

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