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Post #402462 - Reply to (#402390) by baylee
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So you're just gonna ignore his passion for manga?
Seriously, WTF. You make it sound like you've got him all figured out.
The world is not as bad as you see it. There are good, passionate people and talented people out there. Not everyone's a money hungering asshat.


When did I say I was ignoring his passion for manga? I'm just saying money is more important than passion at the end of the day. It's obvious that you need a passion for manga to write a great manga, but do you think he can live on passion alone? No. You need money to live. How is saying money is more important being an asshat? Don't be so narrow-minded. I also find it funny you think you have him all figured out. Hypocrite much? Are you his best friend in real life? No, you aren't so why do you think your views about him are more important than mines?

Hypocrite? Perhaps, but at least I don't view him in a negative way.
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All that text and you end it...by nullifying your own statements.
You admit that you're spouting wishful thinking, so why defend yourself?


Yeah after reading the last chapter, it's probably wishful thinking. I wasn't defending myself, I'm just saying some of the reasons why you listed aren't valid reasons on why she wouldn't join. Why do you think I quoted you?

So perhaps ONE reason - which is that she's too powerful, is invalid, but that still doesn't change the fact that it would mess with the chemistry of the crew - something I've explained already.
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Also, a point of argument I'd like to bring up is that Boa has no "dream"...other than to be with Luffy - which is awesome and all, but it shouldn't be considered as "important".
Every member of the Mugiwara crew has their own goal and they're all significantly bigger than that of Boa's.


Not a dream that has been discussed yet since it's been all about ace, but how is brook's goal of meeting an old friend significantly bigger than boa's "I want to marry luffy" dream. Keyword is significantly bigger here. Meeting a Whale Vs Marriage, umm... It's obvious that if she does join, that wouldn't be her dream, but even if it was, I don't see how meeting an old friend is significantly bigger than marriage. Her dream would probably be something like "I want to free all the slaves in the world" or something along those lines.

And you're quick to call me narrow minded?
Yes, ultimately, Brook's "dream" will lead him back to Laboon, but his main goal is to carry the will Rumbar Pirates and continue to travel the Grand Line - all while carrying the tone dial so that Laboon will be able to listen to the crew's final wish.
So all in all, he's not just doing it for himself, he's doing it for his whole crew and nakama.
Does that sound significantly bigger to you now?

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Wouldn't it just be boring if she joined? :/ I mean, her fights wouldn't really be exciting at all. And I highly doubt that her power to turn the ones who fall in love with her into stone aren't going work on the "big guys" in the New World.

That's what I basically said, but OP is too stuck with his delusions.

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Hypocrite? Perhaps, but at least I don't view him in a negative way

Are you actually reading what I'm typing? When did I call him trash or viewed him in a negative way? I don't see how me saying he probably thinks money is more important than his passion is bashing him. I think it's normal that someone prefer money over passion. If there was no money involved, One Piece would not exist. Do you honestly believe any mangaka would draw for free? Especially 597 chapters? All I'm saying is money is more important than his passion for Manga. I'm not bashing him. Aren't you the one being negative here thinking that just because I said he prefer money is bashing him?

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So perhaps ONE reason - which is that she's too powerful, is invalid, but that still doesn't change the fact that it would mess with the chemistry of the crew - something I've explained already.

Yeah because as soon as everyone joins, the chemistry is great. Right? WRONG. You're just assuming how it'll go. What about when Robin joined? Luffy and Sanji was the only one that was OK with it at the time and she slowly grew on them. I don't see why boa hancock (except for luffy) can't hate everyone at first then slowly open up to everyone (like after everyone saves her from her sad past). I think it would be more interesting and fun that way. We won't know how the chemistry will work until Oda decides on how it'll go.

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And you're quick to call me narrow minded?
Yes, ultimately, Brook's "dream" will lead him back to Laboon, but his main goal is to carry the will Rumbar Pirates and continue to travel the Grand Line - all while carrying the tone dial so that Laboon will be able to listen to the crew's final wish.
So all in all, he's not just doing it for himself, he's doing it for his whole crew and nakama.
Does that sound significantly bigger to you now?

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Also, a point of argument I'd like to bring up is that Boa has no "dream"...other than to be with Luffy

Yeah, if you add all the details, it does sound significantly bigger than boa's dream of "marrying Luffy". Right now, we don't know have much details about boa's dream at the moment and both of us are just speculating what her dreams and goals are. It's obvious that if Boa Hancock joins the crew, "marrying Luffy" wouldn't be her dream. It'll be something related to her past, Tenryubito, or slaves in general most likely. We don't know at the moment. So saying Boa Hancock has no dream (other than something related to Luffy) is being narrow-minded.



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Wouldn't it just be boring if she joined? :/ I mean, her fights wouldn't really be exciting at all. And I highly doubt that her power to turn the ones who fall in love with her into stone aren't going work on the "big guys" in the New World.

That's what I basically said, but OP is too stuck with his delusions.

Well you never know, it seems like there's a "cast" time on her turning people into stones so it should be easy to avoid unless you're somewhat weak Plus Oda has made it clear that everyone in the New World is going to be extremely strong, so maybe it won't work on them. Who knows. Even the vice admiral that was escorting Boa Hancock to the war knew how to avoid being turned into stone, so I don't see why the super strong guys who are a lot stronger in the new world won't be able to avoid it. Which means she'll need to depend on her other moves such as her "pistol kiss" move and her haki. I mean if her turning to stone move worked on everyone, she would be the strongest person in the world. Anyways, It'll be more fun to watch than watching Nico Robin fight.




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Hypocrite? Perhaps, but at least I don't view him in a negative way

Are you actually reading what I'm typing? When did I call him trash or viewed him in a negative way? I don't see how me saying he probably thinks money is more important than his passion is bashing him. I think it's normal that someone prefer money over passion. If there was no money involved, One Piece would not exist. Do you honestly believe any mangaka would draw for free? Especially 597 chapters? All I'm saying is money is more important than his passion for Manga. I'm not bashing him. Aren't you the one being negative here thinking that just because I said he prefer money is bashing him?

No, I'm saying you don't know him, I don't know him - no one know him better than he does. You can't just say stuff like "he only does it for the money". It's just demeaning his work.
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Yeah because as soon as everyone joins, the chemistry is great. Right? WRONG. You're just assuming how it'll go. What about when Robin joined? Luffy and Sanji was the only one that was OK with it at the time and she slowly grew on them. I don't see why boa hancock (except for luffy) can't hate everyone at first then slowly open up to everyone (like after everyone saves her from her sad past). I think it would be more interesting and fun that way. We won't know how the chemistry will work until Oda decides on how it'll go.

Obviously you didn't read one of my previous posts.
Go back a page and scroll up a few times will ya?

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And you're quick to call me narrow minded?
Yes, ultimately, Brook's "dream" will lead him back to Laboon, but his main goal is to carry the will Rumbar Pirates and continue to travel the Grand Line - all while carrying the tone dial so that Laboon will be able to listen to the crew's final wish.
So all in all, he's not just doing it for himself, he's doing it for his whole crew and nakama.
Does that sound significantly bigger to you now?

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Also, a point of argument I'd like to bring up is that Boa has no "dream"...other than to be with Luffy

Yeah, if you add all the details, it does sound significantly bigger than boa's dream of "marrying Luffy". Right now, we don't know have much details about boa's dream at the moment and both of us are just speculating what her dreams and goals are. It's obvious that if Boa Hancock joins the crew, "marrying Luffy" wouldn't be her dream. It'll be something related to her past, Tenryubito, or slaves in general most likely. We don't know at the moment. So saying Boa Hancock has no dream (other than something related to Luffy) is being narrow-minded.

Wow...just wow.
So let me get this straight.
Lets say, Boa decides to rid of all slavery/Tenryubito. Sure, that's fair enough, but is it really necessary for her to join the crew to do that? Would it really be logical for her to leave her people vulnerable while she goes off on some adventure? Do you think Luffy would even ACCEPT that?

The strawhats will eventually battle against the world government - Tenryubito and all, but Boa has no NEED to tag along with their adventures just to eventually get to that point. She could just tag in for that fight when the time comes while protecting her island.
Oh, and before you bring up the "but the Kuja pirates are so powerful" argument -NO.
A battle between one island of amazon warriors + 2 zoan types VS a Buster Call would end VERY quickly - haki or no haki.
I'm not being narrow minded. I'm just thinking.

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Wouldn't it just be boring if she joined? :/ I mean, her fights wouldn't really be exciting at all. And I highly doubt that her power to turn the ones who fall in love with her into stone aren't going work on the "big guys" in the New World.

That's what I basically said, but OP is too stuck with his delusions.

Well you never know, it seems like there's a "cast" time on her turning people into stones so it should be easy to avoid unless you're somewhat weak Plus Oda has made it clear that everyone in the New World is going to be extremely strong, so maybe it won't work on them. Who knows. Even the vice admiral that was escorting Boa Hancock to the war knew how to avoid being turned into stone, so I don't see why the super strong guys who are a lot stronger in the new world won't be able to avoid it. Which means she'll need to depend on her other moves such as her "pistol kiss" move and her haki. I mean if her turning to stone move worked on everyone, she would be the strongest person in the world. Anyways, It'll be more fun to watch than watching Nico Robin fight.

I'll admit, she WOULD be more fun to watch...but my argument still stands.

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Wow...just wow.
So let me get this straight.
Lets say, Boa decides to rid of all slavery/Tenryubito. Sure, that's fair enough, but is it really necessary for her to join the crew to do that? Would it really be logical for her to leave her people vulnerable while she goes off on some adventure? Do you think Luffy would even ACCEPT that?

The strawhats will eventually battle against the world government - Tenryubito and all, but Boa has no NEED to tag along with their adventures just to eventually get to that point. She could just tag in for that fight when the time comes while protecting her island.
Oh, and before you bring up the "but the Kuja pirates are so powerful" argument -NO.
A battle between one island of amazon warriors + 2 zoan types VS a Buster Call would end VERY quickly - haki or no haki.
I'm not being narrow minded. I'm just thinking.


What if she was forced to leave? She helped Luffy get into Impel down, got smoker off of Luffy and openly admit Luffy was her beloved, destroyed a Pacifista, etc.. Do you think she would get to keep her title of Shichibukai after helping the son of Dragon? There were witnesses during the war when she helped Luffy after all. If they do more research, the government will find out that she's connected to the impel down incident. I honestly don't see how she can keep her title after all of that unless Oda plays it cheap and make Boa Hancock say something like "I can be forgiven because I am beautiful."

If her title is gone, the Island would be attacked. From what I've seen, Boa Hancock is the only one on the Island with a bounty so wouldn't it be better if she's gone? If she was forced to leave the Island with her title of Shichibukai gone, where would she go? Most likely with Luffy, along with her dream. Also, she still has a love sickness disease which means she has to follow Luffy or else she dies. Although with the latest chapter and Rayleigh asking boa not to see Luffy while he's training during the two years, I'm not so sure about this anymore so either the disease is already cured (unlikely), she's secretly watching Luffy from a distance, she doesn't listen to Rayleigh, or it's okay as long as she's near Luffy.





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What if she was forced to leave? She helped Luffy get into Impel down, got smoker off of Luffy and openly admit Luffy was her beloved, destroyed a Pacifista, etc.. Do you think she would get to keep her title of Shichibukai after helping the son of Dragon? There were witnesses during the war when she helped Luffy after all. If they do more research, the government will find out that she's connected to the impel down incident. I honestly don't see how she can keep her title after all of that unless Oda plays it cheap and make Boa Hancock say something like "I can be forgiven because I am beautiful."

Somehow...I knew you were gonna bring up that line again.
You seem to forget that she was LOVESICK at the time. She was practically also a different person not to mention that she was still quite a bitch since she had only just met Luffy.

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If her title is gone, the Island would be attacked. From what I've seen, Boa Hancock is the only one on the Island with a bounty so wouldn't it be better if she's gone? If she was forced to leave the Island with her title of Shichibukai gone, where would she go? Most likely with Luffy, along with her dream. Also, she still has a love sickness disease which means she has to follow Luffy or else she dies. Although with the latest chapter and Rayleigh asking boa not to see Luffy while he's training during the two years, I'm not so sure about this anymore so either the disease is already cured (unlikely), she's secretly watching Luffy from a distance, she doesn't listen to Rayleigh, or it's okay as long as she's near Luffy.

I won't be surprised if she doesn't lose her Shichibukai status. They get away with so much shit - and from the sound of "The Five Elder Stars" and the Generals in the past few chapters, it doesn't seem like she's going anywhere - in fact it sounds more like they're desperate to fill in those 4 spots left open after the war.

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I think she could join. A lot of you guys are over thinking this.

If Oda wanted to make Boa a crew member he could do it easily. Something as simple as the government destroying Amazon Island to get revenge on Boa for helping Luffy would supply the motivation for joining the crew while eliminating the whole "leader of her people" business. Oda doesn't even need to establish the reason right away. We didn't find out about Robin's story until after she joined the crew.

At the end, it comes down to Oda's feelings. He's taking a month long break, I'm sure he'll think about any new additions to the crew during that time.

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I would like to see Boa chase Luffy throughout the new world: as well as having the intent to kill Nami (jealousy) and claiming Luffy as her own.

However I think Jimbei is going to join the crew. He promised Ace to take care of him and if he joins he can be the lifeguard who fetch's luffy, chopper, and brooke. It would be cool if both Jimbei and Boa joined the crew.



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I agree with scyfon on this. Boa chanes of joining are slim. She has way too much baggage holding her back. Plus the WG still needs her as a Shichibukai, especially after the war. They lost a lot members for the Shichibukai, so they wouldn't risk losing anymore of the little they have left.

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its useless to make her join the crew... luffy needs people inside the WG and she's a good link. Beside smoker who will later help luffy in the last ark.

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Just for fun, I found this on another forum:

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Is this possible foreshadowing?
If Hancock does join the Straw Hat pirates then the following were foreshadowing:


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Chapter 97 - similar to Hancock's attire during the war. Pretty much how the one on the right was similar to Robin's attire and we all know that she eventually joined


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Chapter 489 - Boa Hancock is being compared to the Mermaid Princess. Now we all know at some point in the story they're gonna go to Fishman Island and how can the crew(esp. Sanji and Brook) make a fair comparison of Hancock and Memaid Princess if Hancock isn't with them?


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Chapter 516 - The cover page of her first appearance. It was the crew's first appearance in the story and coincidentally Hancock makes her first appearance here too.


The significance of Kuja
Kuja means 9 from what I read, coincidentally if Hancock joins she will be the ninth member of the crew. Now Oda could have picked any name to name the tribe she was from but why Kuja?



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Hmm, that kind of reminds me of those 9-11 conspiracy things...then again Oda does seem to be thinking ahead, so who knows

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Wouldn't it just be boring if she joined? :/ I mean, her fights wouldn't really be exciting at all. And I highly doubt that her power to turn the ones who fall in love with her into stone are going work on the "big guys" in the New World.


She doesn't need and doesn't seem to use the use Mero Mero Merrow for the most part of the WB War at all to kick ass, she can kick ass fine with just haki and Perfume Femur and against "big guys" who I'm assuming like Yonkou and their crew, it wasn't suppose to be an easy battle for anyone, but against New World fodder pirates,she's already wipe the floor with them.

As for the reason of her being too strong for the crew right now, I wonder about that after the 2 yrs time skip and the same can be apply to every other reason, 2 yrs is a long time in One Piece since the manga timeline itself haven't even reach 2 yrs yet and a lot of things can happens.

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I really hope that Luffy and Boa get married over the time skip, that would make for the perfect Chichi experience in One Piece lol

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I really hope that Luffy and Boa get married over the time skip, that would make for the perfect Chichi experience in One Piece lol

How can he, when they're not supposed to meet during those 2 years he's spending training on that isle?

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Yeah I think the Boa Hancock will join Luffy's Strawhats but not before Luffy does something drastic again. >.<

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