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anyone who was put into a position like what eba just experienceed would have made the same descision out of guilt

lol speak for yourself.

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What a bad question to ask. you're going to get people exaggerating crap.

The thing with the motorcycle guy came off too forced for me to think it was the character, and not the writer, it basically pulled me out of the story with how forced it was.

I really didn't even think she was disliked til today but this is pretty serendipitous because I saw a youtube comment that made me start to think so. the video had nothing to do with Kimi, the guy mentions eba, and he/she even wrote the initials of the series so that everyone knew.

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I don't dislike eba too much even though she was stupid enough to leave haruto, but anyone who was put into a position like what eba just experienceed would have made the same descision out of guilt


I don't agree. That's like your wife leaving you for another man because she would feel guilty rejecting him. It's not normal to put the feelings of someone you like as a friend above the feelings of someone you love. The guy in the last post said it seemed forced, I agree with him. Her character completely changed. It took me out of the story too. Before, she was fun loving happy outgoing girl who went after what she wanted, but in Tokyo she was serious, down, and cold. It put a sour taste in my mouth and I haven't really enjoyed the story since then because you never know what kind of off the wall crap the author might throw out. Just like his last series.

Till this day, she has never explained why she did that and if I were Haruto I would still want to hear an explanation. But he's totally forgiven her. However, I don't know if you could ever really completely forgive someone for doing something like that.

When the manga 1st started and eba moved into Haruto's house, she made her feelings for him clear right off the bat. She even started that her goal was to be with him. She knew what she wanted and she went after it. Not only was she in love with him, but she had been in love with him for a long time. Haruto resisted her at every turn, but when her visit was about over, he gave in and they became a couple.

Now, a person that harbors a love for 8 years and then goes to all the trouble to move in with you just in order to be with you, is not the same kind of person that would move home and then start dating someone else without telling you. The author could of come up with many different ways to pull it off and make it more believable, but for some reason he didn't.

This must be popular in Japan since there making an Anime. It's also has 19 or so volumes so it must sell really well. I just don't understand why the Japanese public keeps shelling out money for poorly planned hard to believe drama. It just gauntertees that this type of bad writing will keep coming. It reenforces the idea that the writers don't have to put much effort into their stories and they can force any kind of drama in but as long as the art is good it will sell.

I have a hard time getting the words out to express how I really feel. Basically I'm just saying I wish the readers would stop buying stuff like this and force the writers to writer better and smarter stuff.

Even though I say all this, I still read this every week, but man it does piss me off.

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There is this rumour going around saying that humans... Make mistakes! Can you imagine...?! eek
So blaming Eba for anything is kinda selfish. Characters are there in the story to be understood, hating character just because he didn't act as you wanted is a bit silly.

I admit it saddens me a bit, that plot doesn't resonate with characters as good as it could, but what can we do? If urge to hate is too big, go for the author's laziness, but leave poor characters alone.

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If urge to hate is too big, go for the author's laziness, but leave poor characters alone.

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Why, because we'll hurt their feelings? roll eyes
Can't we just hate both?! laugh

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What if.. Seo Kōji is a paranoid computer genius. Genius, who from all the social pressure caused by drawing manga became a murderous psychopath, which caused the decline of quality in Kimi no Iru Machi, as the only goal he has in his mind is causing suffering to the people around him.
What if... He also lurks on the manga updates, looking for people who frown upon his work. And when he does find some , it's only a matter of time before their real location is found out. Then, in disguise, he travels to your country, rents a car with a fake name and travels to the place you live. There he patiently waits, eating only cheese while flushing it down with energy drinks. After, he waits till the sun has hidden behind horizon and everyone is asleep. Masked he then breaks into your living place to do evil deeds and shits all over the walls with all his might...

After his visit, feeling of emptiness will follow you through all you life... Always asking yourself... Why...? confused sad

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Also, if you're implying that being a lurker makes one a "computer genius"...then that makes most of us geniuses - which I highly doubt.

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How is Seo Kōji a lurker?

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Read through all that nonsense. Here's my take. I don't dislike Eba, but she's done some really stupid things. Start from the beginning.

Eba didn't steal Haruto from Nanami. Let's make one thing clear, the man is the one who ultimately makes the decision of which relationship to pursue. Haruto claimed to be focusing on Nanami, but with every opportunity that came up where he had to choose between Eba and Nanami, he chose Eba. That's his fault, not hers. I don't care if she's unreliable or whatever you wanna call it, if he didn't already subconsciously pick Eba over Nanami, he wouldn't have gone with Eba.

First example is the first trip to Tokyo. Yea, Eba was being selfish not wanting to get on the train. If I was in his situation, I would act like a man. Who is most important to me? If I preferred Eba over Nanami, I would go to Tokyo with her (like what happened). If Nanami is the one I wanted, I would have told Eba she needs to grow up and get on the train because I need to meet up with Nanami. It's not being mean, it's called not letting your emotions affect your judgment. He got on that train because Eba was more important to him then Nanami.

Next example was the summer festival. Nanami finally gets the courage to give Haruto her answer to his confession. Right when she's about to give the answer, everyone tells Haruto that they can't find Eba. He has an idea where she is, so he goes out to look for her. However, again, if Nanmi is the most important person to you, the best thing to do would be to tell everyone where Eba is probably at so you can get back to more pressing matters, listening to Nanami's answer. Again, Haruto chose to look for Eba instead, showing that Eba was more important to him.

Yes, Eba told Haruto she liked him and would be pursuing him. However, if Haruto really wanted to get with Nanami, then she could do all she wants, she wouldn't get him (kind of like what's going on now with every other girl who's shown interest in him). If anything Eba was being admirable towards the end of that. She thought that Haruto was still interested in Nanami and made a decision to support his pursuit of Nanami, even going so far as to spend more time with Kazami. Of course, by then, he had finally wised up realized he actually wanted Eba all along.

Now, there's the Kyousuke issue. Don't agree with what she did at all. Choosing to date a guy because he's dying is not the right thing to do, especially when you have a boyfriend you really care about. Not once during that whole situation did it seem like she started dating him because she loved him more than Haruto. Even Kyousuke said she looked all happy because she was telling stories about Haruto. She should have just turned him down and told him that he's very important to her, but not in that way. Kyousuke would have been happy if she just spent time with her as a friend because from what I've seen, that's all she acted like.

I can understand why she did it because Kyousuke was an important friend to her, but it was the wrong thing to do. And at the end, when she told Haruto they shouldn't see each other anymore, I thought that was the right thing to do. She was wrong for dumping Haruto like that, and even though she still loved him, she didn't deserve to be with Haruto, at the time.

Asuka. Never really liked the pairing. I think she's a cool character and all, but the pairing just seemed forced, and even though it was some time after breaking up with Eba, still looked like nothing more than a rebound. Then there's the whole Eba coming back into his life. As expected, Eba still had feelings for Haruto, and it became apparent that Haruto still harbored feelings for Eba, too.

When they got "tricked" into going on a date to that theme park, as the man in a relationship, he should have known better than to go along with her. Yea, she could have also made the same decision, but she's a woman driven by emotions. This isn't sexism. Men and women are programmed differently. Most women are driven by their emotional brain, while men are driven by their logical brain. There are exceptions to the rule, of course, but for the most part that's how people are. Even if Haruto really did just want to buy the phone ornament for Asuka (obvious excuse), he should have told Eba that it's not a good idea to go on this "date" concocted by Rin. Or better yet, just said bye. But he spent the time with Eba because he still wanted Eba.

Then there's the trip to Hiroshima, where Eba "stole" Haruto away from Asuka. Eba made the decision to no longer see Haruto once they returned to Tokyo. Even if she actually wanted Haruto to stop her (which he did), if Haruto was committed to Asuka and loved her over Eba, he would have said, "That's probably for the best" and continued his relationship with Asuka. Of course, Asuka was never really at the level that Eba was for him, so he chose to break it off with Asuka.

After that, when the s--- hit the fan, and the prospect of losing his friends was imminent, Eba earned the right to be his girlfriend again by sticking by him through what was goign to be a rough patch.

In conclusion, Eba made some really bad decisions (mostly the Kyousuke stuff). If she never got back together with Haruto, it would be her fault, and she would have to live with it. However, Haruto is the one who ultimately made every decision (beside the Kyousuke thing) that shaped the story it has become. You can blame Eba for the whole Kyouskue incident, and if that is enough to make you dislike her, that's fair. However, everything else that people seem to want to blame on Eba, that was ultimately Haruto's fault.

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I just caught up with the series after like a 2 year break, and I say fuck it! Haruto got that good-good already, whatever happens now its all good, shit is in past. Nobody is perfect although Seo Kouji is making things a little too sweet. No fucking way you just gonna end up friends again after some shit like that. But you know its a fictional story so screw it, I like happy endings anyways.

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