Man I would like to know where people hear this stuff. It's true that the chances of the offspring having a genetic disorder is increased but the disorder is not growing extra appendages or freakish physical disorder. The disorder would be just some recessive disastrous trait and only becomes obvious after many generations have passed down by inbreeding.

Evolution is just a blanket term, its a process of sequential change overtime. If you think biologically we evolved to remove inbreeding traits well you are wrong, if anything its our morals that evolved overtime to accept that inbreeding is a taboo, but this does not make it wrong either just we as a society accept it as something that should not be done. I've had many arguments about morals and I would suggest many of you who are interested in philosophy of morals to read David Hume's work especially his "Is–ought problem".

I have many sisters and a brother, I like incest themed stories and I don't feel weird about it or find anything weird about incest or any other moral taboos.

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I have siblings and have never been attracted to them. (cousins are a different case though ) However, I have to admit, personally I find incest less repulsive than same sex romance.

Anyways, was just going to say there have been cases in real life where siblings have fallen in love, some even make it to News and the Papers. So, while I dont feel attracted to my siblings, I dont necessarily dislike the term. I dont know how people get attracted to their siblings as I sure can never even think of it but I dont really get freaked out by the term.

My grandparents were first cousins BTW and they fell in love, had no retards in the family as far as I know. In my country cousin marriages arent illegal but its never encouraged and people generally look down on that sort of pairs. But I have seen quite a few cousin relationships in real life (and not only in my country).

Actually, it seems that in RL most siblings
who fall in love are those who've been separated at a young age.
They didn't grow up together, so they don't view each other as brother and sister,
yet some "connection" remains.

As for the question of "what's with it" -
It's regarded as forbidden love - something that is always popular.

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I think it's just plain wrong, something sick must've gotten into their minds if they're sexually attracted to their siblings. Unless of course they were separated and didn't get the "sibling" feeling. But that becomes wrong when they start "getting it on"

Why is it wrong? Cos either society, religion or law says so.

Sure I might be sexually attracted to some sister I have which I don't know of, but when I realize she's my sister, I'd be like "What Teh ****?"

Our values determined by the society we raised in, if a person raised in a society of outlaws, naturally he would taken the ways of the outlaws as the ultimate ways of his life. The point is dont judge others when u dont know the whole truth, for us it might be sick but maybe not for them.

In the end of day how do you know which one is right and which one us wrong, prejudices only serves to make humankind more and more hypocrites. Is a son of a killer worthy of being picked because of his father's sin? Society says incest is wrong, is it ultimately wrong? Is loving a sins? Loving the wrong person doesn't always happens in incest, it happens in cheating also, but why do society think its better than that of incest? Human are stupid, perverted and unjust race (yes, including myself), why does 2 wrong things can be treated differently (incest and cheating) when both are equally wrong? In what ways does cheating better than incest?

I'd say human are unfair, cause the very foundation of society itselfs, the one we called norm are easily swayed and changed according to our needs, if you want to says they are sick than do the equal thing to all other perverted people who do wrong things in relationship (same sex marriage, cheating, raping, etc) dont just condemn incest relationship and close your eyes to all other things.

Personally i am disgusted with human (including myself) for being a hypocrite a**ho***, who judged right when they like it and wrong when they hate it. And the above comment is what i hate the most, bashing others without thinking, just cause you think u're right doesn't necessarily means u're right, others might think differently, again it depends on the society values we were thought while we grow up. Before bashing others try learning the whole truth first, some are worthy being bashed some are not.

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Labeling something is absolutely right or wrong isn't my thing, so I won't do it. IMO, in real life, I may feel sympathy for incest/same sex married with love involved. And while incest/same sex married with love involved may not disturbing me, rape is absolutely disgusting and a crime to me.

About incest in manga, because all of it involve forbidden love, and imaginary creations won't hurt a thing of me, so who cares?

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Westermarck effect.

It's just a story about something that doesn't (or rarely) happens in real life. And besides, who cares? As long as they don't procreate and even then there is only a 1:4 chance that the offspring would be mentally or in some other way challenged.

there is no risk whatsoever that the child would be damaged in any way from a sibling relationship

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the thing that could get passed on to a larger degree is if the parents have some disease that both the children then carry and then they in turn transfer it without thining it out from an other humans genepool...but thats like 10-100lines down with continueing inbreeding before it gets to be a problem

the idea that humans would become retarded or ill in some ways is just rumours born from disgust at the very idea


sibling love in mainstream manga is just the fasion of the times
some years ago it was Loli
and some years before that we had
Shoujo ai/Yuri

and whats with the hate
we all have dark moments when we think...unpure thoughts... diffrence is some ppl addmit it others hide in shame and disgust even on faceless internetboards

Seems like someone doesn't know how to take a joke.

Whoever said I was right? If you like it go ahead read as much incest manga as you like. DIY for all I care.

As for the more serious part of the discussion, religion (generally) says incest is wrong, society (all I know of) shuns incest and law.... well I'm not a lawyer so I don't know. If a certain society promotes incest, what sort of truth might they hold to justify their actions?

If no one knows who is right or who is wrong at the end of the day. Is being indecisive any better? That's why we make ourselves believe we've done the right thing. If no one knows right from wrong, then no one knows wrong from right. Then people can only assume whether certain things are right or wrong. Thus we ourselves based on others and judge others based on ourselves. If there is no "objective truth" then we'll have to make do with "subjective truth" a.k.a. society's norms, values, religion, law, etc.

If a kid is picked on cos his father is a killer, the perpetrator either :
- wants to be the next target on the hit list
- has some issues with superiority and bullies the kid with "son of Kira" being the excuse

Stupidity never ceases to amaze me. At where I come from, some chick became pres cos she's the daughter of the dude who claimed independence. She was not a very bright chick.

If incest and adultery are equally wrong, then judge them equally wrong. Lash out your indecision on the net and you'll be a laughing stock.

Is loving a sin? Not in any religion I know of.

The thing which makes incest what it is, is the sexuality. I'm gonna assume love and "that" different. That's why lovin' yo sista' aint wrong.

If you're part of the society which punishes incest and adultery differently, BE a part of the society, change it. Whining on mangaupdates doesn't help.

Humans are unfair? Guess what, you're one of them.

Norms are easily swayed? Of course they are easily swayed, that's cos they stand on our shoulders and we worship them, should we be tired of one of them, we start worshipping another. Norms are products of our mind, and as products, they serve US, we don't submit to them.

Why are you bringing up homosexuality, adultery and rape? The topic here is incest. But since you've stated it, I'll go along anyway. The first thing is, fix up your English and maybe I'd be able to make a fitting answer to the following :



But I'll just have to try to fill in the blanks and assume that you're trying to say :
"If you wanna say incest is wrong, then say homosexuality, adultery, and rape are wrong too"

Well umm....like....the topic is obviously incest, not "the not so straight side of you know what"

If I were to order them according to the increase of perversion, I'd make em Adultery - Incest - Rape - Homosexuality (Yes, I really don't like the queer)

Sheesh, this is gonna move to 18+ if it keeps going on.

Judging right when one is fitting and judging wrong when otherwise? That's called utilitarian, in a world where no one can guarantee the morally right, we base our decisions on experience in human relations and such and such. Being angsty doesn't help you in making decisions.

My comment is what you hate most? Hate with all your heart, I dare you.

Just because I assume I'm right it doesn't necessarily mean I'm right. Right? That's why we have optimism, so we think we're right, reduce cognitive dissonance and gain more peace (or reduce the chaos) in our mind.

Others think differently? You can think you're the messiah and I wont give a damn.

Before bashing others, learn the truth? What the hell? The context was incest in general, not what do you think about incest in "this specific couple". If some people were forced into incest, I blame the ones who forced them. If some people voluntarily and willingly commit incest, I blame them.

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This is a question for the christians, can you please explain to me why you think incest is wrong, if you belive that the human race started with "adam and eve" then incest must have ocured at somepoint for us to be alive now

Whats wrong with japs and incest? This is like completely obscure in western stories but it comes up all the time in manga.

The worst thing is I don't think it's gross anymore. I enjoy manga with some onii-chan loveydovey in it Japan has twisted my mind and here I'm sitting reading smutty sibling love mangas and enjoying it

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The abrahamic religions shun incest. If you're a follower of said religions, you shun incest too. If you're just dragged along in them, you will probably have some feeling which says incest is wrong. Seeing as the abrahamic religions are the most dominant in the world, incest tends to be taboo. Society is built upon individuals, so yeah, it kind of works like tradition, you'll probably forget it's initial purpose.

Don't get me wrong, I shun incest in real life, but in fiction, anything goes, except shonen-ai/yaoi (for me that is)

What's wrong with japs and incest?

One theory is, to "get along" with target demographic, they make smutty incest stories, cos jap boys generally don't have GFs and smutty incest make 'em feel good 'bout having an imouto(or at least feel better about not having a GF).

(That was a joke)

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Personally, I don't care. I don't why a brother and sister can't fall in love with each other. I know it's morally wrong and a little wierd, but it should not be illegal. I don't understand that logic.

It's like Gay marriage... Why does it have to be illegal simply because someone thinks it's wrong?

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Don't the Japanese have a really low birthrate? That would imply that most people there don't have siblings, so they don't have an accurate perception of how it would be to have a sibling. o_o People who like incest usually don't have any siblings.

Mams is an exception. Bwaha!

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