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Jennifer31
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8:42 am, Dec 16 2010
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I admittedly don't like shota/loli but i guess i don't view the manga itself as harmful.but then again even if these aren't real minors but only drawn some people might,who are into that kind of thing you know[real minors]may really get a lot out of it you know a real pervert.so in a way i do think they should be some regulations with that kind of content.but they're going to far in my opinion because it will probably escalate and cause other non porn series to be censored are edited to the point no will want to see them are read them because it'll be so much nit picking going on.so i don't agree with the bill.

kainord
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I think the best solution is that the publishers leave Tokyo. Then everyone is gona be happy until they realise how much money they lost because something so stupid like this law (tax income), than they erase this shit. This is like what the americans did in the 20's or 30's, forbidding the alcohol consume.
But really, Ishihara writes guro and rape novels? Books are way more dangerous than comics, because the reader imagines the story.

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Post #432217 - Reply to (#375046) by celestialradiance
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And let's take this in the context of japan, where people are getting arrested for sticking cameras in schools to videotape people. Where lolicon is actually having an impact on their society and not from your faraway perspective.

For you to say that, you assume those sick people are taking such actions due to the impact of reading or watching lolicon. However, you will have to run a test and a study. Such a statement holds no validity otherwise.

In your words, "let's take this in the context of america, where people are getting arrested for murdering and raping people. Where crime shows are actually having an impact on our society." I think it's about time to halt the broadcasting of television series and the publishing of stories and graphic novels.

My reply:
Click here for a study which shows that storks bring babies.

Similarly for manga/games depicting child rape in promoting rape-related crimes.

And doesn't the world already agree that the Japanese government is pretty screwed up?

Just my opinion.

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Post #432240 - Reply to (#432213) by Jennifer31
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Quote from Jennifer31
I admittedly don't like shota/loli but i guess i don't view the manga itself as harmful.but then again even if these aren't real minors but only drawn some people might,who are into that kind of thing you know[real minors]may really get a lot out of it you know a real pervert.so in a way i do think they should be some regulations with that kind of content.but they're going to far in my opinion because it will probably escalate and cause other non porn series to be censored are edited to the point no will want to see them are read them because it'll be so much nit picking going on.so i don't agree with the bill.


So put age restrictions on it. But don't ban and make it inaccessible to adults.

1) While research on whether reading about deviancy of this particular manner actually makes you a deviant (murderer, rapist, pedophile, etc) is scarce, the studies that do exist don't support that claim.

2) This is not an issue of morals but rather, it concerns personal liberties. People generally don't care when it doesn't effect them, but do care when it does. However, it will be too late then. How long is it going to take for them to start banning things which aren't fringe and consumed exclusively by "hardcore deviants"? Last I remember, one of the series they were seriously considering banning (on their long lists) was Neon Genesis Evangelion due to it containing sexually suggestive materials with minors. People should care even if it doesn't directly affect them, but just as I pointed it, it may already affect them and they may just be oblivious to its effects :/.

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2:59 pm, Dec 16 2010
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Personally, I think that this bill will do more damage than good.

Should it be passed, I'd say eventually those who persistently opposed against it will find a way to "technically side step" the crime. In a way it's actually encouraging people to be more "crafty" instead.

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3:15 pm, Dec 16 2010
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I can´t believe this... when I first heard this I thought to myself that the people would not pass this because is part of their culture and, don´t forget, their income...
I hope the people in Japan fight this ridiculous thing, I help from the Internet as long as I can...or something like that....
Well wonder if their gonna leave Tokyo for good...or the other alternative is do what Akamatsu Ken is doing, post the manga online and pay for it Crunchyroll style...
Please (put deity your liking) don´t let the future be dark...in anime, manga and games no

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Them worrying about the welfare of Japanese Youths is bullshit.

The best way to raise children is exposure and guidance,n ot sheltering them from the truths of the world.

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Them worrying about the welfare of Japanese Youths is bullshit.

The best way to raise children is exposure and guidance,n ot sheltering them from the truths of the world.


Then we'd all be vikings or f4gg0!5, "hey kids this is how you rape", or "hey kids this is how two men have gay buttsex"

Censorship makes sense with kids because they aren't mature enough yet to understand what they are doing. I'm not for banning any type of manga but selling certain ones as 18+ isn't a bad thing. You assume that parents have the ability to control the exposure that their child has or guide them to exactly how they want to be.

Another GOOD reason to restrict such manga would be to limit the amount of damn Otaku in Japan. Japan has an aging population which is supported by entitlements that the working class pay for; Western Europe has a very similar problem, there are too many damn old people for how many young people there are because people are not getting married, not having kids, or getting married too late. Without young people working to pay for the entitlements of the old and having more children for their entitlements to be paid when they retire Japan will CRUMBLE. Any logical/decent law that helps reduce the amount of "dirty tissues" as they are in manga and increase the amount of knocked up women would dramatically help Japan's future. roll eyes

Too bad the Japanese are even worse than American lawmakers when it comes to borrowing money, they eat through cash so fast it's ridiculous, within the next 10 years, if Japan doesn't get it's shit together it's gonna be the next Greece.

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Then we'd all be vikings or f4gg0!5, "hey kids this is how you rape", or "hey kids this is how two men have gay buttsex"

Censorship makes sense with kids because they aren't mature enough yet to understand what they are doing. I'm not for banning any type of manga but selling certain ones as 18+ isn't a bad thing. You assume that parents have the ability to control the exposure that their child has or guide them to exactly how they want to be.


You're misunderstanding what I said. I didn't mean intentionally and purposefully explaining the "ins and outs" of rape or other similar topics to children out of no where. I meant leaving such things "in existence" (not banning or prohibiting materials depicting such things) and properly explaining things when they do stumble upon it or ask about it.

Children aren't as developed mentally but that doesn't mean they're stupid.

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Well I'm a conservative so I'd say that it makes sense for such a bill to be in place but only if the people wish it. This type of manga is probably so embedded in society already that the result would probably be the same as prohibition of alcohol in america; it won't change a thing except make a large portion of the population criminals. If this is going to be voted on it should be a proposition or measure on a ballot voted directly by the people that live in that city/district/country. Not sure if they do that in Japan. In order for something to be changed at the core of society the people need to bring that change not a few hundred lawmakers many of which have their heads in very dark and smelly places.

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Post #432392 - Reply to (#432300) by Mushu
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Them worrying about the welfare of Japanese Youths is bullshit.
Censorship makes sense with kids because they aren't mature enough yet to understand what they are doing. I'm not for banning any type of manga but selling certain ones as 18+ isn't a bad thing. You assume that parents have the ability to control the exposure that their child has or guide them to exactly how they want to be.


Most adults aren't mature enough yet to understand what they are doing. I don't think hiding the issues from people until many years after they've hit puberty (and often have become sexually active, as well) will make things any better. Furthermore, you trust parents to properly educate their children? That's rather... optimistic... of you.

Mushu
Post #432395 - Reply to (#432392) by QuasarX
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Them worrying about the welfare of Japanese Youths is bullshit.
Censorship makes sense with kids because they aren't mature enough yet to understand what they are doing. I'm not for banning any type of manga but selling certain ones as 18+ isn't a bad thing. You assume that parents have the ability to control the exposure that their child has or guide them to exactly how they want to be.


Most adults aren't mature enough yet to understand what they are doing. I don't think hiding the issues from people until many years after they've hit puberty (and often have become sexually active, as well) will make things any better. Furthermore, you trust parents to properly educate their children? That's rather... optimistic... of you.


I was actually insinuating that parents these days aren't that good with my comment on how they can't control their children and their upbringing if you read that again. As I've said before I think it's the actual people that should decide this stuff not some politicans that are probably too old to even reproduce without the aid of medication. laugh

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Post #432407 - Reply to (#432395) by Mushu
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Quote from Mushu
I was actually insinuating that parents these days aren't that good with my comment on how they can't control their children and their upbringing if you read that again. As I've said before I think it's the actual people that should decide this stuff not some politicans that are probably too old to even reproduce without the aid of medication. laugh


Ah, I see it now. Although, really, I think that parents who try to control their children are taking a bad approach to parenting. That "control" can ever only reach as far as the parents can, which is not everywhere and will not last forever. Also, if children grow up being taught what to think rather than how to think, they will not be able to adapt to situations that the parents didn't account for... or worse, will be taught to act in certain ways that may seem to make sense in most situations, but could go horribly wrong in others. Rather, I'd advocate empowering and guiding children to be able to make good decisions for themselves. Some parents already do this, but many do not. Schools could also do this, but rarely seem to (often supported by the argument that children are too young to learn, despite the fact that children seem to be much faster at learning than adults).

Also, if you mean to say that the decision should be left up to the people en masse, then I would question exactly how qualified the average person is to be making that kind of decision... I would feel much more comfortable leaving the decision to a group of qualified experts rather than your "average Joe".

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Post #432453 - Reply to (#432300) by Mushu
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4:32 am, Dec 17 2010
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[quote=Mushu]
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within the next 10 years, if Japan doesn't get it's shit together it's gonna be the next Greece.



Not really. If things get really bad Japan would more likely be the next Zimbabwe. Japan's economy is so damn big that not even a united front of the G8, EU and BrIC nations could bail Japan out. Although I guess you could leave the EU out too, because without the EU countries already in the G8 (Germany, Britain, France and Italy) the EU doesn't really have a lot of financial muscle anyways.

m0u5e
Post #432456 - Reply to (#432300) by Mushu
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4:37 am, Dec 17 2010
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Quote from Mushu
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Them worrying about the welfare of Japanese Youths is bullshit.

The best way to raise children is exposure and guidance,n ot sheltering them from the truths of the world.


Then we'd all be vikings or f4gg0!5, "hey kids this is how you rape", or "hey kids this is how two men have gay buttsex"

Censorship makes sense with kids because they aren't mature enough yet to understand what they are doing. I'm not for banning any type of manga but selling certain ones as 18+ isn't a bad thing. You assume that parents have the ability to control the exposure that their child has or guide them to exactly how they want to be.

Another GOOD reason to restrict such manga would be to limit the amount of damn Otaku in Japan. Japan has an aging population which is supported by entitlements that the working class pay for; Western Europe has a very similar problem, there are too many damn old people for how many young people there are because people are not getting married, not having kids, or getting married too late. Without young people working to pay for the entitlements of the old and having more children for their entitlements to be paid when they retire Japan will CRUMBLE. Any logical/decent law that helps reduce the amount of "dirty tissues" as they are in manga and increase the amount of knocked up women would dramatically help Japan's future. roll eyes

Too bad the Japanese are even worse than American lawmakers when it comes to borrowing money, they eat through cash so fast it's ridiculous, within the next 10 years, if Japan doesn't get it's shit together it's gonna be the next Greece.



Where the heck are you getting your information?

These so called "Otaku" you speak of actually represent a good portion of Japan's GDP. They aren't the "neets" or jobless the media portrays them to be. On average, Otaku have higher than average earning wages. It's their right to choose what they spend it on.

I personally feel that parents should choose whether or not to allow their children to be exposed to these influences. They are free to propose age limits, but don't ban it all together for the general public. People like you should not be allowed to impose rights on others. It's your personal choice whether you want to consume this material, but don't force others to be just like you.

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