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alldark
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4:11 pm, Feb 12 2011
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What the f*ck is wrong with females in this manga? When author reveal the "Madam" story with all this father-daughter stuff, it slip as acceptable in some angle, but now Nozomu is also just bitch, who give birth to one child after another. When "humor" manga about otaku try to add some "drama", in the end its just become some "shit to sell".

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5:09 am, Feb 15 2011
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Maybe she has a fear of commitment. With these sudden plot twists I wouldn't be that surprising if the mangaka ended up pairing Kouta with Haruka which I'm hoping for. At least the rival is also flawed but I find cross dressing more disturbing than being an otaku.

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i prefer kouta to end up with nozomou....

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@Tenshi1900
This is not just "plot twist" anymore, for now it become "mangaka want money". smile Im not be surprised, if Nozomu have sex with Nichi too. Pairing with Haruka not bad.
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I prefer this ending in the beginning, when i think that series be less than 10 vol. Now i not sure what be in next ch, but i prefer if this little brother not blood related at least.

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now that i've read chapter 56, the only thing that can save this manga for me is that the brother is not bloodrelated. just like on kouta she skipped out on the other guy too, soo it isn't that clear if he's the father and by only hearing his side, i wouldn't even be so sure that he had sex with her.

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So, i read the ch56 and now thinking about change title from "WTF?!" to "WTF THIS SHIT?!!!". I mean Nicchi pretty nice say about it - from "beloved sempai" to "bitch". Its not even funny anymore.

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OH ma god! She had a child with another man... after the main character started COMPLETELY AVOIDING HER. She probably thought he loathed her, for what she did to him (rape the shy art boy, she might think). And even if she didn't, he was still avoiding her like the plague. It would be much more strange if she DIDN'T see somebody else.

Now, at the same time, it isn't really what I care to read. It seems a strange and unnecessary complication that will bring the manga off track, and I won't argue that it seems like a strategy to milk the series for more money.

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@x0mbiec0rp
I complain about this not coz its realistic or not, but coz in thise series its seems stupid, unrealistic and moneymilking. In first place this manga not shitting shoujo nor fucking drama.

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I complain about this not coz its realistic or not, but coz in thise series its seems stupid, unrealistic and moneymilking. In first place this manga not shitting shoujo nor fucking drama.

I buy unrealistic. Boy looks too close in age. Stupid... well, again, boy looks too close in age, and moneymilking? I've already agreed with that.

And why are there two men she had children with and left? The first time, it was Keita's fault. Why the second time? The biggest reason to have a child with another man so unbelievably soon would be to support the child she already has, but if she leaves him mysteriously, too, then it's pretty hard to rationalize.

But I was more countering your raging and calling nozomu a bitch. The series is taking a strange direction, and I may drop if there's a major plot shift, but it won't be because the character angered me by taking normal actions.

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@x0mbiec0rp
Nicchi say about "beloved sempai" and "bitch" (i hope you dont execute him for that). smile I raged not about Nozomu (be she bitch or not to be, though she dont complete normal for sure), but about all manga plot.

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the thing about unexpected plot twist is that they are unexpected. i think this whole thing is much more interesting than the whole shoujo-ish "we´ll be together froever". And nozomu is quite the indepented women, deciding to raise two children alone after 1.) the father and her were still in high school and 2.) the father had complications with his parents. i think it´s better to raise them alone then let them get bullied by other children and adults who are all part of japans "shame-society"

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@ShadowSakura
Unexpected and stupid, independent and insane not exactly the same thing. But this is my imho and i respect yours imho as well as im not going give up on mine.smile

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@x0mbiec0rp
I complain about this not coz its realistic or not, but coz in thise series its seems stupid, unrealistic and moneymilking. In first place this manga not shitting shoujo nor fucking drama.

I buy unrealistic. Boy looks too close in age. Stupid... well, again, boy looks too close in age, and moneymilking? I've already agreed with that.

And why are there two men she had children with and left? The first time, it was Keita's fault. Why the second time? The biggest reason to have a child with another man so unbelievably soon would be to support the child she already has, but if she leaves him mysteriously, too, then it's pretty hard to rationalize.

But I was more countering your raging and calling nozomu a bitch. The series is taking a strange direction, and I may drop if there's a major plot shift, but it won't be because the character angered me by taking normal actions.


Nozomi was the senpai..the older one..and the one that forced herself on Kouta. Instead of just letting Kouta shy away from her afterward, she should have been the mature one to connect with Kouta and talk to him..incessantly until he listened, if she had to. To explain to him why she did what she did..Kouta's own words show he didn't even know what the hell to make of it because of his immaturity.

Of course, Kouta's a guy..so no one wants to truly consider it from how he would have seen it. I bet it would have been different if the genders were reversed. The Nozomi-male would be getting flak for not taking responsibility for forcing himself on Kouta-female in a moment of desperate love/lust..then not clearing it up with her later even though she was the one to avoid him.

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I like Nozomou to be with Kouta

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@x0mbiec0rp
I complain about this not coz its realistic or not, but coz in thise series its seems stupid, unrealistic and moneymilking. In first place this manga not shitting shoujo nor fucking drama.

I buy unrealistic. Boy looks too close in age. Stupid... well, again, boy looks too close in age, and moneymilking? I've already agreed with that.

And why are there two men she had children with and left? The first time, it was Keita's fault. Why the second time? The biggest reason to have a child with another man so unbelievably soon would be to support the child she already has, but if she leaves him mysteriously, too, then it's pretty hard to rationalize.

But I was more countering your raging and calling nozomu a bitch. The series is taking a strange direction, and I may drop if there's a major plot shift, but it won't be because the character angered me by taking normal actions.


Nozomi was the senpai..the older one..and the one that forced herself on Kouta. Instead of just letting Kouta shy away from her afterward, she should have been the mature one to connect with Kouta and talk to him..incessantly until he listened, if she had to. To explain to him why she did what she did..Kouta's own words show he didn't even know what the hell to make of it because of his immaturity.

She felt she took advantage of him, and was afraid of the consequences so she didn't want to act first. She was only a high schooler, too, and nothing has shown her to have matured.

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Of course, Kouta's a guy..so no one wants to truly consider it from how he would have seen it. I bet it would have been different if the genders were reversed. The Nozomi-male would be getting flak for not taking responsibility for forcing himself on Kouta-female in a moment of desperate love/lust..then not clearing it up with her later even though she was the one to avoid him.

You think she didn't get the same flak from Nicchi? I think she did. Nicchi is Kouta's friend, did his best to cheer him up and talk him out of his slump. Nicchi is like a brother to Nozomi, and maintained contact even after she got pregnant. He knows both their personalities, and probably told Nozomi countless times that she should clear things up, that she broke Kouta (because she did, and he became on Otaku to cope), and that she hurt him. And she still ran away.

Wait... what were you trying to say? Are we just conversing, or are you saying Nozomi is bad? I didn't really see any sort of final conclusion...

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