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monkry
Post #487308
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7:46 am, Aug 5 2011
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wow great investigation! eek
maybe it's something that people do in internet, make two accounts where one is good, another's bad

or maybe it's not him?
I mean, If I were him, I've been known for mangafox, I won't register mangahere as myself
maybe I could borrow my friend's identity? smile wink grin


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archknight
Post #487309
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7:51 am, Aug 5 2011
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like leecher will give a shit about these stuff....most dont even care for scanlation and just wants their release

it really sad but true. really cant do much about it
there are really no way to counter this problem

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Post #487310 - Reply to (#487273) by Jigero
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7:59 am, Aug 5 2011
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You know here I was thinking Scanlators did their thing because they liked it and felt like being good Samaritans to help out other fans. But nope I guess all they care about in meager internet notoriety and bitching about sites that make money though processes that neither effect them nor their fans in anyway at all. Oh that's right you're only bitching about the money they're making because you're not making that money, Even though it's illegal....

So how do you combat this? You impose draconian rules, sink to childish threats, use annoying water marks, or force users to jump through hoops to get your releases. Which is all well and good, until you realize. All this does is piss off your loyal fans and have no affect on the people who break your rules and dodge your hoops (who are in the minority by the way and just will do it more out of spite.)

But I'll let you in on a little secret and it's sure fire way to avoid all this drama and is goes a little some thing like this " WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK!?" your doing this because your doing it for the fans right? so why the hell should you give a crap how fans enjoy your material, if's it's not hurting you or your fans in any way WHO CARES.

It's like giving a bum a dollar then getting pissed at how he spends the dollar. If you're getting all pissy at how fans are enjoying your work you're doing this for all the wrong reasons.



If Noez Group ( the scumbags behind Mangashares and Mangafox) were actually bums, it wouldn't be worth mentioning... but seen how the live (leech) of they scanlators and the Manga Industry's work to make $$$ from it is the real problem.

The only people who should make money from the Mangas are their authors and publishers, no one else, and surely not some people who actually do nothing but shamelessly making money out of other people work, they are even harming the scanlation groups by making them as a whole look like criminals only in for the cash.

They're in the end just a nuisance to scanlation in the same way as Tazmo... maybe even far worse than him.

Honestly, hope both these shitty sites (and any other related/belonging to Noez) just get shut down once and for all.

Nisseman
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You are just jelly because they earn more money than you by just having a webpage with ads where lotad of people go.
Im ok with mangafox because i mostly dont have to search 100 years trough a scanlator site for their older releases.
I see mf more like steam but for free manga.


woxxy
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8:14 am, Aug 5 2011
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A scanlator should be ashamed of not being able to give better service than mangafox.

Who can't provide better, shouldn't complain about mangafox.

It's difficult not to be able to provide better, since there's at least four manga readers that are open source and ridiculously easy to install.

>IRC is best way to download
>Online reading sucks
That's the dogmas that created manga readers. IRC is slower than HTTP, and browsers are the best way to consume media coming from the Internet.

Welcome to 2011. Where 95% to 98% readers reads online, and scanlators live still in 1999.

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Post #487316 - Reply to (#487291) by MewMan
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@Jigero and friends: i thought the problem here is that the respectful Mangafox and disrespectful Mangahere are of the same owner which makes people feel like they are deceived eek


^ great point,

But also, is it really so wrong for the owners of online readers to make money off the mangas? After all they are providing a service to all the readers by giving them a more convenient way to read manga. Personally I think that the scanlators should be getting a little dough for what they are doing too, but that doesn't mean the people behind the online readers aren't working hard too. Maybe not AS hard as the scanlators, but probably smarter if they are making money for it.

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Post #487319 - Reply to (#487316) by ColPowell
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But also, is it really so wrong for the owners of online readers to make money off the mangas? After all they are providing a service to all the readers by giving them a more convenient way to read manga. Personally I think that the scanlators should be getting a little dough for what they are doing too, but that doesn't mean the people behind the online readers aren't working hard too. Maybe not AS hard as the scanlators, but probably smarter if they are making money for it.


The admins behind online readers like mangafox aren't working hard. At all.
They're even using free workforce for moderation too, beside scanlators. And they disrespect their own moderators too.
They are giving terrible service, and disrespecting who provides them the material. They are pulling every trick to advertise themselves (see the fake rights notice under every mangafox page that states their URL), and trying to make out as much money as possible out of it.

They are even DDoSing.

That's right, MF attacks the servers of who talks badly about them and reveals their information:
http://foolrulez.org/blog/2011/03/mangafox-takedown/#commen t-54789

The amount of work a scanlator group does, is tenfold as large as the whole mangafox team work. And it takes much more skill to scanlate, too.

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Post #487320 - Reply to (#487273) by Jigero
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Quote from Jigero
You know here I was thinking Scanlators did their thing because they liked it and felt like being good Samaritans to help out other fans. But nope I guess all they care about in meager internet notoriety and bitching about sites that make money though processes that neither effect them nor their fans in anyway at all. Oh that's right you're only bitching about the money they're making because you're not making that money, Even though it's illegal....

So how do you combat this? You impose draconian rules, sink to childish threats, use annoying water marks, or force users to jump through hoops to get your releases. Which is all well and good, until you realize. All this does is piss off your loyal fans and have no affect on the people who break your rules and dodge your hoops (who are in the minority by the way and just will do it more out of spite.)

But I'll let you in on a little secret and it's sure fire way to avoid all this drama and is goes a little some thing like this " WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK!?" your doing this because your doing it for the fans right? so why the hell should you give a crap how fans enjoy your material, if's it's not hurting you or your fans in any way WHO CARES.

It's like giving a bum a dollar then getting pissed at how he spends the dollar. If you're getting all pissy at how fans are enjoying your work you're doing this for all the wrong reasons.

But, you know, it's really annoying when you work really hard to produce a scanlation, spend your time to make it perfect, while you could play games or do something else, and then someone just takes the product of your hard work and posts it on a site like mangafox, without even bothering to ask if they could do it, and often claims that it's they who did the scanlation, which is simply unfair. And people praise mangafox, saying that it's such a great site, there's so much manga there, while it's not mangafox who spends money and effort to give the manga to them.

To use your metaphor, it's as if you gave a bum a dollar, and there came another guy claiming that he was the one who did it and everyone started praising him and giving him money, while you are the one who is one dollar shorter, but nobody cares.

Scanlators are people too, and if they don't receive any financial profit from they work, they need at least appreciation, but they often don't get even this. I'm really happy that mangaupdates exists because this way I can easily find the scanlators' websites and thank them for their hard work directly.

VampireBanana
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9:57 am, Aug 5 2011
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Now, if only someone could take down those 2 sites...

That otakushop thing sounds more like they're trying to take after Russian or Chinese mob in terms of counterfeiting.

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10:12 am, Aug 5 2011
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alot of smaller scanlation groups have to pay everything out of their own pocket, from using raws that arnt on public share to non-free hosting sites to get online readers and such. so when a big online reader starts ripping the small scanlation groups and taking their credit page and such out, the group wont really be recognize at all, and sooner or later, they will give up and causing whatever series the group works on to be stalled.(people do get tired of providing stuff to assholes)



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10:31 am, Aug 5 2011
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The dont remove credits on mf and its free. So why all this crying? Do you really need people to tell you how they love you to make you feel better?

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Post #487329 - Reply to (#487328) by Nisseman
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10:34 am, Aug 5 2011
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Quote from Nisseman
The dont remove credits on mf and its free. So why all this crying? Do you really need people to tell you how they love you to make you feel better?


Err... Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the point of this thread to reveal that MangaFox is actually two-faced?

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Post #487331 - Reply to (#487328) by Nisseman
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Quote from Nisseman
The dont remove credits on mf and its free. So why all this crying? Do you really need people to tell you how they love you to make you feel better?


no they dont but mangahere does sometimes.

people do have to cry when their manga doesn't get release. i see that all the time. i just feel bad for all the smaller group out there, and people who pay out of their own pocket to provide something to the people that dont deserve it. and it really isnt going to change anytime soon, so there no use crying over that

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Post #487334 - Reply to (#487273) by Jigero
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Quote from Jigero
You know here I was thinking Scanlators did their thing because they liked it and felt like being good Samaritans to help out other fans. But nope I guess all they care about in meager internet notoriety and bitching about sites that make money though processes that neither effect them nor their fans in anyway at all. Oh that's right you're only bitching about the money they're making because you're not making that money, Even though it's illegal....

So how do you combat this? You impose draconian rules, sink to childish threats, use annoying water marks, or force users to jump through hoops to get your releases. Which is all well and good, until you realize. All this does is piss off your loyal fans and have no affect on the people who break your rules and dodge your hoops (who are in the minority by the way and just will do it more out of spite.)

But I'll let you in on a little secret and it's sure fire way to avoid all this drama and is goes a little some thing like this " WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK!?" your doing this because your doing it for the fans right? so why the hell should you give a crap how fans enjoy your material, if's it's not hurting you or your fans in any way WHO CARES.

It's like giving a bum a dollar then getting pissed at how he spends the dollar. If you're getting all pissy at how fans are enjoying your work you're doing this for all the wrong reasons.


U sure are a dick.

Can we make a 2nd holy crusade?

Zathuria
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1:03 pm, Aug 5 2011
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This is totally an eye-opener to those who usually don't care about what happens "behind the scenes" because sometimes people are like "What do I care? I just wanna read mah manga. =P" and they don't realize what happens in the sites, the scanlators and so on.

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