Have seen many threads on multiple forums about god, but all of them is about what is and what is not.

What i wanted to ask is what god is, what is it god represents and i dont mean philosophically?

What it is that it is atheists finds so unbelievable about god and always this about that there is no prof but what would acceptable proofe look like?

When you think about good what is it you see or what dont you see?

Hope my question will make sense for at least some of you, will be intresting seing what people think if they will answer at all

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Gods and demons are beings (humans included) with power/technology that can't be explained with the current scienctific level. So basically if you take some technology and travel back in time, you would be either a god or a demon for the people. Currently there is no such beings on earth (not that I know ) so I don't believe in god or demons.

To some it's something thing that is greater then humans. To some it's something greater to anything comprehend-able. Our galaxy might as well be an atom on god's ass or maybe it's a table leg somewhere. If a god "creator of everything" exists everything would be easier to explain. Or maybe infinity just loops. This is the way I see it.

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God is something that may or may not exist that may or may not by everything and anything

Are we talking Christianity here?

The Christian God is an idea that's mutated a great deal over time. How that idea developed to what we have today is really quite interesting - fire up Wikipedia and have a look early Judaism, Caanite religion, and general stuff on the ancient Semitic religions.

So yes - God is an idea - a meme that's survive for millennia, changing when it needs to in order to survive in a new cultural climate. This is self-evident when you look at history from an objective perspective.


Acceptable proof of God ... well, that's going to be hard. Given that God seems unwilling or unable to really intervene on the world under circumstances that can be taken as evidence, there isn't a lot that can be done there. A working theory where God is in some way necessary to exist in the world/universe would be handy - but then we're no longer talking about the 'Christian God' ... or, we are, but we're talking about a new mutation of it that's adapted itself for the modern scientific age. In any case, such a theory would at least help stopping God from being dismissed out of hand via Occam's Razor.

But yeah - at the moment atheists don't even need to disprove anything. We can just go 'there's no evidence for that, and there's no reason to believe that such a being exists, so we can conclude it doesn't', and that's that. I don't imagine it's possible to develop a useful God-requiring theory at this point - physics has dug pretty deep and most of the fundamental stuff is pretty well accounted for, which leaves very little place for a God to do anything.

I don't agree with that, psysic is in its "baby stage" there are millions of questions. For example what is dark matter or dark flow or dark energy and why does we lose 21 gram after we die ? Is it our soul ? Our physics fundament is vague and based only on theory and this fundament can be destroyed by every new discovery.

I'm sure we don't.

Well there's all that air and fluids in your lungs that comes out after you croak.

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Hmm, well, let me rephrase a bit:
Physics (and the hard sciences in general) have answered enough questions about the things that 'God did it' used to be the standard answer for that there is very little point in explaining what we don't currently understand by using God. Dark matter certainly doesn't require the existence of God to explain, and neither would losing weight upon death (though I'm pretty sure that's false) - these are things that I'm fairly certain we'll have solid explanations for when we're able to answer them that don't involve any supernatural entities.

The only place I can see God being even viable to insert in a 'God did it' fashion is the 'well what caused the Big Bang' question, and that's so far removed from the conception of a God that takes an active part in the world that it basically excludes the Christian God (unless heavily redefined - which I guess is happening - ideas need to adapt to survive). And even then ... using God as an explanation there is entirely unnecessary and not really rational. 'Don't multiply entities unnecessarily'.

And please - don't fall into the misconception of 'only theory'. A scientific theory has evidence behind it - ideas without evidence are called 'hypotheses'. Yes - the entire of our scientific understanding could be changed if something new is discovered - but in many cases that's ... well, highly unlikely, to say the least. Atomic theory, evolutionary theory, relativity, etc. - this stuff isn't going to get displaced in any major way, though more and more things will be added to them. Theoretical physics like string theory might fall apart, but the rest of it is pretty much adequate to explain how the universe, the world, and humanity came to be, and the rest is filling in the details.

... and of course, compare these theories to the hypothesis that 'God did it', and it should be pretty obvious which one of these doesn't hold up.

good question.
God is a being that lives outside this universe.. doesn't live in any other universe, which mean that God is outside any time space and space space of anywhere which mean that God does not effect to any law of physic. if u want to describe God in "physic science" term would be 'indescribable' (how could we? a being that lives their life under the law of physic describe something like that)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncan_MacDougall_(doctor) this is the experiment, it is just a hypothesis.


If the experiment is true, than it happens just after you die. Air and fluids comes out, but it takes time.

@Aikanaro you missunderstood me a bit, I am atheist and not foolish to explain the things we don't understand with "Gods power". What I wanna say is that there are to many unanswered questions to deny or to accept a existence of a higher being.

Its forced down our throats. Its a being of higher power that lives beyond human reach. It is hope for some. It is a figment of ancient imagination conjured up to contain society. It is an excuse to perform immoral acts. It is a bearded, muscular man. It is part of our childhood. It is one of many, or alone.
God is many things, to many people.

To me, well, I don't really give a shit.

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"God" (the word) is pretty much the only thing that connects all those that are, or can be, called god. You can't define god when it means so many different things. That name's the same for them for one reason because when Christianity spread, they adapted the old names for deities or spirits or something for it.

You can't really define a god, because it refers to a complete different kind of being in different religions and beliefs.


Yeah, but who's confirmed it? If it really works, why is there only one person who's tried it? I'm not saying it's wrong, it's just not convincing.

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