LOL QFT.

Someone sounds like he's a rabid MF fanboy.

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I'm just showing how ignorant and inane all the scanlators arguments are and just how irrational they are being.


Every argument I've seen on here boils down to one of these.

"THINK OF THE MANGAKA!" if you truly care about the mangaka's well being, why are you a scanlator? don't be some half assed jerk who pretends to defend some one while stabbing them in the back.

"BUT THEIR MAKING MONEY OFF SCANLATIONS!" should we stop using file sharing, or server hosting services too?, because they effectively making money off scanlations as well.

"BUT THEY MESS WITH THE QUALITY!" end user problem not yours.

"BUT PEOPLE FROM MANGAFOX ARE MEAN TO ME" so ignore them.


But I'm the bad guy and a dirty leecher just because I say "well if your gonna do it do it right and if you don't wanna do it, then quit don't do some thing you don't like doing."



Do you just read two lines then just start posting or what? Because you consistently just come off ignorant. I'm not saying MF isn't shit, I'm saying just because MF is doesn't mean you need to go cry baby emo kid and punish your fans for it.

Oh I see I must be a troll and affiliated with MF because I different opinion then you.



So wait you rather them take you down instead of mangafox? Scanlator logic is supreme today.



Oh I wouldn't know I don't read your releases. Most of my stuff comes from Scanlators who don't pull that kind off or or care to.

and No you do care because if you didn't you wouldn't bother arguing with me or complaining about MF, you just want to fill that desperate need for internet attention from anonymous people who will never know you in real life.



Uh again thanks for proving my point. They are aren't crying about places like mangafox they are crying about scanlators in general IE: YOU



I understand it's hard work, I use Photoshop 16 hours a day, but I'm just pointing out, just because the work is hard that doesn't mean it's impossible for any one to relate or understand it even if they don't do it them selves.

Oh totally not. I'm actually respecting them a lot. I'm just saying that they will keep continuing scanlating.
The reason I will laugh is that most people that scream "Just stop it" are the male audience who mostly read shounen. So when the handful group of shoujo are the only one left it will make me laugh because it will be the shounen audience crying. Plus it would look funny too.

/me remembers the days of hana yori dango was being scanlated....cuz he's oooold xD

So in no way am I disrespect groups that even use time to redraw the sfx in contrast to shounen groups who refuse to redraw those.

PS: The maker of The Breaker was complaining about the scanlations because he found it on mangafox, he didn't know it was being done before people in korea told him about mangafox...go figure, lol.

Sorry if I'm interrupting something
I red almost all posts (sorry if I missed something) and I think you guys can just not use mangafox. Ofc if someone want to use it I have nothing against him - it's personal choice
I just hope that some angry guy (like me) or even a group of guys will go and mess a bit with Mangafox (DDoSing and all hacking stuff is quite popular nowadays)
And about the mangaka - if they have something against scans they can do whatever they want - its not like we can stop them from doing so


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and yet scanlators still scanlate his stuff, not one but two groups actually. You guys sure do care.

Never said he didn't care about the money. What I'm saying is that he just uploads manga for free reading (without download). It doesn't matter about a few ads. Mangafox, is one of the few sites that it doesn't take too long to load manga to read. If you are reading manga online, then you are also partly to blame. Besides he needs some money in order to keep the site alive. Not everything out there is free you know. Ads are an harmless way to earn some money while providing an FREE service for us all. Besides can't anyone just choose to ignore the ads when they wanted to? Besides, if you think it's an scam, then just choose not to read it.

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Jigero:
"Nope I'm not a true fan, not for scanlators like T1 anways" -- you're not a true fan of any scanlator. If you claim that you're a fan only of scanlators that share your point of view, then you're a fan of yourself. The only fan, too.

"See now here's the logical fallacy no one is being a taken advantage of, being taken advantage of requires person A to lose some thing at the cost of person B's gain." -- you missed my last lecture on the value of fairness in a human society. You should go back and re-read it. The rape of fairness is a very tangible and painful loss to any decent member of the society (in this case, the manga scanlation community). It's connected to the way humans have evolved as a social species. Although if you start claiming that it's fair when A does all the work and B gets all the profit, I'll be very amused.

"Also Scanlators are the last people to be complaining about taking advantage of people seeing as how their entire hobby revolves around taking advantage of a person." -- this is a significant misunderstanding on your part. a) Scanlators don't believe that they're taking advantage of the mangaka. They believe that they're helping the mangaka by spreading the word. When it comes to the issue of fairness, scanlators believe that they are being fair because it's not a for profit activity for them. b) If scanlators are mistaken in their view of their work (which I doubt they are), and are informed by the mangaka in question, they will immediately cease their activities. The mangaka's will is absolute. Now please try explain how this is similar to MF? Will you claim that MF honestly believes it's helping scanlators? Will you claim that MF will take down a series if requested by a scanlator?

"like I said if you're just gonna quit over some thing so stupid, then go for it, I'm not forcing you or requesting you no to." -- human beings are animals who will make personal sacrifices to punish perceived unfairness. That's how they enforce social harmony. And that's why they're at the top of the food chain. Whoever doesn't feel it is a mutant and a burden on society.

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/me ignores the troll who seems to know shit about watermarks...sigh...



Yes, readers can stop using it but we scanlators seem to have no choice in having our releases uploaded there. When the scanlators ask them to take down their releases they give them the finger.

I haven't been at mangafox yet to ask them to take our releases down yet because they do uphold the 3 days delay we asked for. Though I will be asking them to take them down now after I found out that mangahere = mangafox. I had just been out and screaming about mangahere was crap while mangafox were nice people only to find this information. I find it totally disgusting that someone shows that they are upholding the rule for 3 days and then on the other side are aggressively giving a shit about it on their other site.

Seems you're the one who can't read a single word- my username. It was my only post. I never cried about MF.

Also, my guess that you're affiliated with MF(or are a troll) comes from the fact that you keep saying stuff like scanlators are evil.
You see, evil means morally bad. So folks like mangastream may be considered evil, since by estimates they earn an amount comparable to MF, but the absolute rest aren't.
How can scanlators who work on (mostly) un-licensed series be morally wrong? Sure, those who scanlate licensed stuff are, arguably, morally wrong, but the amount of licensed stuff is quite small when compared to the number of unlicensed series scanlated.

Nice sudo-philosophy there, did ya get that out of a fortune cookie? I'm a fan of them because they do good work and don't start crusades for no reason other then to further their internet notoriety while disguising it in some pretentious hypocritical asshattery to make them self feel righteous.



WAIT WHAT!? BAWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That's literally the dumbest thing I heard all day. How can you be a decent member of society when your whole ideal is about being a determent to an actual decent member of society.



What you believe and what is fact is two different things, Last time I checked neither Publishers nor Mangakas think your helping in any way and only hurting and taking advantage of them.



Do all scanlators stop scanlating when mangakas ask them to stop?



It's like getting a lecture on consensual sex from a rapist.

I do not. I'm not a masochist.


Average monthly costs to maintain a large website is about $800-$1.6k. If he's really earning as much as OP says he does, then he's earning enough money to maintain the site for about three months....in a day. That's an approximate 6000% daily profit.
Harmless you say?
Morality aside, in the end, the mangaka loses, the scanslators get used, and your hero wins.
Yep, totally harmless.

P.S - Please learn how to use "an" properly.

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There is nothing wrong with being evil if I thought so then I wouldn't be reading scans now would I? But they are an evil, the people who make and publish these manga don't like them, so lets stop wrapping our selves up in pretentious ideals here. You can claim all day your not harming the mangaka but if the mangaka says you are, you probably are, and even if you really aren't distressing the mangaka is justifiable enough to see you as an evil.

and No I'm not affiliated with MF, you can get them shut down for all I care, I'm just tried of Scanlators punishing fans for what MF does. If they can come up with a way to get it shut down with out pissing off people who don't actually use MF then I'm all for it, have at it, but they have yet to do anything but cry and throw tantrums.

Okay, what? Just because someone doesn't like us, doesn't mean we're EVIL. The mangaka says we're harming them, but are we really? We're not, in fact, we're helping them get more popular so when it DOES get licensed, people may actually want to buy it. Just because the mangaka says or the publisher says so, doesn't mean it's true. The only time a scanlator really harms a mangaka's earnings is when their manga is licensed in English, and then we are harming them financially, but it is most group's policy to drop the manga once it's licensed in English, because there is no point anymore. The thing that harms the mangaka the most is sharing Japanese raws, but I don't see anyone calling the raws distribution sites evil? And also, "distressing the mangaka makes us evil," if we make someone cry, does that make us evil? No, sure, it may make us mean, but evil? Choose your words wisely. And if one group doesn't drop the manga once it's licensed or is asked to by the mangaka, doesn't make the whole group of scanlators "evil." And some mangaka actually support scanlations, look at 1/2 Prince, the group actually contacted the mangaka and the mangaka gave them their support.

As for MF, not everyone is going to stop releasing until MF gets shut down, hell, it was just a proposal. The purpose of this thread was to INFORM people, if you see crying and tantrums, then so what? We are being used, we can't even rant about it? Do us all a favor and gtfo.

I'm out of this thread, this is getting ridiculous.

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Sorry, I couldn't stop laughing. Isn't the ultimate punishment for fans of a series when there's a tard, who got tired of us "punishing" fans of a series, decide to tell us that we should just stop scanlating making that series die out?

If you never cared about mangafox you would just have stayed away from this convo but instead you have been discussing with many of the people on this thread who are scanlators for many scanlations groups. You've giving them the impression that they should just stop because the readers are like you, tired of this shit over and over and just want it to end.

The solution for you is not be stopping the logging to mangafox but by stopping us from scanlating and letting the titles die.

I already decided to stop because you opened my eyes. That's like 13 titles out of what 200? 300? Now if there's others who feel the same then the count will just go up. Great way to talk on the readers behalf, lol. I told you before and I will tell you again...you really need to work on your gift of speech.

PS: Like I said to the mod who talked about cheating. Being evil is bad. That's the first step to corruption. I found out why you aren't getting it MFdude...it's because you find evil normal. We don't, we got a line you shouldn't cross. A line we all find mangafox crossing on the most crude way.

PPS: You know you told me that I was calling you cute names...you should check how you are calling people rapists and so on....you are indeed a sad troll D:

I'll just post my personal experience to enlight people like Jigero who doesn't seems to understand a lots of thing... So sorry if I miss the point.

Between the cost of the raws, I buy 2 of every tank (1 for scan and 1 to keep) and the cost of my website, I easily crossed a several hundreds of euros (in less then 4 month) spent and from wich most of will profit for the mangaka (20x2 tank = quite a bit). Of course, all come from my personal fund.

My team had to switch to a free forum to a personal one (cost a lot) because almost every comment from our leecher where "you sonova bitch what's with those intrusive ads?!"
But maybe we should have said fuck off and not tryied to follow our fans will...

What I do and what I think should be done by every scanlator is to TL to a language where the manga isn't yet published and remove the release as soon as it gets licensed.
Remember that our main aim is to share mangas we love to the most people wich would never even have heard of it without our "work".

As for the Mangafox/Mangahere problem, they earns thousands daily for stuff that are mainly already available in english in your common library while not investing more than a (really)tiny part in it. I don't really care but if I feel something from it then maybe I'm a bit jealous but that's not the object.
Mangaka lose from it, and a lot. Trying to prove the opposite is plain dumb.
While with spreading the mangaka's work (scanlation), he'll be known before even being published in foreign country. Isn't that the best free advertizing ever ? and without the mangaka paying anyone! (I don't ask for thanks from him, if the mangaka ask for a stop of our activities, I'll abide)

What isn't fair is to reduce the quality of our work by compressing pics several time, it's plainly shitting on our work. Even more when you don't respect a plain delay for the release or remove our credit.

Now, do you see where is the wrong ?

ps: If I earned as much as MF, I could put in action my project of giving, as a gift, tanks from Boichi after some kind of contest.