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Cool~ Thanks for clarifying it. I got nothing to add, lol.

i believe you're referring to my post where i states it's legal to create translations. and to the post before me where the author has the right to authorize translations.

there's a distinction to be made, the author has the right to authorize translations ie he can pay someone to do so, but he cannot prevent someone from doing it of their own free will. thus technically yes, the translator can enforce his copyright by his own accord. however, because the primes of the translation would be for entertainment distribution it wouldn't be given much heed, especially with the cost of obtaining the prof of infringement and damages. that is one reason why companies are buying translations for vn's rather than just taking them, ie they have the right of translation and distribution.

Boycotting will not work. The reading (leeching) community is simply way too big, stupid, lazy, and ignorant to anything that will stop them from getting their daily dose of drugs (manga). What you should consider doing, is have all the scanlation groups, or as many as possible, boycott scanlating manga until this issue is resolved. You don't need to put it into the hands of the mass retarded (leeching community). Put it into your own hands.

LOL. mass retarded. But sadly, your right, a HUGE majority are retarded.
that might work... but getting all the groups involved would be difficult.

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I'm one of those people who excessively uses mangafox and other manga reader sites... simply because they're very easy to access. I don't have to download anything which is usually the case with scanlation websites. Something happened with my computer a long time ago and I'm not able to download anything. I do feel bad that they put so much work into giving us a manga in a quick amount of time, however... what they're doing is illegal too, if I'm correct, scanlation groups are done by people who took time out of their own life to do this. I read on one scanlation site that it was something of a hobby. If your translating a manga, it's going to be read anyways whether its on their site or a reader site. In the end, it's the mangaka that's really losing money. At the same time, I don't want the manga to be kept from public domain... I know that is very selfish, but I've always been in the gray area when it comes to copyright issues. I know its bad, but people do this kind of thing all the time. I got into an argument with my friend the other day on illegally downloading free music when they had downloaded an illegal free movie all the time. With the internet these days, it's easier to have things become public domain, it's hard to keep more abstract things like manga, books and music as private property... well maybe not exactly private property but in any case something like that. I think with these kinds of things, you'd want (well maybe not want but it'd certainly be flattering) people so desperate to see your work they'd resort to piracy and other such means. If you keep these things from public domain and they have been translated by companies like Del Ray and Tokyo Pop, then what's the point in making them if it's not for money? Yeah it sucks that the person who rightfully deserves that revenue isn't getting it. I would be annoyed. But it also annoys me when people aren't willing to show their work because they're afraid of other people stealing it. Scanlation groups work hard to translate but they did not write or draw that manga. The best part of their work is that they made it available to people whether they read it on their site or another's. I'm probably wrong though. I'm not a mangaka, a scanlation group, or a corporation. I'm just another reader whose computer sucks so bad it can't even download the programs that would allow me to download a scanlated manga. Maybe they all have pretty good access to the mangas in question (especially if they wrote them), but I don't. Perhaps I sound whiny (which I have a feeling I do) but I wouldn't be so upset over a manga reader site closing that I'd buy a computer that can download files.

that won't really work. the online reader will still live long after the scanlation team stopped/ boicoting because people will still go there to read, even if there's nothing new. the scanlation team however may be dead with such boycott. team may break out and member loss their motivation to do scanlation anymore. publishers may take this chance to push for formalized tranlslations and thus killed off scanlation

just send them the virus or ddos them

You would hope that fans of manga would care enough to buy the manga where possible. In an ideal world, the fans would support the artist.

This isn't the ideal world though, manga is just like music, films, tv series, books... any other form of mass entertainment. People are selfish. They aren't willing to sacrifice their entertainment when it's so readily available.

Now, there are many reasons people do steal from the artists - money probably being the main drive, but a lack of availability and ease are also factors - but the fact is, it happens all over the world, in every area of entertainment and the power of the internet makes it damn near impossible to police. A boycott would never work, because there will always be someone around to fill in the gap.

Yes it is wrong, No, it is not fair, and yes, people should be less selfish, but that's life. People who care will buy, and people who don't won't. That's never going to change.

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I understand what youre saying, but whereas scanlation is in the gray area ( there is a law that says if something isnt copyrighted in your country you can translate as long as you dont profit from it) Mangafox, etc. sites turn it completely illegal and give us a bad name. Scan groups try to bring popularity to certain series and have no other motivation. Its so ironic, that if fans like you dont stop using mangafox, publishers will wipe out scanlation groups and then you will no longer have anything to read (except for the select few series that get published). In the end, you are contributing to bringing down the community. which is sad.

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then... what do you propose I do? Use the money I am earning for college to buy manga? Look, I realize that's kind of selfish of me to think like that but... Libraries always have manga that I've already read; they don't have a great selection like their novels. I'll stop reading on manga readers if I am convinced enough... but then the only time I hear about great manga is from manga readers and the scanlation groups that provide them. If I stop contributing to "bringing down the community" like you said, then I feel as though as should give up reading manga anyways. Either way, soon I won't be able to read manga either because a publishing company is going to wipe out all the scanlation groups or I'll just do without manga because... I really cannot afford to buy anything that isn't a necessary grocery. Lol I suppose this is what everyone talks about when they said they stopped being able to read manga once they got to college. *relcutant sigh* I really love manga. Reading it is one of my favorite past times... Yes, sometimes scanlation groups won't have it as a download link but I've rarely come across that. So, essentially. This sucks. Really sucks. Well, oh well. I'll stop (and that includes grumbling).

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The problem with this idea is that is extremely difficult to limit the availability of these if you're offering them to fans at all.

Oh, and mangafox is evil. They make money off their site, which, I'm sorry, but that crosses so many lines in the unspoken ethics of scanlators that it just makes me have no respect for them. I guess those ethics are gone these days, though, given what I've seen in the way of fan-entitlement and such.

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Just download from the group's website instead of reading online if you really want to keep reading scanlations. Nobody told you to not read scanlated manga.

Back a few years ago, you'd do just that- go on the group's site and download chapters/full volumes. It's honestly not that hard to do.

And aggregator sites are a legitimate threat, both to the publishing companies, and ironically, to scanlators themselves. Publishing companies used to kind of look the other way when scanlations were brought up, in fact, I recall some companies saying they used to look at scanlations to see what was in demand, but now aggregator sites are so huge that they realize if they try to put out or license a series that's available as a scanlation, it's more than likely going to be on mangafox, so they won't be able to sell any copies if it's rampantly available everywhere online for free, even if the fan translation is a terrible quality compared to the English print edition.

So yeah, aggregator sites are bad for everybody- not just the companies that make money, but the fandom and scanlation community. The only people winning are leechers and the kids making oodles of money off mangafox.

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Nope. To much work to download scanlations on my phone instead of using my mango app.

Japanzai is starting to put watermark on all of their releases.
and will only upload to batoto online reader which supports scanlators.

so what's going to happen to mangafox and mangahere? well I don't know. but mangahere's attempt to put out their own version of Btooom 25, speaks for itself.

Once you put something on the internet it's there and you no longer have any power over it=you can't control the distribution of the things you put on the internet.
It's sad, but true. Even if we release only on our online reader I'm sure there will be people willing to save page by page just to have this shared.
A good thing about "distributors" is that it does give us more popularity. Enlist they don't erase our credits and recruitments [most of them]. I won't go and point at Mangafox or any other site like that since 80% of our staff found us through those sites. I do admit I'm not happy they don't respect our rules but even if we say: don't share our work anymore I'm sure nothing will change.

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omg did i just see Dragon Fly Scans on the release page?
such group actually exists?

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